Is there a command for moderating messages on my list? I want to delete spam before it goes out to the group. Thanks

M Nickless wrote: > Try sending your message in “Plain Text�. Not long ago I > found that was the answer to the same problem for me – sending > messages, but they weren’t showing up. No idea where they went > as I never got any ‘reject’ notices. I suspect that was a different issue because SORBS will bounce any message from any domain whether it is in plain text or HTML/RTF if the domain is listed by them as being a spammer irrespective of the accuracy of that listing. If SORBS had bounced your mails, you would have had a reject notice unless Comcast were treating the bounces as spam! LOL All messages to all and any list should be in plain text anyway. That's a Rootsweb rule. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Makes an interesting circle. To bad the culprits who start this crap cant loose a few fingers. To bad it cant be traced and special troops go there and clean house no matter where in the world it was created. Okk lol ya I see every ones point. But mod stops those post and then removing them will stop future contamination but as for the current post was already delivered and for those people unsmart you dont open un anouced pic or link had already opened it. Damage done. So now we have those people to deal with. Mod vs unsub is great in stopping future posts but that poor person who has not learned the (donts) is already trapped. Would maybe be possible to make a global filter for those links? some links I have folders for. Thats how I catch a lot...I made a folder for a copy of all messages with php links I get to preview those. Some php links are safe like my photo pages and lots of others but in any case the overbearing copies are spam. I go and mod them. How ever as you mentioned some list admins dont. So I guess Its better to remove because he dont know who might have used mod any way. Guess I was on a one way thought when I posted. On Feb 1, 2012 7:39 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > ** > We DO do that and Gerhard's notice when he unsubs the person explains what > they need to do to resolve the problem. The infected emails that hit the > list from these hijacked accounts have an affect on more than just the > poster...they can result in other subscribers becoming infected if they > click the links blindly without thinking and it also can get other innocent > people unsubbed from lists if they accidentally report the spam as BEING > SPAM to to their ISP and the ISP reports back to RootsWeb that this person > said RW mail was spam. > > Joan > > In a message dated 2/1/2012 10:35:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mygenrw2@gmail.com writes: > > Problem is the person who spammed the list most likely did not originate > that mesage or even know it was sent but suffers getting removed for > something they did not do and that was why we had MOD in the first place so > then now in this case what good is a list admin if we cant mod these people > and work with them getting repaired?? I can understand this if all lists > had no admin to use MOD. > Just my ideas. > >

