Thanks, Tom...and I suspect that is exactly what Norton did in this case...got rid of the virus as soon as the files were unzipped. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2013 6:51:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomp@st.net.au writes: Quite correct Joan, but see the following which I found "AVG FREE Anti-virus 2011 or 2012 are just fine. You do not have a vulnerability with AVG since it will scan any file BEFORE ANY program on your computer can load or read it. What you are over looking is that zip files are compressed. Because they are compressed it is impossible for any anti-virus program to detect virus's contained in them since the data in the files are UN-intelligible. By un-zipping a zip file, all of the files contained in it will be extracted and decompressed and written to disk as individual files. Only then can an a-v program scan them for virus's. The un-zip process itself is not in any danger from any virus's that might be contained in the zip file. By design, AVG a-v FREE always scans files at the time that any program does the open function, before the program itself actually reads the file. That is how all real-time anti-virus programs work. So you are perfectly safe already." Tom

I don't know about Norton but I'm pretty sure most (if not all) AV software can't scan a ZIP file for a virus. As Darrell said...why would ANY admin open an attachment in a message that comes to your admin address knowing that admin mail is NOT screened for viruses? Ask yourself: why would ANYONE be sending you a FILE attachment of ANY sort to your admin address? Also ask yourself if the address "administrator @ rootsweb" sounds like an official RootsWeb address you have ever heard of or from which you have ever received mail. RootsWeb staff addresses would be a person's name or listmaster, etc. @rootsweb.com. Joan In a message dated 1/31/2013 11:56:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, darrellm@sprynet.com writes: On 1/31/2013 10:28 AM, Larry M. Weatherly wrote: > > I may be the only fortunate (NOT) one to have received an email > addressed to one of my Iowa lists - though from the cc list I suspect > that there are others out there. > > This email is from: Administrator - and has headers as follows: >> Subject: FW: Company 2013 Report >> >> Signature: Digitally signed by administrator@rootsweb.com >> File Validity: 01/31/2013 >> Company : http://rootsweb.com >> File Format: Office - Excel >> Internal Name: Company Report >> Legal Copyright: ) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. >> Original Filename: 2013 Report.xls > > Since it appeared suspicious to me I scanned the zip file with Norton > and did not receive any errors. However, as soon as I initiated an > unzip Norton jumped in and deleted the z.bot virus in the attachment. > > So - if it appears in your inbox - you know what to do! > > Be well and at peace! > Larry Larry: Why in the world did you ever try to open the .zip file? You had more than adequate evidence that this was not a legitimate message. Everything about it screams, "Go back! It's a trap!!" Doing anything besides deleting the whole thing, UNOPENED, was like testing to see if there are rattlesnakes in your sleeping bag by crawling in. It was only by good fortune that you got away cheaply. If Norton had not yet been updated to recognize that version of z.bot, then your computer would be in a world of hurt. Not that I have an opinion, or anything. Darrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I finally had time to do what I wanted to do this morning and search the LO archives for the time when we migrated over to MailMan from SmartList...see: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/listowners/2006-08/1155408135 Read the entire thread...you will see that since around Aug.-Oct. 2006 when the lists gradually migrated over to MailMan that subbing the same address more than once was no longer possible...you will also see that those subbed in both L and D modes under SmartList were migrated over to L mode ONLY. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 4:49:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: Except they are not L and D...they are plain (plain text digests) and D (digest). There is no -L check box. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 3:38:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: Nope. I've always had dial-up, remember, and so NO way I want a digest! I went in to list-admin to unsub a bouncing lister, and noted an awful lot of tic marks, including what I thought were the -L and -D columns where both were marked. I thought it was different, but said, oh what the hey, if the system's happy, and the subscriber's happy, I'm happy and went on about my biznuss. I'll go back to my unscheduled nap now. Cheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Except they are not L and D...they are plain (plain text digests) and D (digest). There is no -L check box. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 3:38:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: Nope. I've always had dial-up, remember, and so NO way I want a digest! I went in to list-admin to unsub a bouncing lister, and noted an awful lot of tic marks, including what I thought were the -L and -D columns where both were marked. I thought it was different, but said, oh what the hey, if the system's happy, and the subscriber's happy, I'm happy and went on about my biznuss. I'll go back to my unscheduled nap now. Cheryl

