Tony, You say "in my mail" - but what address are you talking about. If it is your ???-admin address then there is no SPAM checking done by rootsweb. Their ant-spam is there to protect the actual mailing list addresses. Your admin address is no different to any other address - it can & will be targetted. The simple answer to "how do we get rid of it?" is - delete it. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 11m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/Weather/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <Tony@meighan.name> To: <Listowners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: [LO] Un-Welcome messages! > > Hi, > > Is anyone else getting this kind of rubbish in their mail,if so how > do we get rid of it? > I have received it daily on each of my lists since Monday 18th February. > > The Rootsweb anti sp-m doesn't appear to be picking it up! > -------------------------------------------------------

Tony wrote: > > Hi, > > Is anyone else getting this kind of rubbish in their mail,if so how > do we get rid of it? > I have received it daily on each of my lists since Monday 18th February. > > The Rootsweb anti sp-m doesn't appear to be picking it up! I've had similar message to the bounces address daily as well but only to one of my lists. I'm getting daily spam messages to the admin address of another list which has an .ru suffix. I've just bought a new mouse out of necessity ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

On 2/20/2013 6:46 PM, Tony wrote: > > Hi, > > Is anyone else getting this kind of rubbish in their mail,if so how > do we get rid of it? > I have received it daily on each of my lists since Monday 18th February. > > The Rootsweb anti sp-m doesn't appear to be picking it up! Tony: I have received only one copy of this message; you sent it, via [LO]. Darrell

PLEASE don't quote spam back to the list. You are putting spam in the list archives and you are making many of us receive the message in our spam folders...I nearly accidentally deleted it in my spam folder ... and that would have gotten me unsubbed from this list! PLEASE don't do this again. Joan In a message dated 2/20/2013 8:01:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Tony@meighan.name writes: Hi, Is anyone else getting this kind of rubbish in their mail,if so how do we get rid of it? I have received it daily on each of my lists since Monday 18th February. The Rootsweb anti sp-m doesn't appear to be picking it up!

Jim Jackson wrote: > What is this? Malicious link spam sent from a hijacked/hacked account. I've no doubt Pig will have dealt with it by now. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

What is this? Jim Jackson -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kurt McCrary Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:26 AM To: john; howardthebutcher; listowners; muirhead; vrsmith; jberry; jberryindy; Jfreisinger Subject: [LO] Kurt McCrary (Deleted to prevent recurrence of possibly malicious links)

The point being that if you don't like using online buying and selling you are unlikely to use paypal with or without a credit card It is far simpler to just use ebay in the first place This seems to be skirting around the point I made originally, that the lists made for selling items be they books or whatever are rather pointless as people don't know they exist, they are a sop to the commercial outfits who can post their goods on there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > You don't actually need a PayPal account in order to pay that way. > > I won't have one but I do occasionally use PayPal, mainly where there's > no alternative. >

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > Yes I know people can use Paypal without going through Ebay, I do > myself, but what I was saying is that the person has to arrange this > themselves and may have no easy way of getting the money back if there > was a problem, going through Ebay you have better protection that was my > point > > And if as you suggested, someone is averse to buying and selling online > they are unlikely to have a paypal account You don't actually need a PayPal account in order to pay that way. I won't have one but I do occasionally use PayPal, mainly where there's no alternative. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi again Yes I know people can use Paypal without going through Ebay, I do myself, but what I was saying is that the person has to arrange this themselves and may have no easy way of getting the money back if there was a problem, going through Ebay you have better protection that was my point And if as you suggested, someone is averse to buying and selling online they are unlikely to have a paypal account Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 17:56, Lynne wrote: > > Hi Nivard > There's nothing barring subscribers who buy or sell on the Gen-Materials > lists from using PayPal. Using PayPal would be something I would encourage. > As far as knowing if lists exist, it's a pity that the NEW-GENLIST seems to > have fallen by the wayside. That was a wonderful way of keeping informed > about lists.

