On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:23 AM, P. S. & C. A. Wyant <[email protected]> wrote: > Posts are coming to one of my lists but I'm not receiving copies at my > owner's address. What setting do I have to change, pls? And why isn't it > automatic? > > Thanks! > > Peter You are in charge of what accounts are subscribed to any list, and how you want that mail to arrive. It isn't automatic because machines can't read your mind (yet!). Some listowners might want to administer all their lists with one account, and get list mail at another. You can do that, or have everything come to one account. You can get single posts or a digest, or set one address "no mail" so that you can go on vacation and not have your mailbox clog up. At https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ you can see exactly what lists you adminster and subscribe to, using which email accounts. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez

I think there are lots of reasons to register for power users. For people who merely subscribe to a list or two, it is not *necessary* and we shouldn't tell them so. On the other hand, if they are registered and have verified email accounts, we can eliminate that reason for possible problems. So I urge even casual users to register, but tell them that they will continue to recieve list mail as long as their email account accepts it, no matter what. Valorie On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Timothy Stowell <[email protected]> wrote: > Listowners on a couple of lists I'm on, sent a message to the list the need > to register with the software at Rootsweb. > > I question the need for subscribers of the list to register since this > blurb at the bottom of the post says this: > > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > So if a user is already getting email from the list, why register? > > It seems the only reason to register is to manage one's email preferences - > which are likely only if one is receiving list mail and prefers digest mode > or vice versa. Since the notes below that also tell someone how to > unsubscrbe or how to contact the list manager if one has issues, again > negates the need to register. > > ================= > A listowner who is not on this list wondered why his list went from 1000+ > subscribers to 0? I can't answer that for him so I'm sending along the > message from 4/4 - documentation that you and your subscribers might find > useful in hopes that this will assist this listowner. > > Another person wrote me and asked why the lists were down again. After a > little research, and seeing posts to this list coming through, I looked at > the list in question to see when the last post was made and it was in > mid-March - which is true of some of my lists as well. So today they sent > me a post they had sent on 4/3 to the list which does not show up in the > list archives. In return I asked them if they were the listmaster and if > not that they should contact the list manager to see why / if the message > was being held - because otherwise I wasn't sure what to tell them. > > Tim Stowell -- http://about.me/valoriez

Please could you kindly check whether I am now subbed to the list with my both addresses do you think. [email protected] And. [email protected] Thanks very much. Diane Sent from my iPad > On 9 Apr 2018, at 02:48, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Once you are logged in go to > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/. > It is one of the links to the top-right under your name. Choose > Mailman Settings to see Subscriptions, Global Mailman preferences and > Address-based preferences. Click on the links to the left of that > subscriptions page to get to your lists Info page, and if you are the > listowner, all the settings, held posts and so forth. > > If you have not created a login, now is the time to do so. Listowners > who fail to do so will lose their lists. > > http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/setupadmin <--- for > those who have not yet logged in. > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Diane Sowden via LISTOWNERS > <[email protected]> wrote: >> How do I do that please? >> >> Diane >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 01:30, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> By the way, you can always check status of which email accounts and >>> lists are subscribed to at your own personal list: >>> >>> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ >>> >>> Remember to link all your email accounts to ONE account rather than >>> creating several. >>> >>> Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Once you are logged in go to https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/. It is one of the links to the top-right under your name. Choose Mailman Settings to see Subscriptions, Global Mailman preferences and Address-based preferences. Click on the links to the left of that subscriptions page to get to your lists Info page, and if you are the listowner, all the settings, held posts and so forth. If you have not created a login, now is the time to do so. Listowners who fail to do so will lose their lists. http://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/listindexes/setupadmin <--- for those who have not yet logged in. On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Diane Sowden via LISTOWNERS <[email protected]> wrote: > How do I do that please? > > Diane > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 9 Apr 2018, at 01:30, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> By the way, you can always check status of which email accounts and >> lists are subscribed to at your own personal list: >> >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ >> >> Remember to link all your email accounts to ONE account rather than >> creating several. >> >> Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez

How do I do that please? Diane Sent from my iPad > On 9 Apr 2018, at 01:30, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> wrote: > > By the way, you can always check status of which email accounts and > lists are subscribed to at your own personal list: > > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > Remember to link all your email accounts to ONE account rather than > creating several. > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

By the way, you can always check status of which email accounts and lists are subscribed to at your own personal list: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ Remember to link all your email accounts to ONE account rather than creating several. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez

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It *is* a simple solution, but the person has to be in the right place to 'hear' (ie understand) that it is the solution to their problem and be willing to learn something new. Until that time you can scream until you're blue in the face, and they won't hear it - that's human nature. So keep offering it up as an alternative, and those who are receptive will pick it up. For the rest, the digest is the right solution for them, and they will live with that and all it entails, until such time as they're ready for a change, if that time ever arrives. I agree that the searching in Thunderbird is excellent. It is in Gmail, too. I stopped using Thunderbird a few months back and only use the Gmail web interface now. I have a lot of filters, largely to move things like list mail (and list-owner notifications) out of the Inbox, or label mail from expected regulars when the mail first arrives (weather forecasts, power bills, mail copied from other addresses I monitor, companies trying to sell me stuff, etc). In my maibox, anything in the Inbox that doesn't have a label applied to it is usually either actual personal mail from a friend (which is rare) or is spam - in either case, it warrants a closer look. On the flip side, when I look at the spam folder, anything with a label (other than one I have set for a common variation on my email address that spammers often use) needs to be looked at as it is likely to be genuine mail mis-sorted as spam. I make it work for me. :-) Wendy On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Wendy > > I too have had many a conversation re digests, along the lines of why use > them but some (many) are set in their ways and have no desire to change > > As to being a simple solution? far from it for the majority of people > > As to using rules or filters, you haven't a chance with a great many > subscribers, they don't know what they are and don't want to, they manage > what they have and do not see such things as filters as a step forward, but > only as something else they have to learn and frankly many are simply not > interested in learning more about computers, as long as it works its good > enough > > Having said that, I used to be an ardent fan of filters with Outlook > Express, but when I moved to Thunderbird I soon realised the futility of > them > > Thunderbirds search is so good I have no need of filters at all > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 08-Apr-18 9:51 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: > >> A simple answer to the problem is to not get the digest, and manage the >> incoming mail adequately. Then they'd have all the mail there, ready to >> read when they wanted to do so, and in the meantime it would not be >> cluttering up their Inboxes > >

Thanks Wendy I too have had many a conversation re digests, along the lines of why use them but some (many) are set in their ways and have no desire to change As to being a simple solution? far from it for the majority of people As to using rules or filters, you haven't a chance with a great many subscribers, they don't know what they are and don't want to, they manage what they have and do not see such things as filters as a step forward, but only as something else they have to learn and frankly many are simply not interested in learning more about computers, as long as it works its good enough Having said that, I used to be an ardent fan of filters with Outlook Express, but when I moved to Thunderbird I soon realised the futility of them Thunderbirds search is so good I have no need of filters at all Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08-Apr-18 9:51 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: > A simple answer to the problem is to not get the digest, and manage the > incoming mail adequately. Then they'd have all the mail there, ready to > read when they wanted to do so, and in the meantime it would not be > cluttering up their Inboxes. >

