Many people, including myself, someimes take the lazy way when we wish to send a NEW message to a list. It is easy just to "reply" to a message already there. However, even if you completely change the subjuct, you end up with what is, for all intentional purposes, a new thread within an existing thread. I have stopped using the "reply" tactic now unless it really IS a genuine reply to the message. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [LO] I understand *typos* > > Good information Joan, thanks. > May seem silly but, I never changed the subject line because of this > incorrect opinion. Now, we ALL can do corrections and of course change the > subject line when the email subject changes.... > > Thanks Darrell, Good topic to understand.. > > n. > > > > But > today well lived makes > every yesterday a dream of happiness, and > every tomorrow a vision of hope. > My Genealogy: > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: > http://www.gilpingenetics.us > > My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to > the blogs. > > >> From: JYoung6180@aol.com >> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:53:41 -0400 >> To: darrellm@sprynet.com; listowners@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LO] I understand *typos* >> >> I believe the threading is controlled by header fields you can locate in >> the expanded headers. It is a part of the references and in-reply-to >> header >> fields: References: <64246984.20120706220244@one-name.org>, >> <55CDF5594AAB41F5AD40047AD353EC0F@AroundHome>, >> <4FF70D07.8060700@sky.com> <4FF717F7.3060400@sampubco.com>, >> <4FF767EC.9080102@sprynet.com> <4FF8099D.8020503@sky.com>, >> <4FF852CD.2040808@sampubco.com> <4FF85690.4060809@sampubco.com>, >> <4FF8684B.9050506@sprynet.com> >> <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> >> In-Reply-To: <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> >> X-ELNK-Trace: >> dc97cceeb839a68e5741bb2dafe82705b7f3a87d4e9c50f182aa343a0673875a8150aa233adf8790350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >> >> Joan >> >> In a message dated 7/7/2012 3:41:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> darrellm@sprynet.com writes: >> >> That is incorrect. Threading does not depend on the subject text. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 7/7/2012 18:50, W David Samuelsen wrote: > he is the listmaster. He handles this one himself, no one else. Every > message reply I got, it is always Gerhard. They're flagged for Gerhard on the HelpDesk. But I would expect that if you happened to hit Gerhard's vacation, for example, you'd get someone else. --pig

I believe that mail sent to listmaster@rootsweb.com goes directly to the HelpDesk. Gerhard (or anyone else on staff) can answer from there. The same goes for mail sent to the messageboards address. Joan In a message dated 7/7/2012 6:14:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: Both get to Gerhard. On the days he is not in does other staff check listmaster@rootsweb.com ?

On 7/7/2012 17:52, W David Samuelsen wrote: > not to that address. It's listmaster@rootsweb.com - guaranteed quick > action. > > be sure to paste in the url of the message in question to be removed Mail to listmaster@rootsweb.com is automatically routed to HelpDesk. --pig

Both get to Gerhard. On the days he is not in does other staff check listmaster@rootsweb.com ?

On 7/7/2012 4:56 PM, Dee Ferris wrote: > Hi All, > > I recently saw an article regarding an internet security issue and a > DNS Changer malware alert, that some people may lose their internet > service on Monday. There is apparently a simple way to check and if > affected to remove the problem without losing service. It is true, > and not a hoax per snopes.com. ... > My question is - should we post this to our lists? It's not > genealogy related, and therefore would of course normally be > inappropriate. But this could be an issue for some of our > subscribers. > > I would appreciate your input. Thanks so much! > > Kind regards, > > Dee Dee: Yes, the problem is genuine, according to news reports I read months ago and every credible resource I found on the Internet. However, it is my *OPINION* that posting such things to our lists muddies the waters about what the purpose of the list is. It is hard enough keeping people from posting "great resource for SMITH genealogy" on the VERMONT list (when there is no discussion of Vermont SMITHs going on). We are certainly not supposed to be sources of general information about computers, the Internet, etc. etc. However, for a small list with a close family of subscribers, your opinion may differ. Darrell

