David, Yes, I've been getting them recently too, because some spammers have started writing directly to the <list>-bounces@rootsweb.com address, which of course MailMan doesn't know what to do with. -- Mary On 6/22/2013 3:08 PM, David E. Cann wrote: > I presume everyone else is also getting flooded with these notices, but I am > getting absolutely flooded with them and they are virtually all spam. I can > only recall one lately that was simply someone writing to the wrong address, > with all of the others checked being spam and leaving me nervous about even > opening it. I've been an Admin long enough to know what they are and how > that type of notice works, but after receiving 65 (about half overnight > alone!) of them on Thursday alone, I have just begun to delete them unopened > at least until the volume diminishes somewhat, but it takes just about all > the restraint that I can muster for me to NOT report them as the spam that > they are (since RW is forwarding them). > > That is my rant for the day, but I sure wish there was some effective means > of stopping or at least slowing them down. This type of spam has been there > for quite awhile, but about a week or ten days ago the volume suddenly went > up by 500% or more to where at times I'm intermittently receiving more of > these than legitimate postings for my lists. I hope it stops soon. Rant > over. . . . :-( > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

I presume everyone else is also getting flooded with these notices, but I am getting absolutely flooded with them and they are virtually all spam. I can only recall one lately that was simply someone writing to the wrong address, with all of the others checked being spam and leaving me nervous about even opening it. I've been an Admin long enough to know what they are and how that type of notice works, but after receiving 65 (about half overnight alone!) of them on Thursday alone, I have just begun to delete them unopened at least until the volume diminishes somewhat, but it takes just about all the restraint that I can muster for me to NOT report them as the spam that they are (since RW is forwarding them). That is my rant for the day, but I sure wish there was some effective means of stopping or at least slowing them down. This type of spam has been there for quite awhile, but about a week or ten days ago the volume suddenly went up by 500% or more to where at times I'm intermittently receiving more of these than legitimate postings for my lists. I hope it stops soon. Rant over. . . . :-( David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Diane- Don't worry about the digest...digests don't go in the archives. Don't worry about the person who posted about the spam link but didn't include it... BUT you do need to initiate removal of the spam message from the archives. Copy the link of the spam message in the archives and go here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/remove Enter the link to the message in the archives and initiate removal. Let the Help Desk know to complete the removal process. When you click the HELP link in the RootsWeb masthead click the ASK A QUESTION link rather than plowing through the FAQs...they are not going to help you with this. Joan In a message dated 6/10/2013 1:31:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhettrick@earthlink.net writes: I haven't had to contact HelpDesk or Gerhard for so long that all my email addresses are wrong. Somehow a spam message got through to my NIR-Down list. Then someone sent it back to the list, complaining, and it's on the Digest. What's the protocol these days? I would ignore the spam, figuring the filters will find it eventually, but I don't know if they would pick up the message from the subscriber on the list and the digest. He did remove the link, which is good, but the messages are useless junk for the archives. I went to the Help Desk section, but I've rarely been able to find what I wanted there. I did skim through 30-40 FAQs without finding what I wanted, then I gave up. Diane in Seattle

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/remove and copy that url and send to listmaster@rootsweb.com to follow up on removal. David Samuelsen On 6/9/2013 11:25 PM, Diane K. Hettrick wrote: > I haven't had to contact HelpDesk or Gerhard for so long that all my > email addresses are wrong. > > Somehow a spam message got through to my NIR-Down list. > Then someone sent it back to the list, complaining, > and it's on the Digest. > > What's the protocol these days? > I would ignore the spam, figuring the filters will find it eventually, > but I don't know if they would pick up the message from the subscriber > on the list and the digest. He did remove the link, which is good, but > the messages are useless junk for the archives. > > I went to the Help Desk section, but I've rarely been able to find > what I wanted there. I did skim through 30-40 FAQs without finding > what I wanted, then I gave up. > > Diane in Seattle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Joan for the instructions. It must have been said many times but Digests not being in the archives never got into my brain. Makes sense, though, it's only duplicates of the original messages. Diane On Jun 9, 2013, at 10:36 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: Diane- Don't worry about the digest...digests don't go in the archives. Don't worry about the person who posted about the spam link but didn't include it... BUT you do need to initiate removal of the spam message from the archives. Copy the link of the spam message in the archives and go here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/remove Enter the link to the message in the archives and initiate removal. Let the Help Desk know to complete the removal process. When you click the HELP link in the RootsWeb masthead click the ASK A QUESTION link rather than plowing through the FAQs...they are not going to help you with this. Joan In a message dated 6/10/2013 1:31:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhettrick@earthlink.net writes: I haven't had to contact HelpDesk or Gerhard for so long that all my email addresses are wrong. Somehow a spam message got through to my NIR-Down list. Then someone sent it back to the list, complaining, and it's on the Digest. What's the protocol these days? I would ignore the spam, figuring the filters will find it eventually, but I don't know if they would pick up the message from the subscriber on the list and the digest. He did remove the link, which is good, but the messages are useless junk for the archives. I went to the Help Desk section, but I've rarely been able to find what I wanted there. I did skim through 30-40 FAQs without finding what I wanted, then I gave up. Diane in Seattle

