Hmmm. Well, I will try it as a temporary measure but as you say it's extremely unsatisfactory. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 23:57 To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval My answers below. On 10/31/2018 6:37 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen > times and it makes not a blind bit of difference. > > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual > poster separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred > subscribers, and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing > to require of me or of any other admin. Yes, that is what I was suggesting, and I agree it is unreasonable. I think if you go back in the archives you will find this same discussion and that was the suggested solution. I think it works for my lists, but I could be wrong. I certainly did not do it for all subscribers. Just a few including myself. > > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting > I have set to do what I have set it to do. Boy, that would be nice. > > Anne > >

On Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:14:26 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> HTH, Malcolm. > I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. Oh well, second wild guess - what have you got the message size limit set to? If this is under about 15kb then the recent explosion of header lines will cause pretty near every message to be caught as oversize ... but then I would expect that one to be explicitly stated in the reason for moderation even though many causes still show as N/A. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Austen [mailto:malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk] Sent: 01 November 2018 10:16 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval > It sounds to me like it *is* doing exactly what you have set it to do. The options in List Settings, Message acceptance do not say they will force that option on every list member. It *does* say it will set the default > action for the list. No, it is not doing what I have set it to do. I have set the default action for the list to accept immediately any messages from members. It is, however, holding for approval all messages from members, which is the exact opposite of what it is set to do. > If, for some reason, members of the list have been set (by the admin, past or present) to have a message acceptance rule that overrides the default, then changes to the default setting will not change how > their messages are dealt with. I have been admin of the ANGUS List for 12 years, and I have only ever set one list member on moderation. That person was subsequently banned altogether and is not subscribed under any known address. > Go to the options for one of the members who are being held, scroll down to the final Admin Options section. If that is not set to 'Default processing' or 'List default' (I suspect those two mean the same thing) > then that setting overrides the list default. Not one single one of those I have looked at is set to anything other than 'default processing', apart from one or two I have experimentally set individually this morning. 'Default action to take when a member posts to the list' is set to 'Accept immediately (bypass other rules)'. > HTH, Malcolm. I'm afraid it doesn't, but thank you for trying. Anne

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:37:27 -0000, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times > and > it makes not a blind bit of difference. > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster > separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred > subscribers, > and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of > me or > of any other admin. > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I > have set to do what I have set it to do. It sounds to me like it *is* doing exactly what you have set it to do. The options in List Settings, Message acceptance do not say they will force that option on every list member. It *does* say it will set the default action for the list. If, for some reason, members of the list have been set (by the admin, past or present) to have a message acceptance rule that overrides the default, then changes to the default setting will not change how their messages are dealt with. Go to the options for one of the members who are being held, scroll down to the final Admin Options section. If that is not set to 'Default processing' or 'List default' (I suspect those two mean the same thing) then that setting overrides the list default. HTH, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

Yes they tell you exactly why they are being held. You're probably not looking in the right place. All you have to do is scroll down in the notification past the header lines till you get near the bottom. Near the bottom is line that starts X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: Whatever follows that is the reason the message was held. Gene At 06:37 PM 10/31/2018, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: >They do NOT say why they are being held, and I have set and re-set the >acceptance to "accept immediately" until I am blue in the face and it makes >not one iota of difference. > >Anne > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Asher [mailto:pasher@ee.net] >Sent: 31 October 2018 22:20 >To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators ><listowners@rootsweb.com> >Cc: Angus Administrator <angus.admin@btinternet.com> >Subject: Re: [LO] Subscriber messages are still being held for approval > >At 05:51 PM 10/31/2018, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: >>At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. >> >>But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from >>subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. >> >>This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be >>sorted out soon please? > >WHY are they being held for approval? The notices sent to you, the admin, >specify the reason. That is what you have to sort out, possibly adjusting >your list settings. > >Pat A. > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >https://www.avg.com

You need to let Anne Mitchell know and ask her to have the problem fixed. If you're getting notifications about held messages, be sure to send her one of them. Lynne Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS <listowners@rootsweb.com>wrote: > >I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times and >it makes not a blind bit of difference. > >I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster >separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred subscribers, >and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of me or >of any other admin. > >I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I >have set to do what I have set it to do. > >Anne >

My answers below. On 10/31/2018 6:37 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times and > it makes not a blind bit of difference. > > I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster > separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred subscribers, > and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of me or > of any other admin. Yes, that is what I was suggesting, and I agree it is unreasonable.  I think if you go back in the archives you will find this same discussion and that was the suggested solution.  I think it works for my lists, but I could be wrong.  I certainly did not do it for all subscribers.  Just a few including myself. > > I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I > have set to do what I have set it to do. Boy, that would be nice. > > Anne > >

They do NOT say why they are being held, and I have set and re-set the acceptance to "accept immediately" until I am blue in the face and it makes not one iota of difference. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher [mailto:pasher@ee.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 22:20 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: Angus Administrator <angus.admin@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [LO] Subscriber messages are still being held for approval At 05:51 PM 10/31/2018, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: >At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > >But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from >subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > >This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be >sorted out soon please? WHY are they being held for approval? The notices sent to you, the admin, specify the reason. That is what you have to sort out, possibly adjusting your list settings. Pat A.

