Thank you for that. Very good information. On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Mary Richardson <[email protected]> wrote: > Volume refers to the current year. In this case, we're in the 13th year. > I save the final digest each year, so I'll have some idea of traffic on my > list. Last year, my digests ended at Vol. 12 No. 50 on 27 Dec 2017. > > > > At 03:34 PM 4/19/2018, you wrote: > >> Good questions. >> >> It appears looking at a few lists that Created at and Digest last sent at >> are correct, but Last post is not. >> >> And I have no clue as to what volume is. >> >> I'll try and figure it out, but no promises on when. >> >> Anne >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > In reviewing my list today, I noticed a weird metric. It states that the >> > last post was made on Jan 24, 2018 but the last digest was sent April >> 13, >> > 2018. >> > >> > Since I am regularly receiving posts (I'm not on digest), why would this >> > say the last post was in January? >> > >> > Also, what does Volume = 13 mean exactly? >> > >> > List metricsCreated at2006-10-12T16:53:05.570844Last post at >> > 2018-01-24T11:32:38.860575Digest last sent at2018-04-13T01:43:27.280683 >> > Volume13 >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Anne Mitchell http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com>

Volume refers to the current year. In this case, we're in the 13th year. I save the final digest each year, so I'll have some idea of traffic on my list. Last year, my digests ended at Vol. 12 No. 50 on 27 Dec 2017. At 03:34 PM 4/19/2018, you wrote: >Good questions. > >It appears looking at a few lists that Created at and Digest last sent at >are correct, but Last post is not. > >And I have no clue as to what volume is. > >I'll try and figure it out, but no promises on when. > >Anne > >On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < >[email protected]> wrote: > > > In reviewing my list today, I noticed a weird metric. It states that the > > last post was made on Jan 24, 2018 but the last digest was sent April 13, > > 2018. > > > > Since I am regularly receiving posts (I'm not on digest), why would this > > say the last post was in January? > > > > Also, what does Volume = 13 mean exactly? > > > > List metricsCreated at2006-10-12T16:53:05.570844Last post at > > 2018-01-24T11:32:38.860575Digest last sent at2018-04-13T01:43:27.280683 > > Volume13

Good questions. It appears looking at a few lists that Created at and Digest last sent at are correct, but Last post is not. And I have no clue as to what volume is. I'll try and figure it out, but no promises on when. Anne On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < [email protected]> wrote: > In reviewing my list today, I noticed a weird metric. It states that the > last post was made on Jan 24, 2018 but the last digest was sent April 13, > 2018. > > Since I am regularly receiving posts (I'm not on digest), why would this > say the last post was in January? > > Also, what does Volume = 13 mean exactly? > > List metricsCreated at2006-10-12T16:53:05.570844Last post at > 2018-01-24T11:32:38.860575Digest last sent at2018-04-13T01:43:27.280683 > Volume13 > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Anne Mitchell http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com>

In reviewing my list today, I noticed a weird metric. It states that the last post was made on Jan 24, 2018 but the last digest was sent April 13, 2018. Since I am regularly receiving posts (I'm not on digest), why would this say the last post was in January? Also, what does Volume = 13 mean exactly? List metricsCreated at2006-10-12T16:53:05.570844Last post at 2018-01-24T11:32:38.860575Digest last sent at2018-04-13T01:43:27.280683 Volume13

Start on you settings page for you list. The URL looks something like: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/LISTNAME.rootsweb.com/settings/ where LISTNAME is the name of your list. Click on Custom Messaging For each option, select 'Use default' or select 'Use custom' and specify the text below. Note: If you use a custom footer, it will add to the existing footer, not replace it. HTML is not allowed, text only. The following substitutions are supported: • $listname - fully qualified list name (e.g. [email protected]) • $display_name - the display name of the mailing list (e.g. Listowners) • $short_listname - the local part of the list name (e.g. listowners) • $domain - the domain name part of the list name (e.g. rootsweb.com) • $description - the mailing list’s short description text (set this on the List Identity page) • $info - the mailing list’s longer descriptive text (set this on the List Identity page) • $request_email - the email address for the -request alias • $owner_email - the email address for the -owner alias • $site_email - the email address to reach the owners of the list • https://list.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/$listname/ -- will be a link to your archives A welcome email might look something like: Welcome to the $display_name mailing list! To reach the list owners send an email to $site_email To post, send an email to $listname $info Your old messages should be there. You will notice that the substitution variables have changed from %(listname) which was the Mailman 2 format to $listname which is the Mailman 3 format. You can find this documentation and other documentation at : http://bit.ly/RootsWebDocs Customize away!

