In the early days of the Interwebs, Windows PCs were pretty primitive compared with today's systems. If the date was not set by the user, or had been corrupted in CMOS (i.e. due to a dead battery) and not restored by the user, Windows used a default of Jan 1, 1980. Any mail composed under those conditions would have had a date in January 1980. Modern PCs and Windows use internet time servers to keep their clocks set correctly, I believe. So this is usually no longer an issue. John On May 30, 2013, at 18:33, Christina Hunt wrote: > This got asked on one of my lists...Why are there a couple of posts from the > early 1980's and then a 10 gap. I have noticed it, but since someone wondered > aloud, I thought I would ask. > > Christina >

I just, very reluctantly, began management of the Hightower DNA project. It had been abandoned years ago and wasn’t being used at all. I didn’t realize that the list manager got emails from FFDNA about every match. It occurs to me that it might be helpful to post some of the matches onto the Hightower mail list but I don’t know if this is acceptable. Is it? Joyce Gaston Reece

>> list pig wrote << >> Writing to listmaster@rootsweb.com is far more productive, even if it takes multiple emails. << I had a problem with some junk mail getting through to one of my lists and wrote the Help Desk. ONE e-mail and within an HOUR the e-mail had been removed and I received a notice for the same. This was during the day, midweek which may have helped. Thanks Rootsweb nice doing business with you. Frederick M. Dittmar Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73070 Board Member - OKOLHA - http://www.okolha.net List Administrator for 68 mail lists. 5 NE-Ghost Towns / 13 Oklahoma- / 16 Texas / 3 Plymouth / /10 & 3 Family Surnames / 6 Miscellaneous / Canadian - 12 Province & Territories Ghost Towns lists.

(In response to Mary Richardson): Please do not ask your fellow admins to mailbomb customer service for you. You have a problem which you know is a technical problem. Therefore you know that your fellow list admins CANNOT fix your problem. Repeatedly bringing the problem back to this list is not a constructive way to seek a solution. I understand that you are frustrated, but trying to get other admins to either harass customer service on your behalf or trying to raise the level of discontent among admins isn't going to win you any friends among RootsWeb paid staff, and won't hasten a fix. Writing to listmaster@rootsweb.com is far more productive, even if it takes multiple emails.

Maggie Hein wrote: > Lainee, > > yes, of course I checked the junk mail folder. I'm not stupid. I don't believe Lainee was suggesting you were stupid.. It's something that can easily be overlooked. There's no way anyone else can know what you have or have not done unless you say. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I've mentioned several times over the last few months that my list's list mode has been broken since mid-January. Yes, you read right...over five months :-( We've been in the hands of Rootsweb engineers since February, but no solution is in sight...at least not that we know of 'cause the help desk only says, "It's being worked on." Good grief! Hope your list never needs big help. The ramifications are annoying, frustrating, and downright tricky. You have to manage your list carefully to prevent wholesale unsubs, and once you put everyone in digest mode to keep your list alive, your archives become a mess. I would have been hard-pressed to manage this without help -- I'm not a solo admin, and I can't say enough good about not going solo when you have an active list and have to deal with a problem. I'm lucky to have not just one but two assistant admins whose ISPs are different from mine, who help us cover many time zones for a list that has international tentacles, and who provide valuable feedback and insight. We've never run our list differently -- it makes a world of difference when you're trying to unravel list problems. Nonetheless, the three of us can no longer tackle our broken list mode problem alone. We need your help. At one point, ENG-WILTSHIRE and INDIA admins thought they might have the same problem. I don't know if their problems were resolved. Regardless, can you help us? I've been stone-walled every time I've tried to reach past the help desk to Rootsweb or Ancestry managers. Ancestry even had the nerve to tell me they have no way to reach Rootsweb! This has happened to my list, but it could just as well have been your list. Please help my list by writing the Rootsweb help desk: listmaster@rootsweb.com. I suggest something to this effect, but please feel free to elaborate: I'm a Rootsweb list administrator. I've been disturbed by news that SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE's list mode has been broken since mid-January. I don't want this to happen to my list. Please do everything you can to fix this problem before it infects my list. This is the closest I can come to social networking since Ancestry eschews it. Thanks for helping us out. Since I can't see what you write to the help desk, please let me know what you posted. All support is greatly appreciated. MANY THANKS -- Mary At 05:14 PM 5/26/2013, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >... >In a message dated 5/26/2013 4:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: >I'm an Earthlink user. Because list mode is still broken for my list >(SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE), I have all my listers subbed in digest mode with >digests set to go out daily.