A simple answer to the problem is to not get the digest, and manage the incoming mail adequately. Then they'd have all the mail there, ready to read when they wanted to do so, and in the meantime it would not be cluttering up their Inboxes. I find it tends to be a matter of education, that the digest-receiver has no idea they have these options until there's an issue with the digest and they're looking for a solution, so I've had this conversation many times with people subscribed to lists I'm involved with. Set up a filter to identify the list mail (usually by the address the email is sent to - the list's address, or Gmail will recognise the list name if you tell it to set a filter from a list post), and place the mail in it's own folder or one set up for a group of lists. In Gmail, I have the filter set to Skip the Inbox and Apply a Label. Now that the filter is in place, the mail is sitting unread away from the Inbox, and I can go to it when I'm ready to read it. I can see at a glance in the list of folders (or labels, in Gmail) when there is unread mail waiting. Microsoft tends to call filters "rules" in their programs. I wrote instructions, years ago now, for a non-genealogy list I help with, and put them on my personal web site - https://sites.google.com/site/wendyhoward/Home/computer-how-to/setting-a-rule-or-filter Wendy On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:09 AM, Gene Phillips <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the reason may be the bloated size of messages now. Between spam > checkers and antivirus programs headers of messages have become very large. > The messages to this list are 16-20 kb whereas a couple of years ago they > were in the 3-4kb range. I looked through my old messages and this occurred > about Oct-Nov 2016. There were no messages form Oct 7 - Nov 3 2016. There > was a crash of the system at that time. When it came back online the > average size of the messages had doubled. On Nov 15 2016 the average > message size increased about10kb. Ironically the first message where the > size jumped on this list was from someone who had concerns about the > frequency of digest and how big the digest should be. The average size > dropped back about 10kb when the latest version came back online. > > Some of my digest subscribers replied to my admin message about the lists > being on line and the messages are over 30kb. They didn't clean up the > message before hitting send. I'm waiting for today when a digest subscriber > replies to reply from a digest subscriber. > > Gene > > At 05:15 AM 4/8/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > >I have had a few subscribers bail out as they were having to many posts > in a day > > > >I was mystified by this at first but they failed to say they were digest > takers or I would have cottoned on quicker, apparently they were getting 20 > or more digests in a day with only one or two posts and their replies in > them > > > >I know its been mentioned recently but have been made aware the old > digest size settings have all defaulted to 30kb > > > >I cannot refer back but seem to remember setting mine at 60kb ? > > > >Can anyone clarify if thats about the right size or should it be more > > > > > >-- > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ > >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > >--- > >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >http://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thank you - he has let me know that he's subscribed. FWIW I try to help my subscribers no matter what the problem. Lin On 08/04/2018 20:58, Lynne wrote: > If such a query came to me about another list, I would tell the would-be subscriber that some lists require admin approval for a subscription request to be processed, that admins aren't on line 24/7, and that s/he should contact the list's admin at [email protected] with any questions about the list. > > FWIW, the list is mine and there are no subscriptions pending. > > Lynne > > > Lin Duke <[email protected]> wrote: >> Does anyone on here admin this list? I've just found a query in my junk >> folder from one of my subscribers who is having trouble subscribing to >> this list - says it's pending but nothing has happened although he says >> he's followed the instructions. >> >> Lin > . >

Under Settings>List Settings>Message Acceptance is where you will find the options you seek. At 02:47 PM 4/8/2018, David E. Cann wrote: >Can anyone tell me how to moderate a list, should the need arise top do so >please? I just moderated my first subscriber (for profanity), and it >occurred to me to ponder how to do it with a list now. I doubt I have done >it 7 or 8 times in 20 years, but I'd like to know for future information. >Thanks. > > >David E. Cann >[email protected] > > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com

If such a query came to me about another list, I would tell the would-be subscriber that some lists require admin approval for a subscription request to be processed, that admins aren't on line 24/7, and that s/he should contact the list's admin at [email protected] with any questions about the list. FWIW, the list is mine and there are no subscriptions pending. Lynne Lin Duke <[email protected]> wrote: > >Does anyone on here admin this list? I've just found a query in my junk >folder from one of my subscribers who is having trouble subscribing to >this list - says it's pending but nothing has happened although he says >he's followed the instructions. > >Lin

Can anyone tell me how to moderate a list, should the need arise top do so please? I just moderated my first subscriber (for profanity), and it occurred to me to ponder how to do it with a list now. I doubt I have done it 7 or 8 times in 20 years, but I'd like to know for future information. Thanks. David E. Cann [email protected]

Listowners on a couple of lists I'm on, sent a message to the list the need to register with the software at Rootsweb. I question the need for subscribers of the list to register since this blurb at the bottom of the post says this: You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ So if a user is already getting email from the list, why register? It seems the only reason to register is to manage one's email preferences - which are likely only if one is receiving list mail and prefers digest mode or vice versa. Since the notes below that also tell someone how to unsubscrbe or how to contact the list manager if one has issues, again negates the need to register. ================= A listowner who is not on this list wondered why his list went from 1000+ subscribers to 0? I can't answer that for him so I'm sending along the message from 4/4 - documentation that you and your subscribers might find useful in hopes that this will assist this listowner. Another person wrote me and asked why the lists were down again. After a little research, and seeing posts to this list coming through, I looked at the list in question to see when the last post was made and it was in mid-March - which is true of some of my lists as well. So today they sent me a post they had sent on 4/3 to the list which does not show up in the list archives. In return I asked them if they were the listmaster and if not that they should contact the list manager to see why / if the message was being held - because otherwise I wasn't sure what to tell them. Tim Stowell