To have the removal completed by staff after you have initiated the process (which sends an email to the poster for confirmation) -- just let the HelpDesk know that you have initiated the removal and they will complete it. They will also check to see if the spam went to any OTHER lists from this address and if there are too many of them they will do a global unsub of the compromised address and notify the "sender" of the problem. Joan In a message dated 7/7/2012 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bradmiter@earthlink.net writes: I just tried this after having looked at the 'RootsWeb List Administration Resources' page where I find the following links to be inactive (no URL): Mailing List Archives Searching in the Mailing List Archives (NO URL) Removal of Archived Messages (NO URL) And I just tried your procedure listed below. It sent the confirmation to the Sender Address on the original message. That is hardly any help as it will only confuse the sender (who just happens to be the assistant admin and whose address had been filched). I still need an address to which to send the URL's that I, The Admin, want to have removed. Thank You, Brad Miter

On 7/7/2012 4:53 PM, Ian Marr wrote: > Many people, including myself, someimes take the lazy way when we wish to > send a NEW message to a list. It is easy just to "reply" to a message > already there. However, even if you completely change the subjuct, you end > up with what is, for all intentional purposes, a new thread within an > existing thread. > > I have stopped using the "reply" tactic now unless it really IS a genuine > reply to the message. > > Regards, > Ian MARR Ian: In Thunderbird, I can right-click either the "From" address (in this case Ian_marr...) or the "To" address (listowners...) and get a menu that allows me to do several things, one of which is "Compose message to". This allows me to be very nearly as lazy as clicking "Reply" but starts me fresh. I strongly suspect that other major e-mail clients offer the same feature, in one form or another. Darrell

send the URLs to the helpdesk-post@rootsweb.com identify SPAM & list ask them to finish the removal.

I just tried this after having looked at the 'RootsWeb List Administration Resources' page where I find the following links to be inactive (no URL): Mailing List Archives Searching in the Mailing List Archives (NO URL) Removal of Archived Messages (NO URL) And I just tried your procedure listed below. It sent the confirmation to the Sender Address on the original message. That is hardly any help as it will only confuse the sender (who just happens to be the assistant admin and whose address had been filched). I still need an address to which to send the URL's that I, The Admin, want to have removed. Thank You, Brad Miter >>Message: 6 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:52:35 -0400 From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> Subject: Re: [LO] Mailing list To: <LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004301cd5c47$c37858d0$4a690a70$@dgmweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Go to your list archive and pick up the URL to the message, then enter it on this page: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/remove Diana > From: Sonny O'Haver > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:18 AM > > Can someone tell me how to delete a post in the archives. One > members email sent spam (they did not know it did). I would like to > delete it out of the archives<< ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:03:40 -0700 From: "Dan JM" <mygenrw2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LO] Confirmation of removal request ignored To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E141AE7E379B470D80F33C3A6A387C9A@AroundHome> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For a more universal answer, use hotmail hijack in google or yahoo and you will get many hits on problems with ( hot mail ). Looks like some other mail would be better to change to since this is such a wide spread disease. I have had a few members using HotMail and had to get gmail just to write to me about being hi jacked and could not access their account. So far since the conception of G mail and using OE for pop, I have been lucky I guess. But I know what Nelda posted is not uncommon. Its hair raising to say the least. As for saving any thing on the web in mail accounts, those messages could be pop to your PC and saved in the HD as well as leaving a copy on the server, thats what I do with G mail. Its saved to my external HD in a folder store off the C drive and not in the OE environment, you can do this simple enough with thunderbird or what ever. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Zurawicz" <listpig@earthlink.net> To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [LO] Confirmation of removal request ignored > On 7/6/2012 17:26, Nelda Percival wrote: >> >> Mary, >> On changing the password, you can't as they already have changed your >> password, the password question and answer..and the contact data. >> >> You see I was hi-jacked .. I had to have tech support delete the the new >> question they had submitted, disconnect the mobile contact to their cell >> number and the Question / answers, we did this five times before the >> hi-jackers gave up. In the mean time, they discarded my entire contact >> list, my folders of old messages from 10years of keeping them.. and all >> the important data I had stored in my "Paid for HOT MAIL ACCOUNT". >> >> Your message never gets to the member, because the email account forwards >> to the hi-jackers...not the member, the hijackers read the messages you >> send out. >> ...I KNOW.. BEEN THERE DONE THAT...Nelda > > Nelda: this does not seem to be a universal truth; Gerhard and I have > also seen cases where the subscriber (after a global unsub due to hacked > email account) got all the unsub notices. So a more universal answer > may be that it's worth sending the email (after moderating and/or > unsubbing the address), but be aware that the subscriber MAY or MAY NOT > see what you send. > > --pig > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:29:41 -0400 From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> Subject: Re: [LO] Confirmation of removal request ignored To: <Listowners-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004f01cd5c4c$f27583b0$d7608b10$@dgmweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" P.S. The onslaught of email address hijacking is a lesson to all of us to create stronger passwords. Google on the topic to learn how. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:57:25 -0500 From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LO] Confirmation of removal request ignored To: <listowners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL116-W430497DA2FFA22AE795E26E4ED0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Diana is right! Good Strong Passwords! My sister had given her data to a we-gonna close your account email and DUMB me I used her name as my password. They had my account in minutes. Use upper /lower case letters, symbols and numbers.. never make a word, or saying..... NEVER use the same password on more then one account. I now keep a little black book with all my different passwords and change the password often.... I don't use OE, I go online to my account and read the email there, I do not store emails on my computer ....Free Hotmail has NO tech support... Paid for Hotmail accounts do... Back to original message... Do something to stop the SPAM... at least moderate immediately... Nelda > From: DianaGM@dgmweb.net > To: > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:29:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LO] Confirmation of removal request ignored > > P.S. The onslaught of email address hijacking is a lesson to all of > us to create stronger passwords. Google on the topic to learn how. > Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. ~~~~~~~~ My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. ------------------------------ To contact the LISTOWNERS list administrator, send an email to LISTOWNERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LISTOWNERS mailing list, send an email to LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LISTOWNERS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 105 ******************************************

