Out of frustration, I got on an ATT help chat and whoever was on the other end, fixed the problem.  So, if you hear from others with the same problem I had, refer to an online chat with ATT. -- Pat Connors https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.connorsgenealogy.com&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=M9ToUTOg4bt6Fr1FIfLlhmw7yLnsuq-A5FG6XU5cj-Y&s=mWu9-F_tphmo9vS5j10JIH2oOw5EtWlkEYacwtJaW9g&e=

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YesNo On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 3:14 PM W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > My ISP where my SAMPUBCO is located, tracked down the stubborn problem > and it had to do with security and blocking > > Found we need to discontinue STARTTLS and start using SSL for outgoing > SMTP as major companies are blocking all who still use STARTTLS. > > My problem was resolved instantly. Rootsweb is using Outlook service and > now requires SSL. To change to SSL, one have to go into own email > settings to change to SSL. > > David Samuelsen > > On 10/1/2018 2:18 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > > hank you, Wendy, for replying. I really do not like the Google email > program because they try to do things for me that I really do not want, so > we fight a bit. I do use Google for all my single posts for the lists I > admin for Rootsweb, however. I send all digests to my pacbell account, > which I am not receiving, so now using Outlook for the digests as a work > around. > > > > Since there are a lot more Rootsweb users than just I who use an > ATT/Yahoo email service, I was hoping that Rootsweb could get involved to > help solve our problem. The lists have been dead. I do not know if it is > because of this problem or that maybe everyone has conquered their brick > walls. > > > > Pat Connors > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=CeoZnE01Ex9AHSot0A4N3ZUjKaJshaq5_qXYb-TV8Zc&s=Wryi48DSUx6rwYvsFDT4ocxKwqnAGJ5tA2qrK47E1bM&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=CeoZnE01Ex9AHSot0A4N3ZUjKaJshaq5_qXYb-TV8Zc&s=DZSrm1sXpHWiMl-3GfPbxq4LtfHzIMPtxRIu1OhDq7s&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=CeoZnE01Ex9AHSot0A4N3ZUjKaJshaq5_qXYb-TV8Zc&s=ob6DCPlBKRAHGNGl9QCvQW-o-uRn9ShYSBG_bMCb5to&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

My ISP where my SAMPUBCO is located, tracked down the stubborn problem and it had to do with security and blocking Found we need to discontinue STARTTLS and start using SSL for outgoing SMTP as major companies are blocking all who still use STARTTLS. My problem was resolved instantly. Rootsweb is using Outlook service and now requires SSL. To change to SSL, one have to go into own email settings to change to SSL. David Samuelsen On 10/1/2018 2:18 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > hank you, Wendy, for replying. I really do not like the Google email program because they try to do things for me that I really do not want, so we fight a bit. I do use Google for all my single posts for the lists I admin for Rootsweb, however. I send all digests to my pacbell account, which I am not receiving, so now using Outlook for the digests as a work around. > > Since there are a lot more Rootsweb users than just I who use an ATT/Yahoo email service, I was hoping that Rootsweb could get involved to help solve our problem. The lists have been dead. I do not know if it is because of this problem or that maybe everyone has conquered their brick walls. > > Pat Connors

Thank you, Wendy, for replying. I really do not like the Google email program because they try to do things for me that I really do not want, so we fight a bit. I do use Google for all my single posts for the lists I admin for Rootsweb, however. I send all digests to my pacbell account, which I am not receiving, so now using Outlook for the digests as a work around. Since there are a lot more Rootsweb users than just I who use an ATT/Yahoo email service, I was hoping that Rootsweb could get involved to help solve our problem. The lists have been dead. I do not know if it is because of this problem or that maybe everyone has conquered their brick walls. Pat Connors https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.connorsgenealogy.com&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=x-xxAggLLkVMa3sGnnt35pkqyKBOmbe7TPP9cQQR3Xk&s=GyqiJTPuxZwE6uGdCqjfaCHJ_n0-heCS5BV9gESRnNQ&e= ________________________________________ From: Wendy Howard <wendy.howard@gmail.com> Subject: [LO] Re: ATT problem There's an easier solution to your situation, Pat - you can subscribe to both individual posts AND digests with the same Gmail address - just add something to the end of your user name after a plus (+) to create a unique address that Mailman doesn't realise goes to the same mailbox as your usual address. It saves the hassle of having to monitor another email address altogether, and you can customise filters for that mail if you want. For all Rootsweb lists I manage, I'm subscribed with my usual address for the individual posts, and with wendy.howard+digest@gmail.com for the digest option.