Jerry, If you go look at those check box choices, you will see the following headers: "unsub" on the far left to unsubscribe the address. "mod" for moderation "nomail" which controls whether or not the subscribers receives any list mail at all "not metoo", whose purpose I'm not 100% sure of, but which clearly has nothing to do with mail mode (-L vs. -D) "digest", which is the ONLY checkbox to control -L (unchecked) vs. -D (checked) "plain", which controls plain text vs. MIME. That's it; there are NO OTHER OPTIONS. If you see something else in those choices that indicates -L mode vs. -D mode, then my tools page is different from yours. -- Mary ---- tobinger32@gmail.com wrote: > Mary, > > If you go to the list "administrative interface" page and open "Membership Management..." you will see the check boxes for each subscriber. > > Jerry > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > > > What do you mean? There is no '-L' box or '-D' box. There is just one box, "digest", which is either checked (for -D mode), or not checked (for -L mode). > > > > Where are you finding this "sub list"? > > > > I get the feeling some of us are talking about apples and others are talking about oranges. > > > > It would really help to clear up this source of confusion. > > > > -- Mary > > > > > > ---- singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but > >> I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and > >> -D boxes tic'd. > >> > >> Cheryl > >> > >> > >> JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > >>> Hmmm...then I assume you have more than one email address and one is subbed > >>> in L mode and the other in D mode? I mention this because you cannot > >>> subscribe the SAME email addres in more than one mode. > >>> > >>> Joan > >>> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 1/28/2013 7:48:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: > >>> > >>> Thanks, Joan, but no. We've always been subbed with our private addresses > >>> in both modes.

Nope. I've always had dial-up, remember, and so NO way I want a digest! I went in to list-admin to unsub a bouncing lister, and noted an awful lot of tic marks, including what I thought were the -L and -D columns where both were marked. I thought it was different, but said, oh what the hey, if the system's happy, and the subscriber's happy, I'm happy and went on about my biznuss. I'll go back to my unscheduled nap now. Cheryl JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Cheryl- > You may have done what a lot of us did back what MailMan > started and added your LIST ADMIN address in digest mode. > Since the list admin address forwards to your regular email > address over the years you may have forgotten that it was a > forward and not a direct email for the digests...easy to > check on your membership list to see if this is the case or not. > Joan > In a message dated 1/29/2013 2:00:58 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, singhals@erols.com writes: > > I hear you, Joan. I even believe you, ATC. > > I suppose it's possible that the -L and -D columns aren't > there, but I sure thought I was on the WVHampsh admin page. > > > Cheryl > "...of all the things I've lost, etc..." >

Cheryl- You may have done what a lot of us did back what MailMan started and added your LIST ADMIN address in digest mode. Since the list admin address forwards to your regular email address over the years you may have forgotten that it was a forward and not a direct email for the digests...easy to check on your membership list to see if this is the case or not. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 2:00:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: I hear you, Joan. I even believe you, ATC. I suppose it's possible that the -L and -D columns aren't there, but I sure thought I was on the WVHampsh admin page. Cheryl "...of all the things I've lost, etc..."

ooooh, let me! let me! Newbie. :) Paul L LeBlanc wrote: > > off list person name protected > =================== > Sorry no. > > > That is what you would think. > > But there are many types of data structures that can duplicate keys. > > Only if it an indexed file can you have only one key. > > > PS I first touched a computer in 1969 > > -----Original Message----- > > > Paul, > > I'll let others address this publicly. But my guess is that the email address > is a key field in the database structure used by Mailman, in which case it would > not be possible to have two separate records for the same key field; that should > produce an error message. >

I hear you, Joan. I even believe you, ATC. I suppose it's possible that the -L and -D columns aren't there, but I sure thought I was on the WVHampsh admin page. Cheryl "...of all the things I've lost, etc..." JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > As Mary said there is no L box to check off...are you saying > you see the EXACT SAME address listed back to back (twice) > on the membership list? That would be the ONLY way the same > address COULD be subbed in both modes---if the address > showed twice on the list and one entry had the D box checked > and the other didn't, which is impossible because you would > get an error message trying to subscribe an already subbed > address a second time...try it with your own address---it > won't work. > Joan > In a message dated 1/29/2013 9:38:57 A.M. Eastern Standard > Time, singhals@erols.com writes: > > Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, > but > I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L > and > -D boxes tic'd. > > Cheryl