I haven't had to contact HelpDesk or Gerhard for so long that all my email addresses are wrong. Somehow a spam message got through to my NIR-Down list. Then someone sent it back to the list, complaining, and it's on the Digest. What's the protocol these days? I would ignore the spam, figuring the filters will find it eventually, but I don't know if they would pick up the message from the subscriber on the list and the digest. He did remove the link, which is good, but the messages are useless junk for the archives. I went to the Help Desk section, but I've rarely been able to find what I wanted there. I did skim through 30-40 FAQs without finding what I wanted, then I gave up. Diane in Seattle

I can only say I've never had to remove or moderate anyone from any list I've moderated (with the exception of clearly spam emails addresses, which I blocked.) -David Reed --------------------------------------------- "When you cannot make up your mind which of two evenly balanced courses of action you should take, choose the bolder." - William Joseph Slim  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Zurawicz Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:55 PM To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Problems with another administrator Just because you're a list admin doesn't give you any more rights than any other subscriber to belong to/post to a list. Write to the admin directly and see if you can work out what the problem is. If you feel the admin's reason is unreasonable, you can discuss it with Help Desk. However, listmaster rarely overrules an admin on who can subscribe to their list (a fact I'm sure you appreciate as an admin). David: really....is that what you advise anyone you've removed or moderated on your list? "Create a fake ID and lie about who you are to get around me?" If you're not telling them that, why are you telling folks on other admins' lists to do that? --pig, admin -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 4, 2013 1:34 PM >To: "LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com" <LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [LO] Problems with another administrator > >I am having some conflict with the administrator of another list. This other administrator seems to be unreasonably filtering my attempted posts to her list. I am careful to be sure the subject of my attempted posts are germane to to the subject of the list, but she just does not approve of my "style" of writing. I suspect she either has me under "Moderated posts" or has sent my posts to the spam filter. > >It is clear to me that we rub each other the wrong way, and I feel that at this point ,no matter what I do I will not be able to satisfy the restrictive administrative style of this person. > >I would like to know 2 things: > >1) Whom can I contact directly to discuss this situation? >2) What, short of unsubscribing from her list, can I do? > >Thank you. > >Tom > >SCOTCH-IRISH-IN-PA list admin > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just because you're a list admin doesn't give you any more rights than any other subscriber to belong to/post to a list. Write to the admin directly and see if you can work out what the problem is. If you feel the admin's reason is unreasonable, you can discuss it with Help Desk. However, listmaster rarely overrules an admin on who can subscribe to their list (a fact I'm sure you appreciate as an admin). David: really....is that what you advise anyone you've removed or moderated on your list? "Create a fake ID and lie about who you are to get around me?" If you're not telling them that, why are you telling folks on other admins' lists to do that? --pig, admin -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 4, 2013 1:34 PM >To: "LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com" <LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [LO] Problems with another administrator > >I am having some conflict with the administrator of another list.  This other administrator seems to be unreasonably filtering my attempted posts to her list.  I am careful to be sure the subject of my attempted posts are germane to to the subject of the list, but she just does not approve of my "style" of writing.  I suspect she either has me under "Moderated posts" or has sent my posts to the spam filter.  > >It is clear to me that we rub each other the wrong way, and I feel that at this point ,no matter what I do I will not be able to  satisfy the restrictive administrative style of this person. > >I would like to know 2 things: > >1) Whom can I contact directly to discuss this situation? >2) What, short of unsubscribing from her list, can I do? > >Thank you. > >Tom > >SCOTCH-IRISH-IN-PA list admin > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom, You could always subscribe under a more anonymous name, using a different email address. I've done that a time or two... -David Reed --------------------------------------------- "When you cannot make up your mind which of two evenly balanced courses of action you should take, choose the bolder." - William Joseph Slim  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Caulley Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:35 PM To: LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Problems with another administrator I am having some conflict with the administrator of another list. This other administrator seems to be unreasonably filtering my attempted posts to her list. I am careful to be sure the subject of my attempted posts are germane to to the subject of the list, but she just does not approve of my "style" of writing. I suspect she either has me under "Moderated posts" or has sent my posts to the spam filter. It is clear to me that we rub each other the wrong way, and I feel that at this point ,no matter what I do I will not be able to satisfy the restrictive administrative style of this person. I would like to know 2 things: 1) Whom can I contact directly to discuss this situation? 2) What, short of unsubscribing from her list, can I do? Thank you. Tom SCOTCH-IRISH-IN-PA list admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having some conflict with the administrator of another list.  This other administrator seems to be unreasonably filtering my attempted posts to her list.  I am careful to be sure the subject of my attempted posts are germane to to the subject of the list, but she just does not approve of my "style" of writing.  I suspect she either has me under "Moderated posts" or has sent my posts to the spam filter.  It is clear to me that we rub each other the wrong way, and I feel that at this point ,no matter what I do I will not be able to  satisfy the restrictive administrative style of this person. I would like to know 2 things: 1) Whom can I contact directly to discuss this situation? 2) What, short of unsubscribing from her list, can I do? Thank you. Tom SCOTCH-IRISH-IN-PA list admin