Both urls give the same blank screen with no menu bar for me The only way the top bar menu shows is when signed in Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19-Apr-18 5:47 PM, Mary Richardson wrote: > I haven't used www.rootsweb.com in years, but I just tried it and > discovered what you're describing:  no tool bar at the top of the > screen.  home.rootweb.com didn't go anywhere, i.e., all I got was a > blank screen. I use www.rootsweb.ancestry.com -- tool bar has always > been there, i.e., it doesn't disappear, reappear, etc.

I haven't used www.rootsweb.com in years, but I just tried it and discovered what you're describing: no tool bar at the top of the screen. home.rootweb.com didn't go anywhere, i.e., all I got was a blank screen. I use www.rootsweb.ancestry.com -- tool bar has always been there, i.e., it doesn't disappear, reappear, etc. At 12:37 PM 4/19/2018, Timothy Stowell wrote: >Nivard, > >I have also experienced the missing tool bar which appears and disappeared, >then reappears. > >It is frustrating. It seems that both www.rootsweb.com and home.rootweb.com >should both have the heading for navigation of the site. > >Tim > >On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> >wrote: > > > > I am concerned about it as it was the place to send people to find the > > lists & boards > > > > And search the archived posts > > > > And various other things like password central, help etc etc most of > > which have disappeared > > > > If people can't find the lists at least, how are they going to subscribe ? > > > > The only place I get the menu is when logged in, not much use if > > potential subscribers aren't registered with Rootsweb > > > > I might have thought it a problem with my computer, or browser however > > its the same on other computers and on different browsers > > > > The fact is it should be there > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I was thinking exactly this the other day...and snipping previous message back to a minimum. I make no excuses but in gmail the previous message is not visible unless you click the ... at the which alerts me to when as "owners" we can't even follow the plain text rule either! Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa... Sherry Landa in sunny Slough, UK On 19 April 2018 at 05:31, Peter D Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, we’re all admins/owners on here (on should be). > > Isn’t it about time we ALL abided by one of the primary rules of list etiquette, and remember to strip off ALL the footers before replying. >

Nivard, I have also experienced the missing tool bar which appears and disappeared, then reappears. It is frustrating. It seems that both www.rootsweb.com and home.rootweb.com should both have the heading for navigation of the site. Tim On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am concerned about it as it was the place to send people to find the > lists & boards > > And search the archived posts > > And various other things like password central, help etc etc most of > which have disappeared > > If people can't find the lists at least, how are they going to subscribe ? > > The only place I get the menu is when logged in, not much use if > potential subscribers aren't registered with Rootsweb > > I might have thought it a problem with my computer, or browser however > its the same on other computers and on different browsers > > The fact is it should be there > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >

Firefox only updates automatically if you have the options set for it to do so. Lynne On 4/18/2018 10:48 AM, Gene Phillips wrote: > Firefox updates itself automatically. I haven't updated firefox since I downloaded it about 5 years ago. > > That wasn't the problem. You have to be logged in using your admin account to see the Admin link. I was logged in under another account and wasn't logged into IE at all. > > Gene

I am concerned about it as it was the place to send people to find the lists & boards And search the archived posts And various other things like password central, help etc etc most of which have disappeared If people can't find the lists at least, how are they going to subscribe ? The only place I get the menu is when logged in, not much use if potential subscribers aren't registered with Rootsweb I might have thought it a problem with my computer, or browser however its the same on other computers and on different browsers The fact is it should be there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19-Apr-18 1:51 PM, Gene Phillips wrote: > I don't think I ever seen the home page without a menu. > > Why are you so concerned about it? The only link that goes anywhere is the Mailing Lists link. > > Gene

I don't think I ever seen the home page without a menu. Why are you so concerned about it? The only link that goes anywhere is the Mailing Lists link. Gene At 07:15 AM 4/19/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >PS the top bar menu has disappeared once more from the Rootsweb home page :-( > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >On 19-Apr-18 1:14 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >>I just did a test subscribe to a list >>The welcome message, although long and detailed did not have the address to post to >>So I did a test subscribe from a different email address to one of mine, and got a truncated message with no address to send to either > >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com

PS the top bar menu has disappeared once more from the Rootsweb home page :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19-Apr-18 1:14 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > I just did a test subscribe to a list > > The welcome message, although long and detailed did not have the address > to post to > > So I did a test subscribe from a different email address to one of mine, > and got a truncated message with no address to send to either >