There's an easier solution to your situation, Pat - you can subscribe to both individual posts AND digests with the same Gmail address - just add something to the end of your user name after a plus (+) to create a unique address that Mailman doesn't realise goes to the same mailbox as your usual address. It saves the hassle of having to monitor another email address altogether, and you can customise filters for that mail if you want. For all Rootsweb lists I manage, I'm subscribed with my usual address for the individual posts, and with wendy.howard+digest@gmail.com for the digest option. You can read more about it in the Gmail blog - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gmail.googleblog.com_2008_03_2-2Dhidden-2Dways-2Dto-2Dget-2Dmore-2Dfrom-2Dyour.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=qZP3JTJnxI2pCv0DuUHInCirFnQSW1HnguD3cWfa9V8&s=7JM16wOIU6m20jTPr4-PxMqCOMxPcj0vgxzNMNgleWs&e= Hope this helps. :-) Wendy On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:39 AM Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > I realized last month that I was no longer receiving Rootsweb posts on > this account. As a listowner, I used two email accounts and have single > posts sent to my Google email address and had digests sent to this > (pacbell) account. I contacted Anne thinking it was a Rootsweb problem > when I noticed I was not longer receiving Rootsweb email on this account > and she suggested I open another email account and I opened Outlook and > now have the digests sent there. I am not happy with Outlook but it > serves the purpose where I can check what the digests look like and get > this list again which I get in digest format. > > Yes, as mentioned, all Pacbell email goes through Yahoo. In the morning > before downloading my pacbell (att) email, I go into Yahoo and clean out > all the junk email. Now, the Rootsweb mail never shows up in Yahoo. I > wish Rootsweb would solve this issue, if they can, with Yahoo. > -- > Pat Connors >

I was thinking the same thing. As "owners" aren't we supposed to model how to post appropriately? Just saying.... Sherry Landa (Slough, UK) CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE

I know that I will probably get stomped on by the powers that be for having the temerity of castigating my fellow List members, but, too bad. Someone needs to point out the following: CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE especially when replying to a digest format message. A subject of "[FTM-TECH] Re: FTM-TECH Digest, Vol 12, Issue 12" is not only meaningless but is also annoying, and does nothing to get your message read. Also PLEASE TRIM these messages to remove the parts that do not apply to the reply.. STOP BEING SO DAMN LAZY PEOPLE!! Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ianmarr.net.au_&d=DwIDAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=ztmQsF1t4D-z50weLRVgY15kVTmMLjM4gtQHZiontzA&s=ayR3uuNJhInya6bXAmHT_TctDKp0LIwemZ7SWp6ituI&e= Allansford Weather (10 min updates): https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ianmarr.net.au_Weather_&d=DwIDAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=ztmQsF1t4D-z50weLRVgY15kVTmMLjM4gtQHZiontzA&s=SBqNlGsw05A8ZMoemHa71KRYS0szFF-Pdw-NEVxZhfw&e= Family Tree (Ancestry): http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/66493449/family/pedigree?cfpid=48155438646&selnode=1 Family Tree (TribalPages): https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__marrwatts.tribalpages.com_&d=DwIDAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=ztmQsF1t4D-z50weLRVgY15kVTmMLjM4gtQHZiontzA&s=snW5U1fg14MK4qiE0CTgsYjvwE6ZCBq30yIGBegUMes&e=