he is the listmaster. He handles this one himself, no one else. Every message reply I got, it is always Gerhard. David On 7/7/2012 4:11 PM, Paul L LeBlanc wrote: > > Both get to Gerhard. > > On the days he is not in does other staff check listmaster@rootsweb.com ? > > > > >

Good information Joan, thanks. May seem silly but, I never changed the subject line because of this incorrect opinion. Now, we ALL can do corrections and of course change the subject line when the email subject changes.... Thanks Darrell, Good topic to understand.. n. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a vision of hope. My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. > From: JYoung6180@aol.com > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:53:41 -0400 > To: darrellm@sprynet.com; listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] I understand *typos* > > I believe the threading is controlled by header fields you can locate in > the expanded headers. It is a part of the references and in-reply-to header > fields: References: <64246984.20120706220244@one-name.org>, > <55CDF5594AAB41F5AD40047AD353EC0F@AroundHome>, > <4FF70D07.8060700@sky.com> <4FF717F7.3060400@sampubco.com>, > <4FF767EC.9080102@sprynet.com> <4FF8099D.8020503@sky.com>, > <4FF852CD.2040808@sampubco.com> <4FF85690.4060809@sampubco.com>, > <4FF8684B.9050506@sprynet.com> > <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> > In-Reply-To: <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> > X-ELNK-Trace: > dc97cceeb839a68e5741bb2dafe82705b7f3a87d4e9c50f182aa343a0673875a8150aa233adf8790350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > Joan > > In a message dated 7/7/2012 3:41:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > darrellm@sprynet.com writes: > > That is incorrect. Threading does not depend on the subject text.

I believe the threading is controlled by header fields you can locate in the expanded headers. It is a part of the references and in-reply-to header fields: References: <64246984.20120706220244@one-name.org>, <55CDF5594AAB41F5AD40047AD353EC0F@AroundHome>, <4FF70D07.8060700@sky.com> <4FF717F7.3060400@sampubco.com>, <4FF767EC.9080102@sprynet.com> <4FF8099D.8020503@sky.com>, <4FF852CD.2040808@sampubco.com> <4FF85690.4060809@sampubco.com>, <4FF8684B.9050506@sprynet.com> <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <COL116-W55D862BCC6043369F33DDDE4ED0@phx.gbl> X-ELNK-Trace: dc97cceeb839a68e5741bb2dafe82705b7f3a87d4e9c50f182aa343a0673875a8150aa233adf8790350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Joan In a message dated 7/7/2012 3:41:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, darrellm@sprynet.com writes: That is incorrect. Threading does not depend on the subject text. For example, in this list's threaded archives, when I changed the subject line from "Ancestery" to "Ancest*ry" it did NOT break the thread.