I just did a test subscribe to a list The welcome message, although long and detailed did not have the address to post to So I did a test subscribe from a different email address to one of mine, and got a truncated message with no address to send to either Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> And you are right, that page doesn't say to send email to >> "[email protected]". However, I'm reasonably sure that the welcome >> message says that. >> >> And those who are already subscribed can just look at a list post! >> >> Valorie >

Can we edit the welcome message sent to new subscribers? If so how as I cannot find it Apologies if its been brought up before, in the midst of all the exchanges I may have missed it -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

One of the problems for anyone (in power) deciding to remove a list based upon whether it has posts in the archives is the quality of those posts. I have a number of lists I created in the hope of generating interest that have ended up with one or two posts - all from me (such as advising of the new Mailman requirements), so there is absolutely nothing of significance in a genealogical sense. These can be deleted but if someone checks they will see there are archive entries and "hands over the cheeks" reaction - we cannot delete these!! Very time consuming and resource hungry activities to make that decision to delete. If an admin says we can delete a list, within reason we should accept their judgement. The within reason bit is that if a list has a lot of messages in the archives, maybe hold off on the removal and seek further info from the admin. The key is that staff have their hands full at the moment, and I would think for the foreseeable future, so we need to make this process as easy as possible. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree (Ancestry): http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/66493449/family/pedigree?cfpid=48155438646&selnode=1 Family Tree (TribalPages): http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:18 PM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators Subject: [LO]Re: Some unused lists that will be subject to deletion Amen to your thoughts, Anne. Email is getting to be a pain, but the pain of lists is worth it because of *archives*. They need to be sortable, searchable and complete! I don't care how old a post is, the information there is sometimes the only clue available, and we all know how one clue can be the "open sesame" to finding sooo much more. I very much hope that zero posts are deleted, whether some lists become defunct or not. List posts from the archives used to show up in my Google searches all the time, sometimes ones I made, with information I had forgotten in the intervening years! I hope that will again be true with the new archives. Valorie On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Anne Burgess via LISTOWNERS <[email protected]> wrote: > To me the important factor in this is that List archives should remain > available. > > I have no problem with deleting any List that has never had any posts. > > However I am not happy about deleting Lists that have posts in them. I > think > the archives should be preserved, even if there is currently little or no > traffic. > > What about Lists that are minor spelling variations of one another? It's > not > user-friendly to have to check three or four different lists for the same > basic surname. Could Cruikshank, for instance, be amalgamated with the > commoner spelling Cruickshank? I realise that this could potentially open > cans of worms, but if both Listowners agree, amalgamation should be > possible. > > Is it possible to retain Lists that consist only of archives, but could be > closed to new posts? > > Anne > ANGUS List Owner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Gillespie Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 April 2018 22:56 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LO]Some unused lists that will be subject to deletion > > Throwing this out there for discussion. > > We have WAY too many lists. And many aren't used. I am currently working > on > ways to drive traffic and signups to location and subject lists, but > Surname > lists are a bit of problem -- many are unused and clutter up the > landscape. > > I suspect we have between 15,000 and 25,000 surname lists. > > So Surname lists that are subject to deletion: > > - Lists that have never had post > - Lists that have no owner and less than 10 subscribers and no posts in > the last 2 years > - Lists that have no registered owner (as of April 30th), less than 10 > subscribers and no posts within the last 2 years > > If anyone wants to make an argument for Surname lists that get no use, > please make it. Or better yet, show them some care. > > And if you have lists that you think just need to be deleted, send me the > list and a quick justification. We want 2 kinds of lists: 1) lists that > are > active and 2) lists that have that potential. > > Anne > > -- > Anne Mitchell > > http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com> -- http://about.me/valoriez _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. 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Amen to your thoughts, Anne. Email is getting to be a pain, but the pain of lists is worth it because of *archives*. They need to be sortable, searchable and complete! I don't care how old a post is, the information there is sometimes the only clue available, and we all know how one clue can be the "open sesame" to finding sooo much more. I very much hope that zero posts are deleted, whether some lists become defunct or not. List posts from the archives used to show up in my Google searches all the time, sometimes ones I made, with information I had forgotten in the intervening years! I hope that will again be true with the new archives. Valorie On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Anne Burgess via LISTOWNERS <[email protected]> wrote: > To me the important factor in this is that List archives should remain > available. > > I have no problem with deleting any List that has never had any posts. > > However I am not happy about deleting Lists that have posts in them. I think > the archives should be preserved, even if there is currently little or no > traffic. > > What about Lists that are minor spelling variations of one another? It's not > user-friendly to have to check three or four different lists for the same > basic surname. Could Cruikshank, for instance, be amalgamated with the > commoner spelling Cruickshank? I realise that this could potentially open > cans of worms, but if both Listowners agree, amalgamation should be > possible. > > Is it possible to retain Lists that consist only of archives, but could be > closed to new posts? > > Anne > ANGUS List Owner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne Gillespie Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 April 2018 22:56 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LO]Some unused lists that will be subject to deletion > > Throwing this out there for discussion. > > We have WAY too many lists. And many aren't used. I am currently working on > ways to drive traffic and signups to location and subject lists, but Surname > lists are a bit of problem -- many are unused and clutter up the landscape. > > I suspect we have between 15,000 and 25,000 surname lists. > > So Surname lists that are subject to deletion: > > - Lists that have never had post > - Lists that have no owner and less than 10 subscribers and no posts in > the last 2 years > - Lists that have no registered owner (as of April 30th), less than 10 > subscribers and no posts within the last 2 years > > If anyone wants to make an argument for Surname lists that get no use, > please make it. Or better yet, show them some care. > > And if you have lists that you think just need to be deleted, send me the > list and a quick justification. We want 2 kinds of lists: 1) lists that are > active and 2) lists that have that potential. > > Anne > > -- > Anne Mitchell > > http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com> -- http://about.me/valoriez