Hi Lynne I didn't check all the lists, just those I mentioned, I lost interest at that point I see there is trickle on your list but it is a trickle and no more The problem is that the would be seller has an extremely limited audience, thats not to say that I don't think it worthwhile to advertise on there but who is going to see the posts, very few I would wager The better avenues by far would be the specific County list or the likes of Ebay It is far safer for the buyer to use the likes of Paypal which is totally for the buyer and against the seller rather than configure their own transaction with someone they don't know Posts are so few as it is I can see no reason to have lists that no one uses as they do not know they exist Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 16:56, Lynne wrote: > Nivard, not everyone is comfortable buying or selling on auction > sites, and it's nice to have another way to sell without having to > pay any fees. I recently adopted the long dormant GEN-MAT-UKI list > and hope that there will be some traffic on the list. There has > already been a little bit of buying and selling, as well as the > announcement of some freebies. > > Lynne >

Quite so, the obvious reason for rootsweb to have them is to keep commercial posts off the other lists But they were being suggested here as an avenue to sell books for those interested, clearly they are of no use for that or at the very best are limited for that Ebay is a better solution IMHO Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 16:44, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > I suspect the concern is and was not so much about who would subscribe > to these lists but rather RootsWeb providing an outlet for those who > wish to post this type of notice --- and being told NO on the regular > genealogy lists. Being found in a search of all list archives might be > as fruitful for the commercial posters as having subscribers read the > post via email on the list. > Joan

Likewise How else do people get to know what is available Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 16:04, famh1story@aol.com wrote: > I personally don't have a problem with posts offering for sale books > etc related to my list so long as they don't put prices on and they > ask for further info to be sent off list > > Rob

Out of curiosity I just had a brief look at Gen-Books and Gen-Mat lists Although they have what appears to be a healthy volume of posts, a cursory inspection shows that they are all from three commercial businesses (the same three on both lists) So anyone subscribing to those lists will either need to have an interest in their offerings or would quickly unsub I wonder how many are subscribed to them (3 perhaps?) I think the theory is good but they simply don't work except as an avenue for businesses to advertise their wares Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/02/2013 15:13, Lynne wrote: > What about the Genealogical Materials mailing lists? You can buy or sell on these lists: > > ANZ-GEN-MAT > GEN-BOOKS > GEN-MAT > GEN-MAT-15 > GEN-MAT-HX > GEN-MAT-UKI > > > Lynne

I find it rather ironic that the quantity of posts from people moaning about these so called "mass postings" will very soon eclipse the amount of posts being complained about If the person posting about this jamboree was not posting prices etc, would it not have been more sensible to let them get on with it ? There is so little traffic on the lists these days that I can't really see a problem If I got multiple mails to multiple lists they can easily be deleted in one go and would not bother me in the slightest Sledge hammer to crack a nut springs to mind Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

This horse died a LONG time ago. Just agree to disagree and get it over with! Please!!! Linda -----Original Message----- From: listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:listowners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:22 PM To: Listowners list Subject: Re: [LO] Mass Postings on lists... Hi folks, aren't we beating this one to death a bit? Mass posting is never OK, and not helpful either. While it would be great to get the news out to *every* person who might find it useful, our lists will never function that way. Remember, our role as listowner of our lists isn't a position of power, but responsibility. The better we keep our lists on-topic, the more useful they are to the subscribers. Thanks for all you do, Valorie

On 2/16/2013 1:13 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > Yes I know people can use Paypal without going through Ebay, I do > myself, but what I was saying is that the person has to arrange this > themselves and may have no easy way of getting the money back if there > was a problem, going through Ebay you have better protection that was my > point > > And if as you suggested, someone is averse to buying and selling online > they are unlikely to have a paypal account > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Nivard: You seem to be saying that someone who is averse to buying and selling online is likely have difficulty buying and selling online. OK, can't argue with that. Darrell

