Rootsweb.com has allowed DNA lists connected to FTDNA on rootsweb.com that is just letting others know a new DNA list was developed. But they should have asked first... Nelda L. Percival - my websites http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: popsjackson@gmail.com > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:36:31 -0500 > Subject: [LO] The "New List" messages > > Those of you who have received messages concerning the New List > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/IRL-CORCA-LAIDHE-DNA.html > , have you complied with the request to announce the list on your related > lists? I have been reluctant to do so because of their relation with > FamilyTreeDNA which I do not believe is related to Rootsweb/Ancestry. Am I > just being paranoid? > > Jim
You could do the same quite easily by using the lists archives Why doesn't it happen on a grand scale? To much work as your suggestion would be, there are easier ways so why would they make life difficult for themselves ? Seems like there are some paranoid people out there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > What a great way to harvest e-mail addresses! > > Subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible and then collect all > the subscribers' addresses from received mail. A simple program > could be written to do this without actually having to read a single > message. Furthermore you never have to *send* a message so > moderation doesn't prevent this. > > Beware for what the future portends.... > > Cheers! -- Dave > > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
Paul L LeBlanc wrote: > > If IF was a skIFf we could go rowing. Interesting one. I've always heard, If my Grandma had wheels, she'd be a wagon. Cheryl
If IF was a skIFf we could go rowing. Let's stop playing What IF
Actually you COULD but you would have to do it manually...you couldn't do it with a spider which would read the code as noted below but not the actual addresses. Joan In a message dated 3/8/2012 6:23:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidcnaylor@gmail.com writes: On 8 Mar 2012 Nivard Ovington wrote: > You could do the same quite easily by using the lists archives WRONG!! -- addresses in the archives are obfuscated so need decoding. -- how mechanize downloading archived messages? -- archived addresses may no longer be valid -- spammers pay more for known-active addresses. Obviously it can be done using the archives but not "easily" and certainly not better than using live messages. Cheers! -- Dave -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
On 8 Mar 2012 Nivard Ovington wrote: > You could do the same quite easily by using the lists archives WRONG!! -- addresses in the archives are obfuscated so need decoding. -- how mechanize downloading archived messages? -- archived addresses may no longer be valid -- spammers pay more for known-active addresses. Obviously it can be done using the archives but not "easily" and certainly not better than using live messages. Cheers! -- Dave -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. ---
Yeah...and the last time (and it's been YEARS ago) I can recall someone subscribing for a nefarious purpose it wasn't to harvest email addresses for spamming. There are FAR easier ways to get addresses for mass spammers than subbing to mailing lists. I DO remember a mass subscriber quite a few years ago with a "strange" address subbing to gather list messages to archive the lists off RootsWeb which would be against RootsWeb's AUP and a violation of the posters' copyright. I seriously doubt that is happening at the present time but you never know. Joan In a message dated 3/8/2012 5:32:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lainee@earthlink.net writes: He/She/It joined my Yarber list which is pretty much dead...whatever they do is bound to be something! But if they are there to harvest there ain't nuffin to harvest! LOL Lainee
What a great way to harvest e-mail addresses! Subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible and then collect all the subscribers' addresses from received mail. A simple program could be written to do this without actually having to read a single message. Furthermore you never have to *send* a message so moderation doesn't prevent this. Beware for what the future portends.... Cheers! -- Dave -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. ---
He/She/It joined my Yarber list which is pretty much dead...whatever they do is bound to be something! But if they are there to harvest there ain't nuffin to harvest! LOL Lainee -----Original Message----- From: Kathie Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 4:23 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] strange address subbing List mail must be at an all time low to get paranoid about addresses from new subscribers. I thought this list was for assistance in list problems not potential ones. Life is too short to try and guess who is the big bad subscriber in advance. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Dave Naylor <davidcnaylor@gmail.com> wrote: > > What a great way to harvest e-mail addresses! > > Subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible and then collect all > the subscribers' addresses from received mail. A simple program > could be written to do this without actually having to read a single > message. Furthermore you never have to *send* a message so > moderation doesn't prevent this. > > Beware for what the future portends.... > > Cheers! -- Dave
On 3/8/2012 3:43 PM, Dave Naylor wrote: > What a great way to harvest e-mail addresses! > > Subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible and then collect all > the subscribers' addresses from received mail. A simple program > could be written to do this without actually having to read a single > message. Furthermore you never have to *send* a message so > moderation doesn't prevent this. > > Beware for what the future portends.... > > Cheers! -- Dave Quod erat demonstrandum. Darrell