I have set it to 'accept immediately (bypass other rules)" umpteen times and it makes not a blind bit of difference. I hope you are not suggesting that I have to set every individual poster separately, because I have two Lists, each with several hundred subscribers, and that isn't a sensible, practical or reasonable thing to require of me or of any other admin. I am not asking for the earth, moon and stars. I just want the setting I have set to do what I have set it to do. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] Sent: 31 October 2018 23:12 To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] Re: Subscriber messages are still being held for approval If you want you can go to Member Options for your main posters and set Administration options to Accept Immediately (Bypass Other Rules). That might work. Mike On 10/31/2018 4:51 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > > But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from > subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > > This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be > sorted out soon please? > > Anne > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If you want you can go to Member Options for your main posters and set Administration options to Accept Immediately (Bypass Other Rules). That might work. Mike On 10/31/2018 4:51 PM, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: > At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > > But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from > subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > > This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted > out soon please? > > Anne >

At 05:51 PM 10/31/2018, Angus Administrator via LISTOWNERS wrote: >At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. > >But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from >subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. > >This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted >out soon please? WHY are they being held for approval? The notices sent to you, the admin, specify the reason. That is what you have to sort out, possibly adjusting your list settings. Pat A.

At long last my ANGUS list has received some posts from members. But in spite of me having set it to accept immediately posts from subscribers, it is still holding them for my approval. This is OK when there is a just a handful of posts, but will it be sorted out soon please? Anne

Give this a try In Windows firefox Save the link point to it RIGHT click under properties location go to the end and delete the date save without the date it should come to the current entries every time

As an ATT emailer, I am getting posts again from the lists, however, the lists, themselves, are very slow.  I am trying to revive them and so far my Armagh list (Ireland) is very busy and my Scotland list is also.  My NYC lists keep going because a few members are always posting. However, as a listowners, we need to do the nudging to get a steady stream going.  Remember, these lists have had major disruptions and our listers have found other places to get their help, so we need to start getting them back by posting often and starting 'what is your favorite genealogy site?" or 'who in your tree that you cannot find?' etc. -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

My wife just mentioned this morning that the she isn't getting mail from the county lists she is used to regularly (and she has this year since things started back up) I check list archives regularly, hoping they'll be restored, sometimes I get only recent results but usually get a 404 error, it all seems pretty broke. Randy On 10/26/2018 10:54 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > Sorry folks, I obviously received a reply to my own post below so it appears things are working. It sure seems odd not receiving whatsoever in a day or so like that though. ☹ > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > >

Sorry folks, I obviously received a reply to my own post below so it appears things are working. It sure seems odd not receiving whatsoever in a day or so like that though. ☹ David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: David E. Cann <decann@infionline.net> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:39 PM To: Listowners List Posting <listowners@rootsweb.com> Cc: RW List Project Manager <rwmailinglists@ancestry.com>; Anne G. Mitchell <amitchell@ancestry.com>; Anne G. Mitchell <annegmitchell@gmail.com> Subject: [LO] Are the lists not working AGAIN? Are the lists not accepting mail again? I have received no list mode mail and only a single digest in 24 hours from any list. Is the mail not flowing once again already? David E. Cann decann@infionline.net _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Are the lists not accepting mail again? I have received no list mode mail and only a single digest in 24 hours from any list. Is the mail not flowing once again already? David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Good news. The SBCGLOBAL account is now receiving mail from *both* of her RW lists! Thank you. Darlene On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 01:02, DVHH Mailing List Administrator < dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com> wrote: > Making progress - my sbcglobal mailing list member got a post from one of > her lists today for the first time in long while. Her other list had no > posts today, so we're waiting with our fingers crossed for tomorrow! > Thank you Anne M & RW crew. > Darlene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:54 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LO] I am happy to announce, > > that I just got home from shopping and found my ATT account is now > receiving Rootsweb mail!! Thank you so much, Anne Mitchell! > -- > Pat Connors > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >

I sent the email - no response. I have written Anne a few days ago. I'll wait for her reply. Thanks much, Sandi

There used to be a link where you could go to delete your own posts, and where you could recommend someone else's post be deleted. The person whose message it was would get a notice suggesting it be deleted. If they failed to do so, RootsWeb staff used to check these unfinished requests and make the deletion. It was really handy for tidying up the list archive, not just to remove spam or objectionable messages, but to remove things like people asking the admin to change their email address or other stuff that shouldn't have been sent to the list. That link died some time ago. Anyone know if the feature is still available? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Flannigan [mailto:mikeflan@att.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 9:32 PM > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LO] Re: Link for list archives is a little odd? > > > That date problem was once described on this list > as being due to something like this: > > If the computer of the person who is posting > thinks it is Feb 7, 2067, then that year and > month is used to create the date links in the > archives. > > Interestingly, the person who made the post can > delete the post from the archives, but the > list admin cannot. If I remember right many on > the list thought that was the way it should be. > > If all the posts in a year-month link are deleted > I don't know if that gets rid of the faulty year-month > link. > > > Reference this: > https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/listowners.rootsweb.com > > > Mike > > > On 10/21/2018 8:19 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > Yes, that's what it looks like is happening. > > > > Now, you only have the problem of the screwed up years in the archive... > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Keith Meintjes [mailto:kmeintjes@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:20 PM > >> To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators > >> Subject: [LO] Re: Link for list archives is a little odd? > >> > >> Thank you, I understand what is going on. > >> > >> Strip out the date 2018/10/ > >> > >> <https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/south- > >> africa.rootsweb.com/2018/10/> > >> > >> and > >> you have a link that will always go to current messages. I think. > >> > >> Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/listowners@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community