Problem is the person who spammed the list most likely did not originate that mesage or even know it was sent but suffers getting removed for something they did not do and that was why we had MOD in the first place so then now in this case what good is a list admin if we cant mod these people and work with them getting repaired?? I can understand this if all lists had no admin to use MOD. Just my ideas. On Jan 31, 2012 5:53 PM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > David- > > I agree -- I completely respect the job Gerhard is doing. In most cases it > works and informs the subscriber of the problem AND gives them a list of > all their lists so they can resubscribe when they fix the problem. > > I just happened to run into a couple who resubbed without fixing anything > and the spam started again right away too. Of course, they were then > unsubbed globally again. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 1/31/2012 8:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > Joan, > It hasn't happened to me yet. I get notices from Gerhard all the times, > when the spams hit the lists, Gerhard knows which lists the subscriber > is on, and remove from all lists the person is subscribed to. he > subscriber is not blocked at all. > > What he is doing, is far more effective than singular efforts because > there are listadmins who don't really watch their lists. > > Bottom line, it looks like you have one subscriber who ignored Gerhard. > > W. David Samuelsen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Standard practice, Carl ... I've had this happen in a few of my lists from time to time, and I also like it, PSW Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -----Original Message----- From: "Carl Hommel" <chommel6@comcast.net> Sender: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:25:32 To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com<Listowners-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LO] List Spammer Removal This has nothing to do with previous post. Last week a subscriber to one of my Lists posted a message to the List which my personal filter said was "a threat". I immediately put the subscriber on mod, and told my List not to open it. Then I commenced the archive removal scheme, which worked OK. I received a confirmation in a few hours, and the message is gone from the archives. Now the funny thing, which I have never heard of before. Today I received a copy of an E-Mail Message from Listmaster at Rootsweb, addressed to the spammer, which started out saying "I am the person at RootsWeb who is responsible for the overall management of the mailing lists we provide for the genealogical community." He went on to say that he was deleting the spammer from ALL his subscribed Lists, and then listed them all, and it was quite a long list! And I received E-Mail that the spammer was deleted from my List. Is this something new? I quite approve. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carl Hommel wrote: > This has nothing to do with previous post. > Last week a subscriber to one of my Lists posted a message to the List which > my personal filter said was "a threat". I immediately put the subscriber on > mod, and told my List not to open it. Then I commenced the archive removal > scheme, which worked OK. I received a confirmation in a few hours, and the > message is gone from the archives. > Now the funny thing, which I have never heard of before. Today I received a > copy of an E-Mail Message from Listmaster at Rootsweb, addressed to the > spammer, [...] He went on > to say that he was deleting the spammer from ALL his subscribed Lists, and > then listed them all, and it was quite a long list! And I received E-Mail > that the spammer was deleted from my List. > Is this something new? I quite approve. New one on me as well. It's possible the mail advising a list member they'd been globally unsubbed isn't new, just the advisory to list admins. I don't agree with that nor the listing of the lists to all admins. I've had mails saying the matter had been dealt with. I think that's sufficient really. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Carl Hommel wrote: > Someone today sent E-Mail to about a dozen different Admin addresses, > including one of mine. The spammer is not a subscriber to my list. The > address ended in @ ataportfog.com.tr > Should I report this to anyone (other than you-all)? No, it's just common or garden spam, fir only for the compost bin. I get several of those a day. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

David- I agree -- I completely respect the job Gerhard is doing. In most cases it works and informs the subscriber of the problem AND gives them a list of all their lists so they can resubscribe when they fix the problem. I just happened to run into a couple who resubbed without fixing anything and the spam started again right away too. Of course, they were then unsubbed globally again. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 8:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Joan, It hasn't happened to me yet. I get notices from Gerhard all the times, when the spams hit the lists, Gerhard knows which lists the subscriber is on, and remove from all lists the person is subscribed to. he subscriber is not blocked at all. What he is doing, is far more effective than singular efforts because there are listadmins who don't really watch their lists. Bottom line, it looks like you have one subscriber who ignored Gerhard. W. David Samuelsen

Yup, that's right. If you are trying to get mail FROM RootsWeb at Earthlink (or allied) domains, it is being blocked at the server level. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 8:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gnphllps@comcast.net writes: So that's what's going on. I wasn't getting list messages so I used password central, but never got the message with my subscriptions. Gene

Earthlink is blocking mail from RootsWeb lists. RootsWeb staff is working on this problem. You can POST to lists as long as you don't bounce off but you won't receive any list mail until the matter is resolved. Apparently Earthlink is using SORBS as a spam fighter and it is no more reliable for them than it was back when RootsWeb used it. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 7:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grenier@earthlink.net writes: I'm not getting any messages from Rootsweb. I sent some yesterday that have not shown up. Barbara

