I have several people posting normally, same list, I have some getting caught, on personal inspection of settings, they should be posting normally.  I worked with them on test posts directly. Still na held.   I get all my messages posted ok. I get the subscription messages when some one subs. I get the post verification where I have it set at on one list I tested that. I subbed one of my addresses to a list and got the proper messages and tested a post that worked. What ever is holding messages, is not affecting my personal posts or a few other people. If it was an internal problem, I would think it would affect all posts and all addresses. Since it dont, I am thinking it has to be a header problem or? I used all my gmail address and my d-matney domain address with not problems, so this tells me, if people on gmail, might have have some thing in certain headers or encryption or security to high?    It also can't be the html or plain text because I have both in my addresses posting ok. What ever is holing up certain messages, might look into the details of those, our headers don't explain this, just says hit the threshold to get held. or Explicit address etc:  Also possible is a glitch of mailman install from the get go. Dan M

I am in the same boat, Nivard. I just had the greatest joy that a subscription request to Eng-Shropshire went through without me having to do anything. At least the sun is shining at the moment! Sherry (in sunny Slough) On 13 April 2018 at 22:40, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are > not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, > yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for > release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use > plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers >> are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

That was my thought 5 days ago after looking at the headers of a message that was held for N/A. All the messages I've received for moderation for N/A all have the following line in the headers X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: max-size Gene At 04:49 AM 4/14/2018, Meryl Yost wrote: >Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a >setting to change the size?

Meryl, Often one can get a "too big" post when the sender is using Rich Text and not Plain Text. I just reject them and ask that they change it to Plain. It's easy. Just copy the message and post it to something like Notepad which will drop off the coding. Then recopy the message off Notepad and paste it to a Rootsweb message. Takes 5 seconds. Janet On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Meryl Yost <[email protected]> wrote: > Further to my previous message, I have just checked a bounce to the > AUS-Tasmania list that I still have from before the change with Mailman. > The reason stated for the message being held was: > > Reason: Message body is too big: 18748 bytes with a limit of 10 KB > > Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a > setting to change the size? > Is the reason given n/a (not applicable) because there is no setting in the > new system to give the reason that the message is too large? > > Meryl Yost > AUS-Tasmania list > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Further to my previous message, I have just checked a bounce to the AUS-Tasmania list that I still have from before the change with Mailman. The reason stated for the message being held was: Reason: Message body is too big: 18748 bytes with a limit of 10 KB Are we getting messages held because they are too large? Do we need a setting to change the size? Is the reason given n/a (not applicable) because there is no setting in the new system to give the reason that the message is too large? Meryl Yost AUS-Tasmania list

I only have two subscribers whose messages get straight through to the list with very small messages. If I reply to them my messages are held for approval and I do reply in plain text and remove the footers. All other subscriber messages are held for approval. Some are obviously in html format as they show as attachment.html but others are plain text. I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with the size of the messages allowed through to the list. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to change the maximum size allowable other than for Digest. Meryl Yost AUS-Tasmania list

Nivard, There are two (2) places for post settings. One is under Member Options then Administrative Options then Moderation. The other is under List Settings. I would assume the 2 must agree, or perhaps member supercedes List?? If you want to play around with these write me directly and I will sub into one of your inactive lists and we'll see if we can make the error happen and then go away/ Janet On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Janet > > No I have checked all lists to make sure they are set the same individually > > Under Settings > Message Acceptance > > This one is set to Accept immediately (bypass other rules) > > With non members Hold for moderation > > Yet the simplest of messages including my own get held > > Unless there is a setting elsewhere I am unaware of ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14-Apr-18 9:08 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > >> Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are >> you >> subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single >> list >> but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. >> Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't >> seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post >> immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all >> lists in one swoop. >> >> Janet >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Janet, what do you mean by, "are you subbed in as post immediately?" Is this another setting hidden somewhere that I have failed to find in spite of looking for it? FWIW I have set my List to accept immediately from subscribers, but it isn't doing that. It holds all messages irrespective of whether they are from subscribers or not. Fortunately or unfortunately it's not a very busy list at the moment, and it's easy enough to approve them individually, but if I had multiple Lists, or was getting a lot of posts, it would be a right PITA. Anne ANGUS List Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 April 2018 09:09 To: Listowners list for Rootsweb list admins and moderators Subject: [LO]Re: na and subscriber posts Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all lists in one swoop. Janet On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and > are not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an > attachment, yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held > for release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only > use plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, >> headers are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Janet No I have checked all lists to make sure they are set the same individually Under Settings > Message Acceptance This one is set to Accept immediately (bypass other rules) With non members Hold for moderation Yet the simplest of messages including my own get held Unless there is a setting elsewhere I am unaware of ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14-Apr-18 9:08 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you > subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list > but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. > Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't > seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post > immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all > lists in one swoop. > > Janet