I realized last month that I was no longer receiving Rootsweb posts on this account.  As a listowner, I used two email accounts and have single posts sent to my Google email address and had digests sent to this (pacbell) account.  I contacted Anne thinking it was a Rootsweb problem when I noticed I was not longer receiving Rootsweb email on this account and she suggested I open another email account and I opened Outlook and now have the digests sent there.  I am not happy with Outlook but it serves the purpose where I can check what the digests look like and get this list again which I get in digest format. Yes, as mentioned, all Pacbell email goes through Yahoo.  In the morning before downloading my pacbell (att) email, I go into Yahoo and clean out all the junk email.  Now, the Rootsweb mail never shows up in Yahoo.  I wish Rootsweb would solve this issue, if they can, with Yahoo. -- Pat Connors https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.connorsgenealogy.com&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=3CrXnbEhbYnuXiu1gaI5KFKk8orbTJX1OSPBadfSEyQ&s=TBYTiwsBn_L64UTBX0HZvhPqIHuUg6QLqJkqSACRB7M&e=

Thank you to all that responded. I appreciate the information. I have 22 (at)sbcglobal.net listers. I polled them to see if they are getting posts. Haven't had much response, but so far: - 2 not receiving posts for some time - 1 receiving posts - 2 non-deliverables So, I hope more respond. A little bit of trivia - out of approximately 800 listers, - about 200 are GMAIL - about 100 are various YAHOO addresses - COMCAST, AOL and HOTMAIL each have about 50 listers Darlene D

This kind of thing happens when people accidentally or intentionally mark an email as spam, not realizing they need to unsubscribe. It use to be that when an email got marked as spam by a certain amount of people using the same provider, the next level up the food chain of the user's provider would black ball the email address. The more it got marked as spam, the higher up the food chain the email address got blocked. It takes time and money to go back in to these black lists to remove email addresses from black lists. I believe that this is what is going on with AT&T and their many levels of email providers. This has been an ongoing problem for years with other providers. Unless each user is willing to contact their provider and ask that the email address be removed from the black lists, or rootsweb goes to each of the providers requesting that it be removed, nothing will happen. When a company I worked for had this happen, it took me many hours on both the phone, writing letters and emails to get their email removed from the black lists. It is difficult and takes time. Jan B (ex-computer tech for domain/email/web pages/computer networks.) On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM <breace@topsider.net> wrote: > I have seen similar problems on my GCSGA Mailing list, with about 10 out > of 50 users not getting the monthly note. Some have AT&T or Bellsouth > Email addresses, but some have Gmail, and there appear to be some in the > group with AT&T who are getting the notices each month. > > Ideas? > ============================ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:10:44 -0000 > From: "Darlene Dimitrie" <dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> > Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20180928181044.16106.23820@mmlive.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Does anyone know why this is happening and when to expect a resolution? > Has Ancestry/Rootsweb posted anything about it? > Darlene > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:35:56 -0700 > From: Dan M <mygenrw2@gmail.com> > Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts > To: Listowners List Posting <listowners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAMNKTDPkpVsDRSg9owrwoiG8UaVuHHUf5V9V_XYf34oFEn9wcA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Someone used to do that when we started on rw back in the good old days > when everything worked. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 8:12 AM DVHH Mailing List Administrator < > dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not > receiving > posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't > even > get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through > Rootsweb, > the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. > I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed > them > directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received > any > responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > > She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, > which > should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by > any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH > member email address and everyone got it. > > Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems > recently? > > Thank you. > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene D > DVHH Mailing List Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > ****************** > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=g3BjyRNdSdLvBp0Nzi7aDHh9GUr9PKPIPMkxYzO3dfA&s=dvUX4wxlc2pFIzZtySFC7GZwgIJ4WdCBt0fLhPAZBZY&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=g3BjyRNdSdLvBp0Nzi7aDHh9GUr9PKPIPMkxYzO3dfA&s=XbZIJvgTUv-rSoLV_zRaXxGdD_a0ldlsNkj2PZ6nC-M&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=g3BjyRNdSdLvBp0Nzi7aDHh9GUr9PKPIPMkxYzO3dfA&s=Ew1D6CBYKNTLzwDS_yn9WaVZhacnVkBZYVwdlVnS8No&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I have seen similar problems on my GCSGA Mailing list, with about 10 out of 50 users not getting the monthly note. Some have AT&T or Bellsouth Email addresses, but some have Gmail, and there appear to be some in the group with AT&T who are getting the notices each month. Ideas? ============================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:10:44 -0000 From: "Darlene Dimitrie" <dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts To: listowners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20180928181044.16106.23820@mmlive.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Does anyone know why this is happening and when to expect a resolution? Has Ancestry/Rootsweb posted anything about it? Darlene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:35:56 -0700 From: Dan M <mygenrw2@gmail.com> Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts To: Listowners List Posting <listowners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAMNKTDPkpVsDRSg9owrwoiG8UaVuHHUf5V9V_XYf34oFEn9wcA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Someone used to do that when we started on rw back in the good old days when everything worked. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 8:12 AM DVHH Mailing List Administrator < dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not receiving posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH member email address and everyone got it. Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems recently? Thank you. ----------------------------------------------- Darlene D DVHH Mailing List Administrator _______________________________________________ ******************

