It is safer to include it. It has something to do with matching. it cuts it off or it allow more. Some one please explain. -----Original Message----- From: Cathy-0 <chorn0591@optimum.net> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [LO] Board spam gatewayed to list Does one need to include the " ^ " before the gc-gateway email address? Just want to confirm whether or not it is necessary and not a typo. It is safer to include it. It has something to do with matching. it cuts it off or it allow more. Some one please explain. -----Original Message----- From: Cathy-0 <chorn0591@optimum.net> To: listowners <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [LO] Board spam gatewayed to list Does one need to include the " ^ " before the gc-gateway email address? Just want to confirm whether or not it is necessary and not a typo.

If you do this be careful that you don't have non-subscriber email discarded --- you must have them held for review of all gatewayed messages will just disappear. Joan In a message dated 6/27/2012 10:07:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: Put this in the ban list & they will go to pending ^gc-gateway@rootsweb.com

I have my own, localised, home-page so that I can access most of my commonly-used sites (eg. the pending messages for each of the lists I administer) with a single click. I have always accessed 'MyAccount' this way in the past. I am finding (probably the last week or so) that now, when I try to go into MyAccount (in the usual way) that it keeps asking me to log in. This never used to happen before. I have ticked the 'remember me' option. This is somewhat annoying because due to reasons that are beyond me, I seem to have accumulated a number of different Id's on rootsweb/Ancestry. I then have to try and remember (not an easy thing at my age) which of the Id's relates to my Rootsweb memberships, etc. Anyone else having similar, recent problems? Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer.

Joan- I have been talking to Listmaster about it. I think this is how MailMan is supposed to work and usually it is a good thing in that you don't have to go adding all the secondary email addresses to the Accept List if the person prefers to send list mail from another address but uses their subbed address as a Reply To address. It's only an issue where spam is concerned. I think as long as admins KNOW about it, it isn't a problem. Joan In a message dated 6/27/2012 11:50:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jasche45133@gmail.com writes: Has this been reported to the help desk? Can they do anything about it? J. Asche

Has this been reported to the help desk? Can they do anything about it? J. Asche On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > I've been getting notices of pending requests for an address that is NOT > subscribed to any of my lists (the address below). However, the spam that is > getting blocked from the lists (a bunch of them) has a REPLY TO address in > the  header field that IS subscribed to my lists. Initially the spam was > blocked  because of too many addresses -- so I moderated the subscribed address > (can't do  anything about the address NOT subbed). I wrote to the person at > the subscribed  address but haven't gotten a reply. > > > Pending posts: > From: doris391939@yahoo.com on Tue Jun 26 09:44:15  2012 > Subject: (no subject) > Cause: Post sent by a moderated list  member. > > ....My point in posting on LO is in case other admins get pending requests > or spam coming through your lists but can't find the "sender" on your > subscriber  list...check the REPLY TO field of the spam and you should find the > subscribed  address. MailMan apparently lets these posts come through to the > list because the sender address (the NON-subscribed address that  is > compromised) includes a subscribed address in the REPLY TO field. > > Joan >

Speaking of the CARTER list, the problems seem to have started with the message at the following link: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARTER/2012-06/1340807446 While I don't think that the message itself is where the major SPAM attack came from, the contents of the message are the issue I am asking about. I have seen this same message on at least one other List, and posters have said they've seen it on others, also, but it is advertising a DNA Project, as well as pricing and associated info. This is not my list, but in case it is posted to any of mine, I'd like the opinion of others about the matter. Should this be allowed on a list? Deloris Williams

I don't know about the rest of the lists, but there seems to be a major problem on the CARTER list, which is not my list, but I am a member. There are multiple messages being sent from someone's email address "Autoreply", so far, there are 85, and counting. They are all coming from the same email address and you may want to check & block this person's address from your list if they are on it: dwcarter@iac.net; I don't want to post the messages here, but you can see the problem on the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/CARTER/2012-06 I am reporting to RW and the administrator, but wanted to get word out there, too. Deloris Williams