So that's what's going on. I wasn't getting list messages so I used password central, but never got the message with my subscriptions. Gene At 06:21 PM 1/31/2012, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >Earthlink is blocking mail from RootsWeb lists. RootsWeb staff is working >on this problem. You can POST to lists as long as you don't bounce off but >you won't receive any list mail until the matter is resolved. Apparently >Earthlink is using SORBS as a spam fighter and it is no more reliable for them >than it was back when RootsWeb used it. > >Joan > > >In a message dated 1/31/2012 7:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >grenier@earthlink.net writes: > >I'm not getting any messages from Rootsweb. I sent some yesterday >that have not shown up. > >Barbara > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, It hasn't happened to me yet. I get notices from Gerhard all the times, when the spams hit the lists, Gerhard knows which lists the subscriber is on, and remove from all lists the person is subscribed to. he subscriber is not blocked at all. What he is doing, is far more effective than singular efforts because there are listadmins who don't really watch their lists. Bottom line, it looks like you have one subscriber who ignored Gerhard. W. David Samuelsen On 1/31/2012 3:43 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > It isn't new. I get many copies of the global unsub notices from listmaster > when someone on one of my lists is responsible for spamming a number of > lists (because of a compromised account). > > I have mixed feelings about this approach. I appreciate the fact that the > listmaster is very attentive to these matters but on a couple occasions > this approach has backfired when the person with the compromised email account > has simply used the list of lists the listmaster sent him to REsubscribe to > all the lists without fixing the problem! Since I had placed the address > on moderation no further spam was hitting the lists until the person was > unsubbed and resubbed. This undid my moderation and new spam hit the list > again until I moderated again. :) > > Joan

It isn't new. I get many copies of the global unsub notices from listmaster when someone on one of my lists is responsible for spamming a number of lists (because of a compromised account). I have mixed feelings about this approach. I appreciate the fact that the listmaster is very attentive to these matters but on a couple occasions this approach has backfired when the person with the compromised email account has simply used the list of lists the listmaster sent him to REsubscribe to all the lists without fixing the problem! Since I had placed the address on moderation no further spam was hitting the lists until the person was unsubbed and resubbed. This undid my moderation and new spam hit the list again until I moderated again. :) Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 5:37:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charani.b@gmail.com writes: Carl Hommel wrote: > This has nothing to do with previous post. > Last week a subscriber to one of my Lists posted a message to the List which > my personal filter said was "a threat". I immediately put the subscriber on > mod, and told my List not to open it. Then I commenced the archive removal > scheme, which worked OK. I received a confirmation in a few hours, and the > message is gone from the archives. > Now the funny thing, which I have never heard of before. Today I received a > copy of an E-Mail Message from Listmaster at Rootsweb, addressed to the > spammer, [...] He went on > to say that he was deleting the spammer from ALL his subscribed Lists, and > then listed them all, and it was quite a long list! And I received E-Mail > that the spammer was deleted from my List. > Is this something new? I quite approve. New one on me as well. It's possible the mail advising a list member they'd been globally unsubbed isn't new, just the advisory to list admins. I don't agree with that nor the listing of the lists to all admins. I've had mails saying the matter had been dealt with. I think that's sufficient really. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This has nothing to do with previous post. Last week a subscriber to one of my Lists posted a message to the List which my personal filter said was "a threat". I immediately put the subscriber on mod, and told my List not to open it. Then I commenced the archive removal scheme, which worked OK. I received a confirmation in a few hours, and the message is gone from the archives. Now the funny thing, which I have never heard of before. Today I received a copy of an E-Mail Message from Listmaster at Rootsweb, addressed to the spammer, which started out saying "I am the person at RootsWeb who is responsible for the overall management of the mailing lists we provide for the genealogical community." He went on to say that he was deleting the spammer from ALL his subscribed Lists, and then listed them all, and it was quite a long list! And I received E-Mail that the spammer was deleted from my List. Is this something new? I quite approve.

Someone today sent E-Mail to about a dozen different Admin addresses, including one of mine. The spammer is not a subscriber to my list. The address ended in @ ataportfog.com.tr Should I report this to anyone (other than you-all)?