I was so hoping you'd happened upon something that's killed our list mode for so long. SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE trudges on :-( At 07:27 PM 5/26/2013, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >So much for that theory then...I misunderstood you. I thought you >said you shifted all your list members to digest mode because the >digests came through but not any list mail. > >Sorry to have added confusion to the mess. ;) > >Joan > > >>Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:03:02 -0400 >>To: LISTOWNERS >>From: Mary Richardson <mrichson@ix.netcom.com> >>Subject: Re: [LO] Not Receiving Rootsweb Mail >>Cc: Joan Young, Crawford MacKeand, Bruce McDowall >> >>Joan, I don't think I'm following you, but I think I wasn't clear >>-- sorry. Earthlink was NOT letting digests through -- at least to >>my knowledge. I knew there was a problem because anything that's >>sent to my admin address -- including digests -- should be rerouted >>to my Earthlink address. During this most recent >>Earthlink-Rootsweb kerfuffle, I wasn't receiving digests...or >>pending requests...or sub/unsub notifications. My gmail address, >>which is also subbed in digest mode, was receiving the digests that >>I was missing otherwise, so I added it as an asst. admin to pick up >>the admin emails that I wasn't getting. Worked like a charm. >> >>Mary >> >>P.S. Just to be clear...I have three addresses. My Earthlink >>address remains subbed in list mode, so I can detect when our >>broken list mode problem is fixed. My backup gmail address >>receives digests. My admin address is subbed in digest mode, so >>since it's linked to my Earthlink address, I should receive >>digests, pending requests, and subs/unsubs at my Earthlink address. >> >> >>At 05:14 PM 5/26/2013, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >>>This might be a good clue as to the reason Earthlink is trashing >>>LIST messages as spam while letting digests come through. They are >>>not blocking RootsWeb as such but possibly blocking mail coming >>>FROM RootsWeb with an individual's email address as the sender. >>> >>>Joan >>> >>>In a message dated 5/26/2013 4:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: >>>I'm an Earthlink user. Because list mode is still broken for my list >>>(SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE), I have all my listers subbed in digest mode with >>>digests set to go out daily.

So much for that theory then...I misunderstood you. I thought you said you shifted all your list members to digest mode because the digests came through but not any list mail. Sorry to have added confusion to the mess. ;) Joan In a message dated 5/26/2013 7:04:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: Joan, I don't think I'm following you, but I think I wasn't clear -- sorry. Earthlink was NOT letting digests through -- at least to my knowledge. I knew there was a problem because anything that's sent to my admin address -- including digests -- should be rerouted to my Earthlink address. During this most recent Earthlink-Rootsweb kerfuffle, I wasn't receiving digests...or pending requests...or sub/unsub notifications. My gmail address, which is also subbed in digest mode, was receiving the digests that I was missing otherwise, so I added it as an asst. admin to pick up the admin emails that I wasn't getting. Worked like a charm. Mary P.S. Just to be clear...I have three addresses. My Earthlink address remains subbed in list mode, so I can detect when our broken list mode problem is fixed. My backup gmail address receives digests. My admin address is subbed in digest mode, so since it's linked to my Earthlink address, I should receive digests, pending requests, and subs/unsubs at my Earthlink address.

Joan, I don't think I'm following you, but I think I wasn't clear -- sorry. Earthlink was NOT letting digests through -- at least to my knowledge. I knew there was a problem because anything that's sent to my admin address -- including digests -- should be rerouted to my Earthlink address. During this most recent Earthlink-Rootsweb kerfuffle, I wasn't receiving digests...or pending requests...or sub/unsub notifications. My gmail address, which is also subbed in digest mode, was receiving the digests that I was missing otherwise, so I added it as an asst. admin to pick up the admin emails that I wasn't getting. Worked like a charm. Mary P.S. Just to be clear...I have three addresses. My Earthlink address remains subbed in list mode, so I can detect when our broken list mode problem is fixed. My backup gmail address receives digests. My admin address is subbed in digest mode, so since it's linked to my Earthlink address, I should receive digests, pending requests, and subs/unsubs at my Earthlink address. At 05:14 PM 5/26/2013, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >This might be a good clue as to the reason Earthlink is trashing >LIST messages as spam while letting digests come through. They are >not blocking RootsWeb as such but possibly blocking mail coming FROM >RootsWeb with an individual's email address as the sender. > >Joan > >In a message dated 5/26/2013 4:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: >I'm an Earthlink user. Because list mode is still broken for my list >(SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE), I have all my listers subbed in digest mode with >digests set to go out daily.