I've been getting notices of pending requests for an address that is NOT subscribed to any of my lists (the address below). However, the spam that is getting blocked from the lists (a bunch of them) has a REPLY TO address in the header field that IS subscribed to my lists. Initially the spam was blocked because of too many addresses -- so I moderated the subscribed address (can't do anything about the address NOT subbed). I wrote to the person at the subscribed address but haven't gotten a reply. Pending posts: From: doris391939@yahoo.com on Tue Jun 26 09:44:15 2012 Subject: (no subject) Cause: Post sent by a moderated list member. ....My point in posting on LO is in case other admins get pending requests or spam coming through your lists but can't find the "sender" on your subscriber list...check the REPLY TO field of the spam and you should find the subscribed address. MailMan apparently lets these posts come through to the list because the sender address (the NON-subscribed address that is compromised) includes a subscribed address in the REPLY TO field. Joan

I couldn't agree more with you regarding these supposed anti spam software I often wonder if they sit there wondering why its so quiet and that no one sends email to them Completely incompatible with mailing lists (and email in general IMHO) If a user needs to even think about that kind of software they should change their email client Gmail is free and has excellent filters Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/06/2012 16:11, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > The person who wrote to me at the admin address isn't subscribed to the > list--just asking a question of the list admin. They never posted to the board > so a reply on the board would never be seen by this person -- or it is > unlikely that it would be. I'm sorry, but the burden of getting a reply to an > email rests with the person who asked the question in the first place...not > with the person who is replying. > > Joan

On 6/25/2012 10:11 AM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: ... > the burden of getting a reply to an email rests with the person who > asked the question in the first place ... not with the person who is > replying. > > Joan Joan: Absolutely correct. However, this isn't a pet peeve of mine -- because I simply ignore all spam-filter private bounces unless *I* initiated the attempted conversation. It should always be kept in mind that the basic functionality of a mailing list is to provide for communications between list members PUBLICLY, MEANING *ON* THE LIST. That does not mean a mailing list cannot be used to make initial contact, with discussion continuing in private. It happens all the time, and I do it myself when appropriate. However, **AS A LIST ADMIN** I feel zero -- or negative -- responsibility to facilitate, encourage, or moderate such activities. Ditto for non-subscribers who want to get information from me as the admin, without any expressed interest in participating on the list now or in the future. I do, occasionally, answer such queries, if they pique my personal curiosity. But that is the only reason. Darrell

Unfortunately AOL's "not accepting mail from this sender" filter doesn't notify the recipient that the message was sent...it just bounces it. AOL's filters are really NOT too bad but they are just being misused by this person and many others. Joan In a message dated 6/25/2012 11:37:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mxworld_us@mindspring.com writes: Joan, For what it's worth: I've used a spam blocker for mxworld_us@mindspring.com for over a decade. I check my spam filter at least daily and sometimes more. I get so much horrible spam daily I must use a filter. This means most folks who find my email and want to ask a Mx question do not fill out the Earthlink form to ask to be added to my approved address list - as I check the filter and approve them on my own. That said, I appreciate your frustration. My suggestion is that you reply by saying you are -offering- to work on a research question and ask the person to respond. Then if they do not approve your message/address but let it sit in their spam folder, you have not wasted your volunteer time researching their question. Marie Mx Spearman mxworld_us@mindspring.com www.mx-world.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marie, I'm not so sure we should be discussing spam and filters here, but before our fearless List Mom steps in I want to point out the main drawback in your suggestion. As an EarthLink subscriber myself for more than a decade, I am very familiar with the filters you refer to, and they are very effective and I use them a lot. That said, the optional setting you refer to, which requires someone writing to you to register with your filters and be accepted by you, is in itself a problem when it restricts or inhibits the free flow of list mail from the list, the list admin, OR A SUBSCRIBER WRITING OFF LIST," including the requirement to register to get a message to you. This type of filter is very effective at what it does, but when it requires a list subscriber or admin to register then it is creating a problem that will most commonly lead to the account with that filter to be restricted or unsubbed itself as the only solution available to the List Admin. I use the "medium" setting, and that is very effective against the spam and works well with all of my lists. Just a thought. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net or on Skype at "david.e.cann" -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marie Spearman Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:33 AM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] Pet Peeve Joan, For what it's worth: I've used a spam blocker for mxworld_us@mindspring.com for over a decade. I check my spam filter at least daily and sometimes more. I get so much horrible spam daily I must use a filter. This means most folks who find my email and want to ask a Mx question do not fill out the Earthlink form to ask to be added to my approved address list - as I check the filter and approve them on my own. That said, I appreciate your frustration. My suggestion is that you reply by saying you are -offering- to work on a research question and ask the person to respond. Then if they do not approve your message/address but let it sit in their spam folder, you have not wasted your volunteer time researching their question. Marie Mx Spearman mxworld_us@mindspring.com www.mx-world.org