Those of you who think you can reproduce this...my advice is TRY IT. Try subbing your OWN email address to a list you already sub to (and admin). Try via email and NOTHING will happen at ALL. Try via the tools page and you will get an error message. Try it before telling us it can be done. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 11:18:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: off list person name protected =================== Sorry no. That is what you would think. But there are many types of data structures that can duplicate keys. Only if it an indexed file can you have only one key. PS I first touched a computer in 1969 -----Original Message----- Paul, I'll let others address this publicly. But my guess is that the email address is a key field in the database structure used by Mailman, in which case it would not be possible to have two separate records for the same key field; that should produce an error message. -- That is what you would think. But there are many types of data structures that can duplicate keys. Only if it an indexed file can you have only one key. PS I first touched a computer in 1969 -----Original Message----- Paul, I'll let others address this publicly. But my guess is that the email address is a key field in the database structure used by Mailman, in which case it would not be possible to have two separate records for the same key field; that should produce an error message. -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

off list person name protected =================== Sorry no. That is what you would think. But there are many types of data structures that can duplicate keys. Only if it an indexed file can you have only one key. PS I first touched a computer in 1969 -----Original Message----- Paul, I'll let others address this publicly. But my guess is that the email address is a key field in the database structure used by Mailman, in which case it would not be possible to have two separate records for the same key field; that should produce an error message. -- That is what you would think. But there are many types of data structures that can duplicate keys. Only if it an indexed file can you have only one key. PS I first touched a computer in 1969 -----Original Message----- Paul, I'll let others address this publicly. But my guess is that the email address is a key field in the database structure used by Mailman, in which case it would not be possible to have two separate records for the same key field; that should produce an error message. --

Joan Young is correct. I too was sub to several lists in both L and D modes. When the lists were converted to Mailman, all the duplicates were combined into a single subscription in the L mode. The duplicates were identified by the email address. Subscriptions in the same list with the same email address were reduced to one subscription with that email address. That is when I got different email addresses so I could subscribe myself to the same list in L and D mode. This is what happened on all my Mailman lists. Allen Dew At 09:57 AM 01/29/13, you wrote: >2nd request > >When they merged the two lists Individual & digest for mailman they >might not have checked for duplicates. if not there will be two >records for same address. > >================= > >David or others receiving both ways on one address > >Is there one or two copies of your address in the member list? > >Have you subed or unsubed since change to mailman? > >When the merged the two lists Individual & digest they might not >have checked for duplicates. > >Paul

As Mary said there is no L box to check off...are you saying you see the EXACT SAME address listed back to back (twice) on the membership list? That would be the ONLY way the same address COULD be subbed in both modes---if the address showed twice on the list and one entry had the D box checked and the other didn't, which is impossible because you would get an error message trying to subscribe an already subbed address a second time...try it with your own address---it won't work. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 9:38:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and -D boxes tic'd. Cheryl

The one thing they did adjust some time back...when they switched to having all lists have a confirmation for subscribing they added a check box on the confirmation page so that people who subbed via email notice had a box on the confirmation page to select digest mode. Before that the subscription was in L mode and if they wanted digest they had to contact the admin to check off the digest box. All previously subbed addresses that had been in DIGEST mode before MailMan were left in digest mode at the time MailMan was implemented as the list software. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 10:51:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com writes: Jerry, If you go look at those check box choices, you will see the following headers: "unsub" on the far left to unsubscribe the address. "mod" for moderation "nomail" which controls whether or not the subscribers receives any list mail at all "not metoo", whose purpose I'm not 100% sure of, but which clearly has nothing to do with mail mode (-L vs. -D) "digest", which is the ONLY checkbox to control -L (unchecked) vs. -D (checked) "plain", which controls plain text vs. MIME. That's it; there are NO OTHER OPTIONS. If you see something else in those choices that indicates -L mode vs. -D mode, then my tools page is different from yours. -- Mary ---- tobinger32@gmail.com wrote: > Mary, > > If you go to the list "administrative interface" page and open "Membership Management..." you will see the check boxes for each subscriber. > > Jerry > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > > > What do you mean? There is no '-L' box or '-D' box. There is just one box, "digest", which is either checked (for -D mode), or not checked (for -L mode). > > > > Where are you finding this "sub list"? > > > > I get the feeling some of us are talking about apples and others are talking about oranges. > > > > It would really help to clear up this source of confusion. > > > > -- Mary > > > > > > ---- singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but > >> I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and > >> -D boxes tic'd. > >> > >> Cheryl > >> > >> > >> JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > >>> Hmmm...then I assume you have more than one email address and one is subbed > >>> in L mode and the other in D mode? I mention this because you cannot > >>> subscribe the SAME email addres in more than one mode. > >>> > >>> Joan > >>> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 1/28/2013 7:48:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: > >>> > >>> Thanks, Joan, but no. We've always been subbed with our private addresses > >>> in both modes. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh yes they DID...I was subbed to everyone of my lists in both L and D modes with my AOL address and EVERY list my D subscriptions were removed. I never got an unsub notice---they were just removed. Like Mary, I have a feeling people just didn't realize it happened WAY back then. They probably think the check mark for plain next to digest means L mode...but it doesn't. I simply means the digests are sent in plain text. Joan In a message dated 1/29/2013 9:59:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pleblan@aim.com writes: 2nd request When they merged the two lists Individual & digest for mailman they might not have checked for duplicates. if not there will be two records for same address.

