Just curious. I mentioned a while back about not using bcc. Dan M On 04/14/2018 04:00 PM, Paul L LeBlanc via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I was contacted by a list member who had not received posts since we came back up. > > Since I changed his options he is getting SOME of the posts. > > He is subscribed with both MSM & it's outlook twin. > > help! he is 75 years old & wants to receive our posts. > > I told him I would Bcc him to see if he was getting my posts. > > Any & all ideas & suggestions welcome. > > Are there any other providers "blocked" > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > . >

At 07:00 PM 4/14/2018, Paul L LeBlanc via LISTOWNERS wrote: >I told him I would Bcc him to see if he was getting my posts. Paul, actually, adding him as a bcc: might cause your posts to the list to be blocked (implicit destination) By all means cc: him, but do not bcc: him. Pat A.

Good question Paul. I have some same problems. Working gently with folks. Dan On Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 4:00 PM Paul L LeBlanc via LISTOWNERS < [email protected]> wrote: > I was contacted by a list member who had not received posts since we came > back up. > > Since I changed his options he is getting SOME of the posts. > > He is subscribed with both MSM & it's outlook twin. > > help! he is 75 years old & wants to receive our posts. > > I told him I would Bcc him to see if he was getting my posts. > > Any & all ideas & suggestions welcome. > > Are there any other providers "blocked" > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I was contacted by a list member who had not received posts since we came back up. Since I changed his options he is getting SOME of the posts. He is subscribed with both MSM & it's outlook twin. help! he is 75 years old & wants to receive our posts. I told him I would Bcc him to see if he was getting my posts. Any & all ideas & suggestions welcome. Are there any other providers "blocked"

Thank you, Pat! Has anyone received a notification that a post is being held because it's too big? If so, what did that notification say? Lynne On 4/14/2018 4:09 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > > I have been unable to find one. Apparently the limit has been selected > for all lists and is not subject to individual list admin modification. > > HOWEVER, the program *appears* to be applying it unevenly, occasionally > blocking even "comment" posts of less than 1kb (such as mine) while > allowing much larger posts through. Mine quoting headers to this list > was 10 times the size of the one posted to a different list that was held. > > > Pat A.

I have another question. I posted with [email protected] I received the message in both my other subscribed addresses, but not the one I sent with. Is this still something gmail is still doing, blocking our own posts to the sending address? That was the reason I went to my domain mail, now I get server busy rejects from there. never a dull moment. Dan On 04/14/2018 02:20 PM, Dan M wrote: > lol, at least with this project, you don't have to drink to get hick > ups lol. > I did check on gmail website. Nothing abnormal there. > So I removed James and added Dan M ;) > Dan > > On 04/14/2018 02:15 PM, Pat Asher wrote: >> At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >>> Something happened. >>> I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >>> Dan M ;))) >> >> Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it >> broke loose. As you have been pointing out about various >> questions/problems, it was just one of the hiccups that occur more >> often than we would wish when we access the internet. In theory the >> flow should be seamless. In practice, it never is <sigh> >> >> >> Pat A. > [snip] > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists.  Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us.  View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more > information.  Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

lol, at least with this project, you don't have to drink to get hick ups lol. I did check on gmail website. Nothing abnormal there. So I removed James and added Dan M ;) Dan On 04/14/2018 02:15 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >> Something happened. >> I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >> Dan M ;))) > > Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it broke > loose. As you have been pointing out about various questions/problems, > it was just one of the hiccups that occur more often than we would wish > when we access the internet. In theory the flow should be seamless. In > practice, it never is <sigh> > > > Pat A. [snip]

At 04:59 PM 4/14/2018, Dan M wrote: >Something happened. >I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. >Dan M ;))) Dan, check the headers. Chances are your ISP had a logjam and it broke loose. As you have been pointing out about various questions/problems, it was just one of the hiccups that occur more often than we would wish when we access the internet. In theory the flow should be seamless. In practice, it never is <sigh> Pat A.

Patience because some one might be trying to fix the problem and just have not got it done yet? I don't think I have a clue whats wrong, but have a minor idea. In the mean time, check your systems for those having problems posting. Look for those things i mentioned before. Dan On 04/14/2018 01:49 PM, David E. Cann wrote: > Deloris, > > Nor do I, but I FREELY ADMIT I don't know. the trouble is we are all getting advice from people who give us advice who don't seem to know either, and that is the problem. ☹ > > I have now been told to "have some patience," but why? That is not something that I do very well at times like this but OI will try. > > > David  [snip]

Something happened. I just got a flood of missing mail to this address just now. Dan M ;)))

Thats correct in part.   I would check the security setting and the reply to field should be blank. No cc or bcc.   I was a beta tester for outlook and OE, I still have the desktop books for those, over 1000 pages, so there is a lot more in mail programs than just simply send messages.   I also have lots of folks posting now with Outlook and going ok.  I have no mail hits my inbox every thing is filtered to its own folder, all lists, all subscribe and such. Easy to make filters. Dan M On 04/14/2018 01:20 PM, Deloris Williams wrote: > David, > I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. > I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. > The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. > I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. > > Deloris Williams [snip]