List mail must be at an all time low to get paranoid about addresses from new subscribers. I thought this list was for assistance in list problems not potential ones. Life is too short to try and guess who is the big bad subscriber in advance. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Dave Naylor <davidcnaylor@gmail.com> wrote: > > What a great way to harvest e-mail addresses! > > Subscribe to as many mailing lists as possible and then collect all > the subscribers' addresses from received mail. A simple program > could be written to do this without actually having to read a single > message. Furthermore you never have to *send* a message so > moderation doesn't prevent this. > > Beware for what the future portends.... > > Cheers! -- Dave > > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. > --- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ~~~~~ Take care, Kathie Harrison Lancaster Co., NEGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nelancas/
On 3/8/2012 11:03 AM, P.S. & C.A. Wyant wrote: > Not that we need any more instances, but I have checked back in my > subscribes for the past month, and have found five subscriptions by > miguelmigsplus@gmail.com ... two are on moderately active lists, and three > on quite inactive lists. Very Odd. All are now on moderate, thanks to the > information provided by the LO List, > > PSW Hi: My apologies for what will probably come across as sarcastic; it isn't aimed at you in particular. But, I do not see anything that is even the tiniest bit odd in what you said, except that you think something is odd! Two things have been consistently reported on LO about this (very common-looking) address. 1. He has subscribed to a number of lists. 2. He hasn't done anything else. Now, I am *NOT* talking about admins who routinely moderate every new subscriber. That is an approach that I would never take myself, but at least I understand it. That is a system, a procedure. It does not require any speculation about what a new subscriber MIGHT be up to. What I am saying is that suspicion about this one innocuous looking address is spreading here on LO like news of a Mayflower passenger nobody had heard of before. Not everyone is buying it -- not everyone is even interested -- but it threatens to become one of those seeming "facts" that a lot of admins have at least heard about, always in a negative context. If someone subscribing and doing nothing is worthy of concern, then I have a awful lot of work to do with my member lists. I don't get it. It reminds me of the Veggie Tales episode, "The Rumor Weed". Darrell
i've had my list for only about 3 weeks, and that address was on the list when i took over. i have just the one list. scot In a message dated 3/8/2012 9:03:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, wyants@sasktel.net writes: > Not that we need any more instances, but I have checked back in my > subscribes for the past month, and have found five subscriptions by > miguelmigsplus@gmail.com ... two are on moderately active lists, and three > > on quite inactive lists. Very Odd. All are now on moderate, thanks to the > information provided by the LO List, > > PSW
He has subscribed to four of my lists over the past few weeks, which I've approved and put him on moderation immediately - as I do for all new members until they've posted and demonstrated that they're "genuine". By "genuine" I mean that I'm not fussy about what/how they post - anything about genealogy and on-topic for the list, which is not spam, passes my test. Most, including Migs, never post, of course. <sigh> Wendy Jim Jackson said the following on 8/03/2012 11:11 a.m.: > I have seen the address miguelmigsplus@gmail.com subscribe to quite a number > of lists I admin as well as those I serve as an assistant admin. A Google > search of that address comes up with a performer or a night club and I am > not sure what to make of this. I guess I should have sent him a note asking > about all the subs but have not as yet. > > Have any of you seen this address subscribing and do you know anything about > it? > > Thanks, > > Jim
Not that we need any more instances, but I have checked back in my subscribes for the past month, and have found five subscriptions by miguelmigsplus@gmail.com ... two are on moderately active lists, and three on quite inactive lists. Very Odd. All are now on moderate, thanks to the information provided by the LO List, PSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cutshall" <atgoose@suite224.net> To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:21 AM Subject: [LO] strange address subbing >I also have had Miguel Migs subscribe to a couple of my "L" lists... also >checked out the email and directly put him on moderate. Have not had any >messages from him as of yet. > Kay Cutshall > http://www2.suite224.net/~atgoose/ > Life's uncertain, eat dessert first ! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
thanks to all who replied. it appears my list was already set for me to receive notices of subscriptions. guess i just have a very quiet list. :) scot
hi all. i'm a new list owner and have subscribed to this list for only a few weeks, so all this is new to me. when someone subscribes to my list, do i get any kind of notification? my list is small and has had almost no activity since early last summer. thanks, scot
I also have had Miguel Migs subscribe to a couple of my "L" lists... also checked out the email and directly put him on moderate. Have not had any messages from him as of yet. Kay Cutshall http://www2.suite224.net/~atgoose/ Life's uncertain, eat dessert first !
On 3/7/2012 7:52 PM, Drew Smith wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Gene Phillips<gnphllps@comcast.net> wrote: >> I had<nitathemystic@yahoo.com> subscribe to my list a while back. As usual I put her on immediate moderation. >> In a few days the spam started. I get a spam email from nita just about every day. > > She should have seen that coming. > > Drew Smith Drew: Mystic, not psychic. ::snicker:: All these admins putting new subscribers on moderation immediately, I am feeling much better about my question about the 1940 Census, about a week ago. To each her/his own, I guess. Darrell
Hello Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jackson" <popsjackson@gmail.com> To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [LO] Strange address subscribing to multiple lists >I have seen the address miguelmigsplus@gmail.com subscribe to quite a >number > of lists I admin as well as those I serve as an assistant admin. A Google > search of that address comes up with a performer or a night club and I am > not sure what to make of this. I guess I should have sent him a note > asking > about all the subs but have not as yet. I would suggest approving the request, but putting the address on moderation until you have the opportunity to read their fist posting. I do this with all new subscribers to my list anyway. Regards Peter