Try sending your message in “Plain Text”. Not long ago I found that was the answer to the same problem for me – sending messages, but they weren’t showing up. No idea where they went as I never got any ‘reject’ notices. From: Barbara & George Grenier Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:17 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] What's the matter? I'm not getting any messages from Rootsweb. I sent some yesterday that have not shown up. Barbara

I'm not getting any messages from Rootsweb. I sent some yesterday that have not shown up. Barbara

Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: > Due to conflict on the list, one of the subscribers states a post > was libelous and wants the thread deleted from the archives. How > would one determine the validity of this and/or go about this > deleting the thread if so determined? First of all, I'd put ALL parties who have contributed to the thread on mod status and tell them privately and individually that you have done so whilst you sort out the inappropriate behaviour if there is indeed inappropriate behaviour. (I did that when a former list member started a flame.) Once you have the parties sulking in the naughty corner, you can sort out the situation with the posts. Were the posts really libelous? Did they defame another person? Did they damage the other person's reputation? Was there any justification for the statements made? Or was it simply playground name calling and bickering? Is the complainer being petulant? Quite often someone will scream "libel" (or "slander") without justification and/or without fully understanding what actually constitutes libel or slander. The following quotes are taken from www.cyberlibel.com/libel.html <quote> What is the definition of libel? The classic definition is: "a publication without justification or lawful excuse which is calculated to injure the reputation of another by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule." (Parke, B. in Parmiter v. Coupland (1840) GM&W 105 at 108) </quote> <quote> In a libel action, the plaintiff must prove three elements of the tort of libel: The statement has been made to a third party. The statement referred to the plaintiff. (This does not mean that the statement has to refer expressly to the plaintiff. A statement can be actionable if it is reasonably capable of referring to the plaintiff). The statement must be defamatory, which means that it must be a false statement to the plaintiff's discredit. </quote> The site also has a long piece about Cyber Libel Issues which is too long to be quoted here but which is relevant. If you decide there is no problem with the comments, do nothing. It takes two to make an argument or flame. The complainer is as likely to be as guilty of creating/causing the problem as the person being complained about. If you decide there is a problem with some of the comments, initiate the removal process and tell the parties individually and privately to complete the process. If you decide there is a problem with the whole thread, ask Rootsweb to remove it in its entirety and tell the parties involved individually and privately the thread had been removed - but only when it actually has been! :)) None of the list members needs to know what action you have or have not taken against any other member. It's none of their business and any demands to know what you've done should be ignored. Leave the contributors to the thread on mod for a while until you can see they are behaving themselves, then quietly take them off without further comment. They'll soon figure out they are no longer on mod. You may get one or two unsubbing but that's their loss, not yours or the list's. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

One other point I just thought of. If you have two arguing individuals the removal tool could be used by one or both to harass the other...suppose I knew about it and was mad at another person...even though I couldn't remove their posts I could make their life miserable and initiate removal of every post they ever made. It is really best if the users don't even KNOW about this tool. If RootsWeb had wanted everyone to know it would be prominently up there on the help pages. If something like this situation comes up it is sufficient for the admin to help a person by initiating removal if they request their own post be removed. If they think someone else's posts are offensive or attacking them...they can always appeal to the HelpDesk or in this case the list admin. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 9:02:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: I was told long ago that we keep this on a need to know basis so as not to create a rush to remove to remove messages just because they are "old" or someone doesn't need the information they asked for any longer...it is an archive...like a record of what transpired on a given day and time on a list -- it isn't really meant to be tampered with but we do have to remember the posters OWN their posts. For the very reason RootsWeb doesn't include this removal form URL on the help pages -- we were supposed to only tell posters if and when they asked on a need to know basis. You would need to ask staff if this has changed...because I haven't seen any evidence that it has. Joan

I was told long ago that we keep this on a need to know basis so as not to create a rush to remove to remove messages just because they are "old" or someone doesn't need the information they asked for any longer...it is an archive...like a record of what transpired on a given day and time on a list -- it isn't really meant to be tampered with but we do have to remember the posters OWN their posts. For the very reason RootsWeb doesn't include this removal form URL on the help pages -- we were supposed to only tell posters if and when they asked on a need to know basis. You would need to ask staff if this has changed...because I haven't seen any evidence that it has. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2012 4:38:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: > From: JYoung6180@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:42 AM > <snip> > > Note that the above removal form URL should only be > given out on a need to know basis. > > Joan Why? I find my members like knowing they can remove a message if they need to, and I include how to do so in my list FAQs: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html#removal Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message