Deloris, Nor do I, but I FREELY ADMIT I don't know. the trouble is we are all getting advice from people who give us advice who don't seem to know either, and that is the problem. ☹ I have now been told to "have some patience," but why? That is not something that I do very well at times like this but OI will try. David -----Original Message----- From: Deloris Williams <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 4:20 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts David, I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. Deloris Williams -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:16 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Cc: 'Anne Gillespie Mitchell' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Lynne, First of all, let me preface my comments by saying I IN NO WAY, SHAPE NOR FORM CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT on IT work or anything at all remotely knowledgeable about what I am talking about. I am simply an old (75) geezer who has been a List Owner for 20 years now (or whatever else the title was at any given time). WITHOUT any training, what little I have learned in two decades of doing this was learned through osmosis. A chimpanzee could have learned as much in the same time if you get him to repeat it enough times. Now then, all that said in my background, please let me tell you why I think I can tell you "YES" that I may well be one of those people who has had (and continues to have) messages rejected due to size despite changing my list settings per Anne's precise directions. I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has require me to then go to the Held Messages filter despite the fact I am a subscriber just like everyone else is despite the fact my filters are set to allow all subscribers through freely. If all of my assumptions are correct, and my "bloated Outlook plain text" messages THAT HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH PRIOR TO THE CURRENT MAILMAN 3 was installed to gum up the works including UNDER MAILMAN 2.17, then something in the current filters needs to be fixed or tweaked to make it DO WHAT ALL OF IT'S PREDECESSORS WERE ABLE TO DO? Now then, how do we get someone at RW to at least "take off the blinders" long enough to stop blaming us for setting the tweaks wrong or otherwise causing the problem long enough to examine the issue and resolve it one way or another without any more guesswork, hmmmmm? ☹ David -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:01 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Thanks, Dan, but I'm really curious to know if Janet or anyone else has had a message rejected because of size. Lynne On 4/14/2018 11:44 AM, DJ wrote: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/modera > tion.html > > Lots of help here. If you can find it. > > > On 04/14/2018 06:53 AM, Lynne wrote: >> Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting >> notifications of posts that are too large to post? If that's the >> case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of >> acceptable posts? The only notifications I've received are N/A or >> not a member. >>

Me either. I been reading the mail man online also to gather some savvy here. It might be, what we are fighting, is something, radio tick internally thats not working or set right? Just thinking, because I set up online BBS and there are soooo many things, and if you all click into the mail man link I sent, you might see its not that simple for Anne either, we are all on a test of patience I think. <G> Dan On 04/14/2018 01:09 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > At 03:40 PM 4/14/2018, Lynne wrote: >> Is there a setting in the new Mailman that let's us determine what >> size a single message should be? If so, please tell me where in the >> admin settings I can find this.   I can only find the setting for >> Digests. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Lynne > > I have been unable to find one. Apparently the limit has been selected > for all lists and is not subject to individual list admin modification. > > HOWEVER, the program *appears* to be applying it unevenly, > occasionally blocking even "comment" posts of less than 1kb (such as > mine) while allowing much larger posts through. Mine quoting headers > to this list was 10 times the size of the one posted to a different > list that was held. > > > Pat A. [snip]

Where all my mail for [email protected] is going from LO. Please. I ask a direct question. Dan M