So the "4.0" means 4 days, Joan? Ok, thanks. JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Bouncing off lists under MailMan is NOT based upon the NUMBER of bounces > but rather the number of DAYS an address has bounced. The total number of > DAYS has to add up to your bounce threshold. > > If a list goes 7 days with no posts/bounces then the number resets to zero > and starts all over again. So posting on Saturday and Sunday wouldn't do > it...you need to post for the next two days in order to shake out any bad > addresses. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 6/3/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tmg4me@comcast.net writes: > > If this has been addressed recently, forgive me. I did check recent > messages to "listowners" to see, but didn't see anything. > > I manage 13 extremely slow lists. Decided to post to one of the lists > on Saturday and another message to the list Sunday. In total 8 emails > have been generated, with 6 of them on Sunday. > > Bounce threshold for the list is set to 4.0. I do know of one > subscribed address that is no longer valid, discovered this morning > after sending a personal email to that address. > > The mailing list software has not dropped this user (address should have > a bounce score of 8 at this point). > > This list is on the "lists9.xxxx.xxx" server. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > -- Karon > > >

Bouncing off lists under MailMan is NOT based upon the NUMBER of bounces but rather the number of DAYS an address has bounced. The total number of DAYS has to add up to your bounce threshold. If a list goes 7 days with no posts/bounces then the number resets to zero and starts all over again. So posting on Saturday and Sunday wouldn't do it...you need to post for the next two days in order to shake out any bad addresses. Joan In a message dated 6/3/2013 10:55:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tmg4me@comcast.net writes: If this has been addressed recently, forgive me. I did check recent messages to "listowners" to see, but didn't see anything. I manage 13 extremely slow lists. Decided to post to one of the lists on Saturday and another message to the list Sunday. In total 8 emails have been generated, with 6 of them on Sunday. Bounce threshold for the list is set to 4.0. I do know of one subscribed address that is no longer valid, discovered this morning after sending a personal email to that address. The mailing list software has not dropped this user (address should have a bounce score of 8 at this point). This list is on the "lists9.xxxx.xxx" server. Any ideas? TIA -- Karon

If this has been addressed recently, forgive me. I did check recent messages to "listowners" to see, but didn't see anything. I manage 13 extremely slow lists. Decided to post to one of the lists on Saturday and another message to the list Sunday. In total 8 emails have been generated, with 6 of them on Sunday. Bounce threshold for the list is set to 4.0. I do know of one subscribed address that is no longer valid, discovered this morning after sending a personal email to that address. The mailing list software has not dropped this user (address should have a bounce score of 8 at this point). This list is on the "lists9.xxxx.xxx" server. Any ideas? TIA -- Karon

I've been managing DNA project for FTDNA for almost ten years. In general, FTDNA has a "hands off" policy with regard to how admins run their projects, but please go to your GAP (Group Administrators Page) and read the Guidelines on the Resources menu on your menubar for what restrictions there are. In fact, I would recommend spending time familiarizing yourself with all the features of your GAP. I have a mailing list for each of my DNA projects, and I use them to answer questions about DNA testing and to announce progress in the project, both so people feel the testing is worthwhile and to attract more members. You major consideration when using a mailing list for your project is to never divulge the identity of a project member, unless they've already done so, themselves. The privacy issue is one where FTDNA is very much "hands on": http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy-policy.aspx If you would like help running your Y-DNA project, I would invite you to join the Y-DNA PROJECTS mailing list: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/Y-DNA-PROJECTS.html Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:42 AM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LO] kosher? > > I just, very reluctantly, began management of the Hightower DNA project. It > had been abandoned years ago and wasn’t being used at all. I didn’t realize > that the list manager got emails from FFDNA about every match. It occurs to > me that it might be helpful to post some of the matches onto the Hightower > mail list but I don’t know if this is acceptable. Is it? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > >

I keep getting a strange e-mail from my NEVILLE list. It is clearly a Digest, but it is from neville-request@rootsweb.com and addressed to neville@rootsweb.com (the list address). However, it comes to me and does not appear in the list archive (fortunately). The message looks exactly like a normal Digest in Mime mode. I have checked my member entry under 'Membership Management' and I am not even specified to receive digests. Any ideas what may be happening? Full headers below: Return-Path: <mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from nskntcmgw03p ([61.9.169.163]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20130530182639.ZMEL1968.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw03p> for <ian_marr@bigpond.net.au>; Thu, 30 May 2013 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.28.157]) by nskntcmgw03p with BigPond Inbound id iJSe1l0173PP5pu01JSefE; Thu, 30 May 2013 18:26:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=G7Oe4qY5 c=1 sm=1 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:17 a=DtM6RWxxizQA:10 a=h6H2t06USwQA:10 a=mQsX4_zo9-EA:10 a=ixjGs0MFAAAA:8 a=uURTC8C_0r0A:10 a=D4sAJhOis1-sSIBlyg4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Dy8l5IYJyXoA:10 a=veWKSP0GEIAA:10 a=9EpXEID9PjKsdFS9-zwA:9 a=3nuKuS_kuQ6sTB9uRVAA:9 a=J_4gevkr-xGfTlHi-dAA:9 a=PeDETU_xUZEA:10 a=0AUOKP4fN0oA:10 a=KLveoIj3NvQA:10 a=jKecjdWMqH3bozmjGTaitA==:117 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4UIQcD3029984 for <ian_marr@bigpond.net.au>; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:26:38 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.64]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4UGOJ9u022783 for <NEVILLE-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:24:19 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.52]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4UGOJ1k009384 for <NEVILLE-owner@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:24:19 -0600 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [192.168.26.57]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4UGNi5h004793 for <NEVILLE-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:24:19 -0600 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4UGNik7022567 for <NEVILLE-admin@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:23:44 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1864525803==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: neville-request@rootsweb.com Subject: NEVILLE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 16 To: neville@rootsweb.com Reply-To: neville@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 01:00:19 -0600 Message-ID: <mailman.236.1369897219.7062.neville@rootsweb.com> X-BeenThere: neville@rootsweb.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: <neville.rootsweb.com> X-Loop: NEVILLE@rootsweb.com X-Member: NEVILLE@rootsweb.com List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/neville>, <mailto:neville-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=neville> List-Post: <mailto:neville@rootsweb.com> List-Help: <mailto:neville-request@rootsweb.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/neville>, <mailto:neville-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 192.168.26.64 Sender: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Errors-To: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer.

Joyce Gaston Reece wrote: > I just, very reluctantly, began management of the Hightower DNA > project. It had been abandoned years ago and wasn’t being used at > all. I didn’t realize that the list manager got emails from FFDNA > about every match. It occurs to me that it might be helpful to > post some of the matches onto the Hightower mail list but I don’t > know if this is acceptable. Is it? I guess if FFDNA is happy about it, it's OK. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Okay...we've got this one sorted out. When someone's computer has an incorrect date in sending out emails the year 1980 gets assigned to the posts in the list archives even though that isn't when they were actually SENT. That is what was seen here...you will see it in the archives of many lists. Joan In a message dated 5/30/2013 7:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: Which list? Joan In a message dated 5/30/2013 7:37:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chrisnina@gmail.com writes: This got asked on one of my lists...Why are there a couple of posts from the early 1980's and then a 10 gap. I have noticed it, but since someone wondered aloud, I thought I would ask. Christina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possibly because the poster had the wrong date in his/her email program. You could search the archives for the same subject line to see if anyone replied and, if so, the dates of the reply. Lynne Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote: >This got asked on one of my lists...Why are there a couple of posts from the >early 1980's and then a 10 gap. I have noticed it, but since someone wondered >aloud, I thought I would ask. > >Christina

Which list? Joan In a message dated 5/30/2013 7:37:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chrisnina@gmail.com writes: This got asked on one of my lists...Why are there a couple of posts from the early 1980's and then a 10 gap. I have noticed it, but since someone wondered aloud, I thought I would ask. Christina

This got asked on one of my lists...Why are there a couple of posts from the early 1980's and then a 10 gap. I have noticed it, but since someone wondered aloud, I thought I would ask. Christina