Does anyone know why this is happening and when to expect a resolution? Has Ancestry/Rootsweb posted anything about it? Darlene

Someone used to do that when we started on rw back in the good old days when everything worked. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 8:12 AM DVHH Mailing List Administrator < dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not > receiving > posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even > get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, > the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. > I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them > directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any > responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > > She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which > should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by > any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH > member email address and everyone got it. > > Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems > recently? > > Thank you. > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene D > DVHH Mailing List Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=1UWwfjk-ZMw4oPU9jCTewzN6RHho9QPOmxxDlfqWViY&s=gHxGD1iTSFguFx63VoWiGY9w0a_dBPQw1IUd-j2ax3E&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=1UWwfjk-ZMw4oPU9jCTewzN6RHho9QPOmxxDlfqWViY&s=la_ho6k06PgURKkPCUUjRzEzw-ZG52IuBuSJfHUnMt4&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=1UWwfjk-ZMw4oPU9jCTewzN6RHho9QPOmxxDlfqWViY&s=ihN29j6CUI9QJKgBUulTHr60ntStY_6MgCWlnCkN400&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I am NOT an expert at this sort of issue and do not pretend to be, but in 20+ years as a list admin I have run into this sort of thing more than a couple of times including at least once when my own ISP (Earthlink) took to banning RootsWeb's domain supposedly as "a spammer." I called them (my ISP) as a subscriber and told them RW is not a spammer and complained to them as clearly as I could without (I hope) turning my own ISP against me. However, I think what did the most good was when SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY contacted the ISP each time and was told what the specific issue was "professional to professional" so they could resolve the issue between them. Usually, it took a few days for us to see the end results but they never were able to tell us what "tweaks and settings" had to be changed, so I cannot go into any details on that. Keep in mind that with all of the changes, upgrades and other things going on at RW right now, service providers sometimes react thinking they are blocking spam or the like and what they do does not always mesh well with RW being a legitimate mass mailer. I know I am not explaining this well because I don't entirely understand it myself, but someone in RW Tech Support needs to contact someone at AT&T (if they are the company blocking RW) and work it out "mano y mano" between themselves. David -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 11:39 AM To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: annerootsweb@gmail.com Subject: [LO] Re: ISP @sbcglobal.net - not receiving posts Yes. AT&T stopped accepting mail from RootsWeb.com around mid August. AT&T includes att.net, sbcglobal.net, swbell.net, and probably some others owned by AT&T that don't come to mind right now. I have complained three times to AT&T but it had no effect. I had to change all of my list subscriptions and list ownerships in order to get list and administrative mail. Pat Asher (who used to use pjroots@att.net for list mail) At 11:11 AM 9/28/2018, DVHH Mailing List Administrator wrote: >Hello everyone, > >We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not >receiving posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. >She didn't even get the welcome email. She belongs to another email >list through Rootsweb, the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. >I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed >them directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not >received any responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > >She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, >which should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not >received by any of them. I tested sending to this address separately >from my DVHH member email address and everyone got it. > >Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems recently?