I usually will not forward spam but this one was so obviously spam it was almost hilarious. The text read like this: Hello barstow-admin I always considered you to be my buddy but after that I'll have to try to destroy you. You ruined my life! Why did you have to put these photos online?? I reported you to the police check the attachment Then, of course, it had the attachment....which was the obvious part. The funny part was when they left every “B” rootsweb address they’d used showing in the ‘to’ portion. I don’t know about the rest of you but I think that’s funny. Joyce Gaston Reece

The person who wrote to me at the admin address isn't subscribed to the list--just asking a question of the list admin. They never posted to the board so a reply on the board would never be seen by this person -- or it is unlikely that it would be. I'm sorry, but the burden of getting a reply to an email rests with the person who asked the question in the first place...not with the person who is replying. Joan In a message dated 6/25/2012 9:26:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, leblancma@cooptel.qc.ca writes: Good morning Joan, What happens if you post your reply to the list or board rather than replying to the person directly? I bet that mail is getting through because they would have whitelisted the list or board address when they subscribed. Regards, Maurice French Translation Coordinator for Legacy Family Tree We are helping change the world of genealogy !

Good morning Joan, What happens if you post your reply to the list or board rather than replying to the person directly? I bet that mail is getting through because they would have whitelisted the list or board address when they subscribed. Regards, Maurice French Translation Coordinator for Legacy Family Tree We are helping change the world of genealogy ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <listowners-request@rootsweb.com> To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: LISTOWNERS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 90 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pet peeve time... (JYoung6180@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: JYoung6180@aol.com > Subject: [LO] Pet peeve time... > To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <42964.46c435f3.3d18d882@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I seldom post a "pet peeve" but this happens frequently enough to comment > on. > > I get emails directed to my list admin address or to me directly as board > admin or as co-CC for a county GenWeb site...and take my time to find an > answer for the person and send it to them only to get a bounce or request > to > verify that I'm not sending spam (which I will NOT do)...current example: > <mrpww@aol.com>: host core-mka003a.r1000.mail.aol.com[172.29.102.76] > said: > 554 > 5.7.1 Your mail could not be delivered because the recipient is only > accepting mail from specific email addresses. If you feel you received > this in error, please contact the recipient directly and ask them to > check > their email settings. (in reply to end of DATA command) > > ...I have to laugh because I cannot contact the person directly to have > them check their mail settings because the only address I have for the > person > is BOUNCING! Duh! > > And how much would you like to bet that this person will probably complain > loud and long that they wrote to me for help and I NEVER replied to them? > I'd bet on it. > > I'm guessing I'm not the only admin this happens to. > > Joan > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LISTOWNERS list administrator, send an email to > LISTOWNERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LISTOWNERS mailing list, send an email to > LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LISTOWNERS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 90 > ***************************************** >

Joan, For what it's worth: I've used a spam blocker for mxworld_us@mindspring.com for over a decade. I check my spam filter at least daily and sometimes more. I get so much horrible spam daily I must use a filter. This means most folks who find my email and want to ask a Mx question do not fill out the Earthlink form to ask to be added to my approved address list - as I check the filter and approve them on my own. That said, I appreciate your frustration. My suggestion is that you reply by saying you are -offering- to work on a research question and ask the person to respond. Then if they do not approve your message/address but let it sit in their spam folder, you have not wasted your volunteer time researching their question. Marie Mx Spearman mxworld_us@mindspring.com www.mx-world.org