Jerry, If you go look at those check box choices, you will see the following headers: "unsub" on the far left to unsubscribe the address. "mod" for moderation "nomail" which controls whether or not the subscribers receives any list mail at all "not metoo", whose purpose I'm not 100% sure of, but which clearly has nothing to do with mail mode (-L vs. -D) "digest", which is the ONLY checkbox to control -L (unchecked) vs. -D (checked) "plain", which controls plain text vs. MIME. That's it; there are NO OTHER OPTIONS. If you see something else in those choices that indicates -L mode vs. -D mode, then my tools page is different from yours. -- Mary ---- tobinger32@gmail.com wrote: > Mary, > > If you go to the list "administrative interface" page and open "Membership Management..." you will see the check boxes for each subscriber. > > Jerry > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > > > What do you mean? There is no '-L' box or '-D' box. There is just one box, "digest", which is either checked (for -D mode), or not checked (for -L mode). > > > > Where are you finding this "sub list"? > > > > I get the feeling some of us are talking about apples and others are talking about oranges. > > > > It would really help to clear up this source of confusion. > > > > -- Mary > > > > > > ---- singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but > >> I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and > >> -D boxes tic'd. > >> > >> Cheryl > >> > >> > >> JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > >>> Hmmm...then I assume you have more than one email address and one is subbed > >>> in L mode and the other in D mode? I mention this because you cannot > >>> subscribe the SAME email addres in more than one mode. > >>> > >>> Joan > >>> > >>> > >>> In a message dated 1/28/2013 7:48:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>> mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: > >>> > >>> Thanks, Joan, but no. We've always been subbed with our private addresses > >>> in both modes.

2nd request When they merged the two lists Individual & digest for mailman they might not have checked for duplicates. if not there will be two records for same address. ================= David or others receiving both ways on one address Is there one or two copies of your address in the member list? Have you subed or unsubed since change to mailman? When the merged the two lists Individual & digest they might not have checked for duplicates. Paul

Cheryl, What do you mean? There is no '-L' box or '-D' box. There is just one box, "digest", which is either checked (for -D mode), or not checked (for -L mode). Where are you finding this "sub list"? I get the feeling some of us are talking about apples and others are talking about oranges. It would really help to clear up this source of confusion. -- Mary ---- singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but > I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and > -D boxes tic'd. > > Cheryl > > > JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > > Hmmm...then I assume you have more than one email address and one is subbed > > in L mode and the other in D mode? I mention this because you cannot > > subscribe the SAME email addres in more than one mode. > > > > Joan > > > > > > In a message dated 1/28/2013 7:48:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: > > > > Thanks, Joan, but no. We've always been subbed with our private addresses > > in both modes.

Yeah, that's what they've been telling us since day-one, but I am seeing a LOT of people in my sub lists with both -L and -D boxes tic'd. Cheryl JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > Hmmm...then I assume you have more than one email address and one is subbed > in L mode and the other in D mode? I mention this because you cannot > subscribe the SAME email addres in more than one mode. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 1/28/2013 7:48:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mrichson@ix.netcom.com writes: > > Thanks, Joan, but no. We've always been subbed with our private addresses > in both modes.

David- So do I but only because the list admin address FORWARDS to my AOL address. I would be impossible to have two entries in the membership list of the same address...MailMan won't allow it. Joan In a message dated 1/28/2013 9:44:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: False. I am still getting both modes, even as admin - same email address.. I also checked and rechecked Mailman subscriptions. David SAMPUBCO On 1/28/2013 6:24 PM, Mary D. Taffet wrote: > Ever since the mailing list software was changed from the previous > software system (was it called Smartlist?? ...I've forgotten) to the > MailMan software, a change which happened YEARS ago, an email address > can only be subscribed in EITHER regular mail mode OR digest mode. Not > both. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LISTOWNERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message