If it means anything, sbcglobal uses a Yahoo mail server. Gene At 10:11 AM 9/28/2018, DVHH Mailing List Administrator wrote: >Hello everyone, > >We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not receiving >posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even >get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, >the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. >I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them >directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any >responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > >She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which >should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by >any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH >member email address and everyone got it. > >Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems recently? > >Thank you. > >----------------------------------------------- >Darlene D >DVHH Mailing List Administrator > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=KumzwnOBgJ2rHic6uFoVplZgMxtN9vzjiOPgKYdYoq4&s=Qfn8sFeiPoPuv-rOsqzsCFyhONodQ7f3Ns5DbGghE4Q&e= >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=KumzwnOBgJ2rHic6uFoVplZgMxtN9vzjiOPgKYdYoq4&s=uURdhDy1s3PAT7TAtm0Jf2dsXsqBmEkeVoWuNVWySW8&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=KumzwnOBgJ2rHic6uFoVplZgMxtN9vzjiOPgKYdYoq4&s=eBn_4gmVG08V0-h5Xlm93WMMzb0s86Gby3NCUdy6Fm8&e= >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=KumzwnOBgJ2rHic6uFoVplZgMxtN9vzjiOPgKYdYoq4&s=_2-2oMcAv7SSSMupfh6BGHqzPgWAL79SU7UqjAUQoP0&e=

Yes. AT&T stopped accepting mail from RootsWeb.com around mid August. AT&T includes att.net, sbcglobal.net, swbell.net, and probably some others owned by AT&T that don't come to mind right now. I have complained three times to AT&T but it had no effect. I had to change all of my list subscriptions and list ownerships in order to get list and administrative mail. Pat Asher (who used to use pjroots@att.net for list mail) At 11:11 AM 9/28/2018, DVHH Mailing List Administrator wrote: >Hello everyone, > >We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not receiving >posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even >get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, >the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. >I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them >directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any >responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. > >She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which >should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by >any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH >member email address and everyone got it. > >Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems recently?

Hello everyone, We have a list member who uses the ISP @sbcglobal.net, who is not receiving posts. I tried unsubscribing her and re-subscribing her. She didn't even get the welcome email. She belongs to another email list through Rootsweb, the BANAT list and is not receiving posts from there either. I have about 20 other list members who use this ISP. I have emailed them directly from my admin/owner email address and so far have not received any responses, except a couple of non-deliverable notifications. She also sent an email to donauschwaben-villages-admin@rootsweb.com, which should have gone to 4 different email addresses, but was not received by any of them. I tested sending to this address separately from my DVHH member email address and everyone got it. Has anyone else had any issues with this ISP? or similar problems recently? Thank you. ----------------------------------------------- Darlene D DVHH Mailing List Administrator