David, I don't think it is the Outlook client, I use the same thing, and have had no problems whatsoever in sending and receiving messages to the new Lists. I sent out my Welcoming message to all of my Lists a week ago, and all of them went through, and even got some responses from those lists saying all was well. They have not been very active in a long time, but so far, no one seems to have had a problem. The only issue I had at first for a couple of Lists, is that they went to my Junk folder, but once I added the List to my "Safe Senders" Options, it goes straight to my Inbox now. I have no idea why your Lists are having these problems, I understand that it must be extremely frustrating. I hope Anne can help get the issue straightened out for you soon. Deloris Williams -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:16 PM To: 'Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators' <[email protected]> Cc: 'Anne Gillespie Mitchell' <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Lynne, First of all, let me preface my comments by saying I IN NO WAY, SHAPE NOR FORM CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT on IT work or anything at all remotely knowledgeable about what I am talking about. I am simply an old (75) geezer who has been a List Owner for 20 years now (or whatever else the title was at any given time). WITHOUT any training, what little I have learned in two decades of doing this was learned through osmosis. A chimpanzee could have learned as much in the same time if you get him to repeat it enough times. Now then, all that said in my background, please let me tell you why I think I can tell you "YES" that I may well be one of those people who has had (and continues to have) messages rejected due to size despite changing my list settings per Anne's precise directions. I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has require me to then go to the Held Messages filter despite the fact I am a subscriber just like everyone else is despite the fact my filters are set to allow all subscribers through freely. If all of my assumptions are correct, and my "bloated Outlook plain text" messages THAT HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH PRIOR TO THE CURRENT MAILMAN 3 was installed to gum up the works including UNDER MAILMAN 2.17, then something in the current filters needs to be fixed or tweaked to make it DO WHAT ALL OF IT'S PREDECESSORS WERE ABLE TO DO? Now then, how do we get someone at RW to at least "take off the blinders" long enough to stop blaming us for setting the tweaks wrong or otherwise causing the problem long enough to examine the issue and resolve it one way or another without any more guesswork, hmmmmm? ☹ David -----Original Message----- From: Lynne <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 1:01 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <[email protected]> Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Thanks, Dan, but I'm really curious to know if Janet or anyone else has had a message rejected because of size. Lynne On 4/14/2018 11:44 AM, DJ wrote: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/modera > tion.html > > Lots of help here. If you can find it. > > > On 04/14/2018 06:53 AM, Lynne wrote: >> Janet, are you saying that with the new system you are getting >> notifications of posts that are too large to post? If that's the >> case, where are the settings in MailMan to change the size of >> acceptable posts? The only notifications I've received are N/A or >> not a member. >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 03:40 PM 4/14/2018, Lynne wrote: >Is there a setting in the new Mailman that let's us determine what >size a single message should be? If so, please tell me where in the >admin settings I can find this. I can only find the setting for Digests. > >Thanks. > >Lynne I have been unable to find one. Apparently the limit has been selected for all lists and is not subject to individual list admin modification. HOWEVER, the program *appears* to be applying it unevenly, occasionally blocking even "comment" posts of less than 1kb (such as mine) while allowing much larger posts through. Mine quoting headers to this list was 10 times the size of the one posted to a different list that was held. Pat A.

On 4/14/2018 1:57 PM, Marleen Van Horne wrote: > I have had several messages held for size.  They are usually replies to > digests that have been quoted over and over again.  <snip> How is the message marked on your list admin page and what kind of notification do you receive for too large messages? <snip> > This happens because most e-mail software comes set to quote messages > being replied to and has to be turned off. <snip> I wouldn't encourage posters to change their email settings to eliminate the message to which they're replying. Subscribers just need to be taught how to snip. Without the context of the previous message, or at least part of it, some replies aren't going to make any sense. > > Also, I have not changed any of the options that came with the new > software, and I am not having any of the troubles the rest of you are > having.  My lists that actually have active subscribers are working like > they are supposed to work. > Lucky, lucky you! Some of my lists work, some don't. Lynne

Dan, No clue, because I wouldn't know how to change the size limit even if I had wanted t. It is set to the SAME SIZE THAT WORKED FLAWLESSLY BEFORE LAST MONTH when the new filters took over. That fact alone ought to give some clue on where to start looking IMHO. David E. Cann [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: DJ <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Another thought would be, just another filter thats reporting wrong. Have you sent your self the same message and checked the message size>? Just to be sure it was too big? What size do you have your list set for? Should be enough for a normal digest, are your message that big? I have people who write so much its like a book, near onto 20K and post. Dan On 04/14/2018 11:16 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > Lynne, > > > > I use Outlook 2016 (part of MS Office 365) as an email client, and email is downloaded to it from my ISP. To post to any RW list I FIRST convert the blank new message TO PLAIN TEXT first before writing the first word. I may be wrong here, but isn't THAT KIND OF TEXT MESSAGE rather "bloated" in size compared to one that has always been plain text "from birth." Like many of you, I am now following these steps to send "welcome" messages to ALL of my lists as Anne has requested, but so far 100% of them, EVERY ONE OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION, _______________________________________________

Is there a setting in the new Mailman that let's us determine what size a single message should be? If so, please tell me where in the admin settings I can find this. I can only find the setting for Digests. Thanks. Lynne On 4/14/2018 2:49 PM, DJ wrote: > <snip> > What size do you have your list set for? > Dan >

Thanks, DJ, but I guess I'm not making myself clear. At this moment I'm not interested in exploring the headers or source of any of list messages. I'm asking if anyone has received notification from our new Mailman that says a message is too large or has gone to their list pages and has had a message marked that it's too large. Thanks. Lynne On 4/14/2018 1:57 PM, DJ wrote: > X-MailFrom: pjroots(a)att.net > X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: max-size > X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; approved; emergency; loop; > banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; > implicit-dest; max-recipients; news-moderation; no-subject; > suspicious-header > > On 04/14/2018 10:44 AM, Lynne wrote: >> Pat, I don't see in your archived post where you say the message was >> held for being too large or that you received a "too large" >> notification.  I just see that it was another N/A.  What am I missing? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 4/14/2018 1:33 PM, Pat Asher wrote: >>> At 01:00 PM 4/14/2018, Lynne wrote: >>>> Thanks, Dan, but I'm really curious to know if Janet or anyone else >>>> has had a message rejected because of size. >>>> >>>> Lynne