To me the important factor in this is that List archives should remain available. I have no problem with deleting any List that has never had any posts. However I am not happy about deleting Lists that have posts in them. I think the archives should be preserved, even if there is currently little or no traffic. What about Lists that are minor spelling variations of one another? It's not user-friendly to have to check three or four different lists for the same basic surname. Could Cruikshank, for instance, be amalgamated with the commoner spelling Cruickshank? I realise that this could potentially open cans of worms, but if both Listowners agree, amalgamation should be possible. Is it possible to retain Lists that consist only of archives, but could be closed to new posts? Anne ANGUS List Owner -----Original Message----- From: Anne Gillespie Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 April 2018 22:56 To: [email protected] Subject: [LO]Some unused lists that will be subject to deletion Throwing this out there for discussion. We have WAY too many lists. And many aren't used. I am currently working on ways to drive traffic and signups to location and subject lists, but Surname lists are a bit of problem -- many are unused and clutter up the landscape. I suspect we have between 15,000 and 25,000 surname lists. So Surname lists that are subject to deletion: - Lists that have never had post - Lists that have no owner and less than 10 subscribers and no posts in the last 2 years - Lists that have no registered owner (as of April 30th), less than 10 subscribers and no posts within the last 2 years If anyone wants to make an argument for Surname lists that get no use, please make it. Or better yet, show them some care. And if you have lists that you think just need to be deleted, send me the list and a quick justification. We want 2 kinds of lists: 1) lists that are active and 2) lists that have that potential. Anne -- Anne Mitchell http://clustergenealogy.com <http://finding-forgotten-stories.com> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

We have a leadership position as listowners, and this list is all about improving our skills and helping one another develop best practices. It is NOT about criticizing Rootsweb, Ancestry, or fellow listowners. I would greatly appreciate it if each of you used best practices for posting on this list as well. Please re-read your post before sending, and think how what you say will be seen by a wider audience. If some of your phrases are ambiguous, speak more clearly and simply. Please in replies trim extraneous material, especially footers. If we want our list members to do this, we should be doing it ourselves as well. This has been a tough time for all of us, and listowners who have fallen off this list are subscribing daily. Please let's give them good information, presented clearly. All the best, Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez

Yes if already subscribed you would think that the person would know or have the address saved However not all subscribers are tech savvy and on more than several occasions I have been asked what is the correct address to use to post to a list, some get confused by the "request" or "admin" addresses that were, so I always found it better to show them where to look for the right address, which would help them for all lists I am pleased to report that at least the top bar menu is back on the Rootsweb home page (at least for now ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19-Apr-18 8:33 AM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Clicking "Mailing Lists" on the main Rootsweb page sends you to: > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/ > > Searching that page for McBee (my very first list) I'm sent to > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/search/MCBEE > > And you are right, that page doesn't say to send email to > "[email protected]". However, I'm reasonably sure that the welcome > message says that. > > And those who are already subscribed can just look at a list post! > > Valorie