All of the lists default to be Open, unless the owner changes them to Moderate It is very possible as we were moving systems a few weeks back as well as bringing the systems down and back up as we do back up and maintenance procedures, so messages got stuck in queues. I would just check your lists and clear them out. Anne On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 6:16 PM Valorie Zimmerman < valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> wrote: > Ummmm.... > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:59 PM Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> wrote: > > > At 04:44 PM 9/26/2018, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > >Oh, I'm one of the admins of Listowners list too, and have been for > > several > > >years. Up until this new version of the list software, some lists had a > > >public list of subscribers. I believe that is now not possible. > > > > Valorie, The list can be OPEN, so anyone can subscribe, or it can be > > set to MODERATE, so you have to approve each subscription manually. > > Since this list is for Listowners only, the only way I can think of > > for you to verify is to write to the potential subscription address > > manually, and at the same time, write to > > name-of-the-list-owner@rootsweb.com to get a verification. > > > > > > Pat Asher > > > > How would I know that a random address is used by the admin for any random > list? I suppose I could write to each address and ask them what list they > admin, but dang, that sounds like work. > > Valorie > -- > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_valoriez&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=9tQkMsrM6KrJuGhkGRRRAHMS8NrgJnGblvreN17wkIc&s=QAYnmtVPd4XPQfIoznlyl8KS-jXtsqkN-SRIiGknoHE&e= > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-pDkSdzV65pbBseLlGnnUCBqc-mKLlOf5dZmzu-tKOk&s=O98X2O1wq7IyHb_XGR1I46I3BWYbn2Or6iF-WSkuU9g&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-pDkSdzV65pbBseLlGnnUCBqc-mKLlOf5dZmzu-tKOk&s=rMOcoR2eKAXiJ-ewY_s3epK0p0VcKQiwOJQQTpoIz0s&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=-pDkSdzV65pbBseLlGnnUCBqc-mKLlOf5dZmzu-tKOk&s=hJ2MahR1u5VUlCjQ6qXM2sZckJizy-NH3Crh_MRDSds&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I know where the problem is, I just need to get someone to fix it. :-( On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:40 PM Fortney, James T. <Jim@fortney.org> wrote: > Anne - > > If it helps you investigate how things are working, the FORTNEY List > received 5 gateway messages today. I will leave them on hold for 48 > hours in case you want to look at them. > > - JimF > > > > At 9/20/2018 10:09 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote: > >Deleted all gatewayed messages. I am working to prevent those from coming > >through. > > > >Anne > > > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:45 AM Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS < > >listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > What's going on here? > > > > > > We have been told that gatewayed messages are not coming back. > > > > > > I just received the message below. > > > > > > See the screenshots for what followed. I have not clicked on the link > in > > > the > > > second screenshot. Clicking on the first was risky enough. Nor have I > done > > > anything with it. I certainly won't be approving it but thought it > best to > > > leave it there pending clarification. > > > > > > Anne > > > ANGUS and MORAY List Administrator > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: moray-owner@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-owner@rootsweb.com] > > > Sent: 19 September 2018 11:29 > > > To: moray-owner@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: moray@rootsweb.com post from ancestry@email.ancestry.com > requires > > > approval > > > > > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following > > > mailing list posting: > > > > > > List: moray@rootsweb.com > > > From: ancestry@email.ancestry.com > > > Subject: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this > mailing > > > list. > > > > > > The message is being held because: > > > > > > N/A > > > > > > At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the > request. > > > > > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/moray@rootsweb.com/held_messages > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=vATPmQKe1PYwb7N7XLTepAsi9RrjJuBV8JBOsAZIOvA&s=YXUy5uIRBvinW6cU-PbN4cr2WqVJyNBjbyKjAJx2aPM&e= > > > Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > > > Privacy Statement: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=vATPmQKe1PYwb7N7XLTepAsi9RrjJuBV8JBOsAZIOvA&s=c85I1UZpXoNcuBujl197Di2AGG-NPwJ4FQRiTKNJ-rM&e= > > Terms and Conditions: > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=vATPmQKe1PYwb7N7XLTepAsi9RrjJuBV8JBOsAZIOvA&s=IsZZDSspT_iRQdSGqpoae0zpnKGocssyMXy1xiZseHk&e= > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > > community > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Email preferences: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=rUU0eYfzFHamWXzxMlrDOWwMaAGtPCtZf_DDK1NPsWs&s=4XfheIGbP8smq-umSO1n_AWeHF_MYWV6rrtcmmDYlyw&e= > >Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > >Privacy Statement: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=rUU0eYfzFHamWXzxMlrDOWwMaAGtPCtZf_DDK1NPsWs&s=r-bMoZ_xJCjv3fu94CxPOc2KPHimzZCBD4e3fbszo3o&e= > Terms and Conditions: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=rUU0eYfzFHamWXzxMlrDOWwMaAGtPCtZf_DDK1NPsWs&s=NnDLfuJNvYqpe83A1dq3Jmo5nS2cUqThdMUXlZ1W5ns&e= > >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb community > > -------------------------------------------- > James T. 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Ummmm.... On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:59 PM Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> wrote: > At 04:44 PM 9/26/2018, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > >Oh, I'm one of the admins of Listowners list too, and have been for > several > >years. Up until this new version of the list software, some lists had a > >public list of subscribers. I believe that is now not possible. > > Valorie, The list can be OPEN, so anyone can subscribe, or it can be > set to MODERATE, so you have to approve each subscription manually. > Since this list is for Listowners only, the only way I can think of > for you to verify is to write to the potential subscription address > manually, and at the same time, write to > name-of-the-list-owner@rootsweb.com to get a verification. > > > Pat Asher > How would I know that a random address is used by the admin for any random list? I suppose I could write to each address and ask them what list they admin, but dang, that sounds like work. Valorie -- https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_valoriez&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=QqKR_1oid-wv3O1GFus6ukhkWVArI2oTvHi2_JUm6dE&m=9tQkMsrM6KrJuGhkGRRRAHMS8NrgJnGblvreN17wkIc&s=QAYnmtVPd4XPQfIoznlyl8KS-jXtsqkN-SRIiGknoHE&e=