not to that address. It's listmaster@rootsweb.com - guaranteed quick action. be sure to paste in the url of the message in question to be removed David On 7/7/2012 3:14 PM, Paul L LeBlanc wrote: > > send the URLs to the > helpdesk-post@rootsweb.com > identify SPAM & list > ask them to finish the removal. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I recently saw an article regarding an internet security issue and a DNS Changer malware alert, that some people may lose their internet service on Monday.   There is apparently a simple way to check and if affected to remove the problem without losing service.   It is true, and not a hoax per snopes.com. I will post the link to the article under my signature, if anyone should want to check it.  My question is - should we post this to our lists?  It's not genealogy related, and therefore would of course normally be inappropriate.  But this could be an issue for some of our subscribers. I would appreciate your input.  Thanks so much! Kind regards, Dee http://finance.yahoo.com/news/malware-may-knock-thousands-off-063924736.html http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/dnschanger.asp

Jan, Virtually all of us are getting that junk, but you can simply delete it all without reading it, except for the standard moderation notices received from RW itself. In my own case, my service provider catches a lot of it in their spam filters as the spam that it is, but that is a different issue entirely and potentially can cause problems for RW in the future, but there is little that we can do about it in such cases. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net or on Skype at "david.e.cann" -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice Wall Buker Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 1:41 PM To: listowners@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] admin messages I have recently begun to receive a ton of messages to the admin address for many of my lists. Has this happened to anyone else? It appears to be messages sent to several lists at one time and of course is advertising. Does anyone know how to stop it? Thanks, JanB ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 7/7/2012 2:23 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > > Darrell, > I understand the irritation of using the same subject line when the subject of the email changes / and or spelling corrections....... but.... I always understood if you change even as much as a letter in a word in the subject line you have just broke the archival chain and they will no longer be linked... > > Some authority want to explain if I am correct or wrong... how are the archives linked?? > > Nelda Nelda: That is incorrect. Threading does not depend on the subject text. For example, in this list's threaded archives, when I changed the subject line from "Ancestery" to "Ancest*ry" it did NOT break the thread. <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/Listowners/2012-07?m=t&n=y&d=y&s=Redisplay> Darrell

Darrell, I understand the irritation of using the same subject line when the subject of the email changes / and or spelling corrections....... but.... I always understood if you change even as much as a letter in a word in the subject line you have just broke the archival chain and they will no longer be linked... Some authority want to explain if I am correct or wrong... how are the archives linked?? Nelda Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. ~~~~~~~~ My Genealogy: http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy: http://www.geneticsand.us Gilpin Worldwide Project: http://www.gilpingenetics.us My Business: http://www.aircastles-internet-marketing.biz With lists to the blogs. > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:48:11 -0500 > From: darrellm@sprynet.com > To: listowners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LO] Ancestry . com for sale > > Folks: > > It's OK to change the subject line -- for example to correct a > misspelling so people can filter or search by Subject. Really, it is. As > I have done in this case, changing Ancest*ry.com (which tried to make a > simple point) to Ancestry.com. I understand *typos*, but replies don't > have to *repeat* the mistake. > > I'll not belabor this point further. > > Darrell

Yes, we are all getting them...delete, delete, delete...don't open or respond or report. Joan In a message dated 7/7/2012 1:43:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wall.buker@gmail.com writes: I have recently begun to receive a ton of messages to the admin address for many of my lists. Has this happened to anyone else? It appears to be messages sent to several lists at one time and of course is advertising. Does anyone know how to stop it? Thanks, JanB

On 7/7/2012 11:32, W David Samuelsen wrote: > Just in!!! > > http://britishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/07/major-news-ancestrycom-to-move-to.html > > Ancestry is denying the rumor! And the original story has vanished from independent.ie, which suggests to me that they may have discovered its untruth. That said, this REALLY isn't on topic for LO, guys. Can we shut it down? Thanks! -pig