David, This is probably silly but could you have accidentally put ON the emergency entire list hold command? Janet On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:57 AM, David E. Cann <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne, > > I have done everything you have told me to do, including TAKING THREE DAYS > of my volunteer time to reset ALL of my "message acceptance" options > because > that was your latest guess that you said would work. However, I've now > returned to sending my welcome letters you said to send and NOT A SINGLE > ONE > OF THEM has escaped the Held Message trap yes, along with a fair number of > legitimate subscriber posts as well. Is this going to stay this way? Is > it > going to be fixed? I am only speaking for myself, but there are an awful > lot of other List Owners out there in the same fix and all I keep getting > are more suggestions that do not work. > > Please help. > > > David E. Cann > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:list[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Nivard, On the list where your posts are being held for moderation, are you subbed in as post immediately? I had that problem at first on a single list but after I changed the coding all have been going through OK. Although it appears that you set a code once in one place, that doesn't seem to be exactly true. I think you have to set things like post immediately on each list; it is not a single setting that applies to all lists in one swoop. Janet On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are > not held > > We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, > yet they are getting through now > > If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for > release > > Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) > > And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use > plain text and have always done so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > >> Exactly. >> As said, in theory. >> and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are >> showing up caught as well as plain text. >> Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and >> especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. >> Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no >> signatures and v cards. >> Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers >> are caught or something? >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestr > y.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

One thing seems to work. LO and the message holder.!;) On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:57 PM David E. Cann <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne, > > I have done everything you have told me to do, including TAKING THREE DAYS > of my volunteer time to reset ALL of my "message acceptance" options > because > that was your latest guess that you said would work. However, I've now > returned to sending my welcome letters you said to send and NOT A SINGLE > ONE > OF THEM has escaped the Held Message trap yes, along with a fair number of > legitimate subscriber posts as well. Is this going to stay this way? Is > it > going to be fixed? I am only speaking for myself, but there are an awful > lot of other List Owners out there in the same fix and all I keep getting > are more suggestions that do not work. > > Please help. > > > David E. Cann > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I can relate to that. Also last upgrade suggestions were also not working. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:57 PM David E. Cann <[email protected]> wrote: > Anne, > > I have done everything you have told me to do, including TAKING THREE DAYS > of my volunteer time to reset ALL of my "message acceptance" options > because > that was your latest guess that you said would work. However, I've now > returned to sending my welcome letters you said to send and NOT A SINGLE > ONE > OF THEM has escaped the Held Message trap yes, along with a fair number of > legitimate subscriber posts as well. Is this going to stay this way? Is > it > going to be fixed? I am only speaking for myself, but there are an awful > lot of other List Owners out there in the same fix and all I keep getting > are more suggestions that do not work. > > Please help. > > > David E. Cann > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Anne, I have done everything you have told me to do, including TAKING THREE DAYS of my volunteer time to reset ALL of my "message acceptance" options because that was your latest guess that you said would work. However, I've now returned to sending my welcome letters you said to send and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has escaped the Held Message trap yes, along with a fair number of legitimate subscriber posts as well. Is this going to stay this way? Is it going to be fixed? I am only speaking for myself, but there are an awful lot of other List Owners out there in the same fix and all I keep getting are more suggestions that do not work. Please help. David E. Cann [email protected]

The problem is that some attachments are making it to the lists and are not held We have become used to telling subscribers they cannot post an attachment, yet they are getting through now If they are getting through it can't be the reason some posts are held for release Plus I am having my own posts held for my own moderation ;-) And I certainly don't use HTML , V cards are whatever else , I only use plain text and have always done so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Apr-18 6:24 PM, Dan M wrote: > Exactly. > As said, in theory. > and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are > showing up caught as well as plain text. > Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and > especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. > Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no > signatures and v cards. >   Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers > are caught or something?

Exactly. As said, in theory. and so fat they don't, my point was, not only html but v cards are showing up caught as well as plain text. Some attachments are so small, they could* slip past settings, and especially since setting don't work,who know whats going on in there. Any way, since last 20 years we have told people plain text and no signatures and v cards.   Maybe something in the mail programs is not pure plain text, headers are caught or something? On 04/13/2018 10:06 AM, Gene Phillips wrote: > V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. > > Gene > > At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >> how about V cards ? >> I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >> View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ >> >> Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

In theory they don't Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-Apr-18 6:06 PM, Gene Phillips wrote: > V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. > > Gene > > At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >> how about V cards ? >> I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >> Dan

V-Card is sent as an attachment and the lists don't take attachments. Gene At 10:27 AM 4/13/2018, Dan M wrote: >how about V cards ? >I noticed a couple of those who can't post are using those. >Dan > >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > >Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com

broken web page http://seeker.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/htsearch Lots of us have to re do web pages unless this is fixed or denied? I have found a non rootsweb search engine in this case? Dan

I been reading and watching all going on and even following up on suggestions.   How ever. the certain addresses being caught are still caught, no matter what.   So, I figure, maybe the mail man security is up to high? Just a thought.  I don't see much reason to be up too high since we have the catch to approve it it deny it? Dan