This might be a good clue as to the reason Earthlink is trashing LIST messages as spam while letting digests come through. They are not blocking RootsWeb as such but possibly blocking mail coming FROM RootsWeb with an individual's email address as the sender. Joan In a message dated 5/26/2013 4:08:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: I'm an Earthlink user. Because list mode is still broken for my list (SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE), I have all my listers subbed in digest mode with digests set to go out daily.

I'm an Earthlink user. Because list mode is still broken for my list (SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE), I have all my listers subbed in digest mode with digests set to go out daily. That's how I know when the Rootsweb-Earthlink squabble started. Admins might want to advise their Earthlink subscribers to catch up on missing posts by reviewing messages that were archived between 18 and 25 May. Many thanks to everyone who spent so much time resolving the problem with Earthlink. While this was going on, I subbed a non-Earthlink address as an asst. admin on my list, so I wouldn't miss more admin messages. I've decided to leave that address subbed, so I can detect future fallouts between Earthlink and Rootsweb. Mary Richardson At 08:23 AM 5/26/2013, "Lainee Denton-Jones" <lainee wrote: >Margaret, > >Not sure how long this has been going on, but sounds to me like it was close >to a week if Earthlink subscribers were bouncing off. This tells me that >some Earthlink subscriber, somewhere, on one of the many, many lists at >Rootsweb (and it only takes one) marked some Rootsweb email as spam rather >than just deleting it...even though mail coming through with just a link and >no subject line is spam, if it comes through Rootsweb servers but a >subscriber marks it as spam, then that Rootsweb server will be blocked, >typically for 7 days. > >Lainee > >-----Original Message----- >From: Margaret L. Sopp >Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:16 AM >To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [LO] Not Receiving Rootsweb Mail > >Hooray! It appears that the problem has been resolved. I received several >Rootsweb Digests overnight to my Earthlink address. > >Thanks to those Earthlink subscribers, like Maggie Hein, who spent untold >time on the phone with Earthlink. > >Margaret

Lainee, yes, of course I checked the junk mail folder. I'm not stupid. Maggie On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Lainee Denton-Jones <lainee@earthlink.net>wrote: > Have you checked the junk mail folder on the webmail at Earthlink.net? > > Lainee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret L. Sopp > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:09 PM > To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LO] Not Receiving Mail - follow up > > > Deloris Williams, thank you for responding. > > I am reading the Listowners messages in the Archives. > > And, yes, I checked the List Archives to the Lists and there are posts > there. > > In fact, I realized I was not receiving Rootsweb mail because I posted a > message yesterday and another today and neither came to my mailbox as they > normally do. So that's when I looked in the Archives for that List. > > As I am the administrator of that particular List, I was able to check the > subscribers and I am still subscribed. > > Something must be up between Earthlink and Rootsweb. I recall years ago > there was an Earthlink and Ancestry thing. It continued for a long time > (months and months) and I spoke to both Earthlink and Ancestry reps > multiple times and of course each said it was the other's fault. Ugh! > > Margaret > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You guys have all been so nice. Here is what I was trying to send to my three lists. It is free for a few more days. Now to check and see if it went through to them. B I was just watching a really interesting webinar on using Google for genealogy. You can watch it free for a week <http://www.familytreewebinars.com/archived_webinars.php>http://www.familytreewebinars.com/archived_webinars.php it is the one for today, 5/24/13. I knew some of it. A third? I do have Google alerts but think I will go in and add the ~genealogy. I have used ~genealogy for searches but didn't put it on my alerts. I did take a few notes. Barbara