On 2/16/2013 9:26 AM, singhals wrote: [snip] > And /finding/ one from the RW Lists page? Oh, please! A > year or two back (when I wasn't so stressed out and tired > from it) I went looking for one of my own lists there, and > after two days, I gave up. It was faster to drag an old > computer out of the basement, hook it up to a monitor and > search its HD to find the info I needed. > > I'm told there's a list on Yahoo that serves my specific > neighborhood; no one I know is ON it, because they can't > find it either. > > fooey. ;) > > Cheryl Cheryl: I think that is a fair criticism of the "special interest" lists. But I have no trouble whatever in finding a surname list, or a USA county list. For me those are the heart of genealogy. Yes, I admin a couple of the obscure ones; VT-CEMETERIES and VT-CIVIL-WAR, plus one software support list, SECONDSITE. The Vt. cemeteries list had 49 messages in 2012, the Vt. CW list hasn't had a post since Feb. 2011. I used to promote them, here and there, but don't do that much any more -- no effect from the effort, that I could tell. Not surprising, given that there was no interest in taking over the two Vt. lists other than from me, and the developer of Second Site has moved his e-mail based support to a Google group. The biggest problem I have had in the last few years is that the signal to noise ratio coming to my lists from the boards got so low that I ended up closing my last few open gateways. Similar disappointment accompanied my efforts to find the occasional valuable post from non-subscribers. I no longer check those regularly. Yet RootsWeb mailing lists remain some of the most important resources available to me. The Vermont location lists, a few surnames, and the VERY active software list TMG (which has had 569 messages so far this year) ... Darrell

Hi folks, aren't we beating this one to death a bit? Mass posting is never OK, and not helpful either. While it would be great to get the news out to *every* person who might find it useful, our lists will never function that way. Remember, our role as listowner of our lists isn't a position of power, but responsibility. The better we keep our lists on-topic, the more useful they are to the subscribers. Thanks for all you do, Valorie On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > It's been brought to my attention that the post to which I replied earlier > concerned a MASS posting to HUNDREDS of lists of the same identical post. > Obviously a mass posting of this nature and scope would never be relevant to > each of the lists where it has been posted. ::snip -- http://about.me/valoriez::

Hi Nivard There's nothing barring subscribers who buy or sell on the Gen-Materials lists from using PayPal. Using PayPal would be something I would encourage. As far as knowing if lists exist, it's a pity that the NEW-GENLIST seems to have fallen by the wayside. That was a wonderful way of keeping informed about lists. * * * * * * David, you noted in a private message to me that the messages on the Gen-Materials lists all seem to be from sellers. Since others may be interested, I'll answer here: That's because on all of the lists subscribers are asked to make arrangements for purchases off list. Lynne Nivard Ovington wrote: > >Hi Lynne > >I didn't check all the lists, just those I mentioned, I lost interest at >that point > >I see there is trickle on your list but it is a trickle and no more > >The problem is that the would be seller has an extremely limited >audience, thats not to say that I don't think it worthwhile to advertise >on there but who is going to see the posts, very few I would wager > >The better avenues by far would be the specific County list or the likes >of Ebay > >It is far safer for the buyer to use the likes of Paypal which is >totally for the buyer and against the seller rather than configure their >own transaction with someone they don't know > >Posts are so few as it is I can see no reason to have lists that no one >uses as they do not know they exist > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I knew of the list GEN-BOOKS, since I've seen it before because I'm always exploring some of the various Topics lists. One of the companies posting on that list used to post all of the time to the counties along the VA/NC border and was actually offering their Free Books online to the public, which they did for years. But about a year or so ago, I recall seeing one or two complaints on the lists about why they were offering the books, and the administrators apparently stopped them from posting; perhaps one of the adm. recommended that they post to the GEN-BOOKS list. I thought it was a shame, because the company offered quite a number of free books viewable and downloadable to anyone, but I suspect it was the fact that the company also had books for sale (although the links they provided always took you directly to their free books section) that might have caused some confusion and some people didn't like it. I'm sure it was a way for the company to get some advertising for it's other books since it was likely that folks would take a look around the entire site to see what else was there, but frankly, it was a loss to researchers and the company is a legitimate one unlike a certain other one which posts non-stop on the Message Boards. Deloris Williams -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:13 AM To: <listowners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LO] where you can sell books and other things to dowithgenealogy> Hi Lynne > > I didn't check all the lists, just those I mentioned, I lost interest at > that point > > I see there is trickle on your list but it is a trickle and no more > > The problem is that the would be seller has an extremely limited > audience, thats not to say that I don't think it worthwhile to advertise > on there but who is going to see the posts, very few I would wager > > The better avenues by far would be the specific County list or the likes > of Ebay > > It is far safer for the buyer to use the likes of Paypal which is > totally for the buyer and against the seller rather than configure their > own transaction with someone they don't know > > Posts are so few as it is I can see no reason to have lists that no one > uses as they do not know they exist >