I seldom post a "pet peeve" but this happens frequently enough to comment on. I get emails directed to my list admin address or to me directly as board admin or as co-CC for a county GenWeb site...and take my time to find an answer for the person and send it to them only to get a bounce or request to verify that I'm not sending spam (which I will NOT do)...current example: <mrpww@aol.com>: host core-mka003a.r1000.mail.aol.com[172.29.102.76] said: 554 5.7.1 Your mail could not be delivered because the recipient is only accepting mail from specific email addresses. If you feel you received this in error, please contact the recipient directly and ask them to check their email settings. (in reply to end of DATA command) ...I have to laugh because I cannot contact the person directly to have them check their mail settings because the only address I have for the person is BOUNCING! Duh! And how much would you like to bet that this person will probably complain loud and long that they wrote to me for help and I NEVER replied to them? I'd bet on it. I'm guessing I'm not the only admin this happens to. Joan

Hi Diana Gmail works just the same as most others Use reply, highlight the text to remove and hit delete Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/06/2012 16:20, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > I have a subscriber claiming he uses gmail, so doesn't see and can't > control the amount he backquotes. I've never used gmail. Is this > true? > > Diana

Hi Dan! I'm aware of that (I'm an IT Analyst for a living), and I use MS Outlook for my email...I have lots of rules set-up, and in fact, I have a FANTASTIC little tool I used called "SimplyFile" for Outlook, which is great http://www.techhit.com/SimplyFile/ I highly recommend it!!! There's a 30 day trial available for anyone interested, and the application itself, though it does have a cost to use long-term, is very minimal ($25?) The best $25 I've ever spent on a piece of software... -David Reed List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN --------------------------------------------- "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator  Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:07 PM To: DaveReed@midmaine.com; Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LO] trimming backquotes in gmail your settings can do just that. make a folder, for each group. make a filter for the group to the folder make a filter to send a message * in the TO* line as you sent it TO the group to the folder. I am using OE 6 to pop gmail, it works great, been doing it since g mail started, but I do not, have g mail pop setting set up only to allow pop, but I set the OE to download g mail with out loging in at all and I get it just like OE always works with all filters and folder options working and gmail filters spam great. Once you have gmail to OE< thunderbird or what ever you prefer, just make the filter to send your reply to the folder, then its all there. Just some simple tweaking. If you want the gmail settings they are on the gmail help site. pop.gmail.com smtp.gmail.com and use the settings for the rest if you get lost let me know I can send screen shots. The self contained disappears in OE separates each reply. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reed" <davereed@midmaine.com> To: "'Diana Gale Matthiesen'" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net>; <Listowners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [LO] trimming backquotes in gmail >I have a Gmail account, but I don't use it for my Rootsweb email, >because >(personally) I -like- having the previous posts/threads attached. It >makes it much easier to follow a discussion. It's all self-contained >in one email. > > I realize I'm in the minority on that (or appear to be), but, I'm okay > with that! :-) > > -David Reed > List Administrator: MAINE, NEW-ENG-GEN, MELINCOL (Maine, Lincoln > County), ME-IRISH, CEMETERIES-HISTORIC-PRESERVATION, MARIN > --------------------------------------------- > "Actually, there is only one 'first question' of government, and it is > "How should we live?" or "What kind of people do we want our citizens > to be?" - George F. Will (1941-), American political commentator > > ? Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale > Matthiesen > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:20 AM > To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LO] trimming backquotes in gmail > > I have a subscriber claiming he uses gmail, so doesn't see and can't > control the amount he backquotes. I've never used gmail. Is this true? > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diana, My job requires the use of Gmail. I sometimes use the web interface for Gmail, and when I do, it is easy to include a whole lot of backquotes without realizing it. When you start a reply that would otherwise include backquotes, there is a little "..." shown. You have to click on that series of dots to display the backquotes. If you don't ever display them, you can't delete them because you probably don't realize they are even there. Just tell your subscriber to click on the series of three dots to expose the backquotes so she can delete them, or some portion of them, before replying. -- Hope this helps, Mary On 6/23/2012 11:20 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > I have a subscriber claiming he uses gmail, so doesn't see and can't > control the amount he backquotes. I've never used gmail. Is this > true? > > Diana