Thanks to whoever, whatever has happened. I am guessing Earthlink's fault BECAUSE I send out a list of links to free or mostly free Kindle books everyday and I found out this morning my daughter didn't get it yesterday and I sent it early Saturday, 12:35 PM PDT Barbara >Hooray! It appears that the problem has been resolved. I received several >Rootsweb Digests overnight to my Earthlink address. > >Thanks to those Earthlink subscribers, like Maggie Hein, who spent untold >time on the phone with Earthlink. > >Margaret

Margaret, Not sure how long this has been going on, but sounds to me like it was close to a week if Earthlink subscribers were bouncing off. This tells me that some Earthlink subscriber, somewhere, on one of the many, many lists at Rootsweb (and it only takes one) marked some Rootsweb email as spam rather than just deleting it...even though mail coming through with just a link and no subject line is spam, if it comes through Rootsweb servers but a subscriber marks it as spam, then that Rootsweb server will be blocked, typically for 7 days. Lainee -----Original Message----- From: Margaret L. Sopp Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:16 AM To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Not Receiving Rootsweb Mail Hooray! It appears that the problem has been resolved. I received several Rootsweb Digests overnight to my Earthlink address. Thanks to those Earthlink subscribers, like Maggie Hein, who spent untold time on the phone with Earthlink. Margaret

Hooray! It appears that the problem has been resolved. I received several Rootsweb Digests overnight to my Earthlink address. Thanks to those Earthlink subscribers, like Maggie Hein, who spent untold time on the phone with Earthlink. Margaret

JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Charani- > > While you are correct about gmail...this is actually a MailMan "feature" in > that listowners-l is set to reply to sender. So in order to reply to the > sender and the list you must hit REPLY ALL. MailMan spots duplicate copies > and removes the list copy so that it isn't sent in these cases no matter > whether gmail is involved or not. As you wish. However, Gmail does not return/show any mail from the sender, not a confirmation copy and not the list copy until I was told how to force copies to be returned to me. I had to wait for someone to reply before I knew if the mail had arrived or not. I always click on 'reply all' as a matter of course. Until I forced a return, I did not see any list mails I had sent, not a copy of what I'd sent, not a copy to a list. It's why I'm subbed to most lists with two different addresses, one Gmail and one not so I can be sure whether or not mail is getting through. It still happens with Gmail but not with any other email provider I've used. Obvously we're seeing different results but I know what I've seen. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Maggie Hein wrote: > Strangely, I also did not receive a copy of my post to the LISTOWNERS here > at my e-mail address, but I did receive your message. I am on > other Rootsweb lists and normally receive a copy of anything I post. Is > this list set up differently? For some weird and wonderful reason, Gmail doesn't think you need a copy of your own mail. However, you can alter the settings so you DO get a copy back. This seems to work primarily with email clients such at Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, Eudora, etc. If you aren't using an email client, which you don't appear to be, add your address in the cc or bcc field. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Charani- I'm not disagreeing with you --- you are correct about gmail. What I'm saying is that regardless of whether a list member uses gmail they still won't receive a LIST copy of ANY list messages (whether they sent them or someone else did) if they were also copied with a private copy---excluding bcc's of course. MailMan wouldn't know about those. Joan In a message dated 5/25/2013 7:21:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Charani- > > While you are correct about gmail...this is actually a MailMan "feature" in > that listowners-l is set to reply to sender. So in order to reply to the > sender and the list you must hit REPLY ALL. MailMan spots duplicate copies > and removes the list copy so that it isn't sent in these cases no matter > whether gmail is involved or not. As you wish. However, Gmail does not return/show any mail from the sender, not a confirmation copy and not the list copy until I was told how to force copies to be returned to me. I had to wait for someone to reply before I knew if the mail had arrived or not. I always click on 'reply all' as a matter of course. Until I forced a return, I did not see any list mails I had sent, not a copy of what I'd sent, not a copy to a list. It's why I'm subbed to most lists with two different addresses, one Gmail and one not so I can be sure whether or not mail is getting through. It still happens with Gmail but not with any other email provider I've used. Obvously we're seeing different results but I know what I've seen. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

they are on vacation until at least Tuesday due to Memorial Day weekend. The person to contact is listmaster@rootsweb.com David Samuelsen On 5/25/2013 1:46 PM, Maggie Hein wrote: > list owners with Earthlink addresses who have reported > the same problem. Is there anyone from RootsWeb tech support that monitors > this list that could tell us what we are supposed to say to EarthLink to > convince them they are blocking us?