Posts are coming to one of my lists but I'm not receiving copies at my owner's address. What setting do I have to change, pls? And why isn't it automatic? Thanks! Peter

Part of the reason may be the bloated size of messages now. Between spam checkers and antivirus programs headers of messages have become very large. The messages to this list are 16-20 kb whereas a couple of years ago they were in the 3-4kb range. I looked through my old messages and this occurred about Oct-Nov 2016. There were no messages form Oct 7 - Nov 3 2016. There was a crash of the system at that time. When it came back online the average size of the messages had doubled. On Nov 15 2016 the average message size increased about10kb. Ironically the first message where the size jumped on this list was from someone who had concerns about the frequency of digest and how big the digest should be. The average size dropped back about 10kb when the latest version came back online. Some of my digest subscribers replied to my admin message about the lists being on line and the messages are over 30kb. They didn't clean up the message before hitting send. I'm waiting for today when a digest subscriber replies to reply from a digest subscriber. Gene At 05:15 AM 4/8/2018, Nivard Ovington wrote: >I have had a few subscribers bail out as they were having to many posts in a day > >I was mystified by this at first but they failed to say they were digest takers or I would have cottoned on quicker, apparently they were getting 20 or more digests in a day with only one or two posts and their replies in them > >I know its been mentioned recently but have been made aware the old digest size settings have all defaulted to 30kb > >I cannot refer back but seem to remember setting mine at 60kb ? > >Can anyone clarify if thats about the right size or should it be more > > >-- >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com

Hi Mary Just sorted my own Query Board admin access. So long as you know your User Name for the Query Board sign-in, use the “Forgot” link at the Message Boards sign-up screen and after creating a new Password, you should be taken to your admin area. If that doesn’t work or it asks you for the old (forgotten) password, you will need to contact [email protected] and explain the problem - give them your user-name, and the related e-mail address - you should also say if one or both is/are the same as you use for the mailing list or not. Regards Peter ButeshireGenWeb > On 8 Apr 2018, Mary D. Taffet wrote: > > For some of the mailing lists that I manage, I also manage the paired > message board. It used to be the case that when I logged in to Rootsweb > with my old account, I could easily manage both the lists and the boards > from the old page that listed both and gave me the links to the Admin > logins for all. > > Now that I have a new account for the new mailing list system, I don't > seem to have any way to get to my message board admin tools. I need to > do that now because reviewing a held message from the message board > gateway (using View Source) alerted me to the fact that the new message > board post was asking for money. So I need to find a way to delete the > post. I did report abuse on it until I can access that tools page. > > If any of my fellow list admins know the secret of getting access to > their message board admin interfaces, please let me know what you did. > I sure hope it doesn't require logging out of the new account and > logging back in to the old account -- if I even remember what that > password was.

I have had a few subscribers bail out as they were having to many posts in a day I was mystified by this at first but they failed to say they were digest takers or I would have cottoned on quicker, apparently they were getting 20 or more digests in a day with only one or two posts and their replies in them I know its been mentioned recently but have been made aware the old digest size settings have all defaulted to 30kb I cannot refer back but seem to remember setting mine at 60kb ? Can anyone clarify if thats about the right size or should it be more -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Diane Sowden via LISTOWNERS <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi they please could you tell me what is the difference between an owner and moderator of lists please and what they can do please? > > Thanks for answering > > Diane Owner/admins can do all the functions: add another owner, remove one, add and remove subscribers, and accept, discard or reject held posts, along with changing list settings. Moderators can deal with held messages. In short, you only need a moderator if your list is extremely busy or all posts are held. Valorie PS: Diane, you are not subscribed to this list right now, just fyi. -- http://about.me/valoriez