Is this SPAM? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Free Services Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 8/20/97 5:40 PM Hi, Hope you don't mind me dropping a note to let all who are interested know about the following free services. TREE TOPS FAMILY TREE QUERY SERVICE: The idea is to send your FAMILY TREE QUERY of no more than 40 words which must include a postal address, and it will go on the television screen on Sky News fastext for one week and be seen all over the UK, Ireland and Europe. This is a FREE service and you do not need to have the facility to use it. At the end of each month a copy of the un-edited version of the queries are in the TREE TOPS GENEALOGICAL JOURNAL which also contains other bits of information and useful titbits. This is available for sale each month and is bought by researchers in many other countries so once your message has gone on screen you do get 'passed around' a bit. The 2nd FREE service is called 'WE'LL MEET AGAIN" which is also a query service but more for the living, old pals, war buddies, 20c descendants etc. Again 40 words, there is no Print out for this service. All queries for the above two services to be sent to:- tree.tops@virgin.net putting TREE TOPS QUERY on the message line or by snail mail to P.O. BOX 116, SWINDON, WILTS SN3 2SX, ENGLAND No limit to the number of queries you can send but you will only get ONE on per week. The 3rd FREE service is a similar service for those who have Canadian research. This is run by Mary in Canada and is called MAPLE LEAF QUERIES. Maple Leaf is a similar service for those who have Canadian research. Send your query and it will go on our web page for one month and can be seen by any surfers of the net. Mary says please BE SURE TO INCLUDE DATES AND remember that Canada is a very large country. Please PROVIDE A LOCATION, A PROVINCE AT MINIMUM, if at all possible. Send to:- traces@cadvision.com putting MAPLE LEAF QUERY on the message line. Mary also has PUBLICATIONS and holds indexes, which are ongoing, referring to immigration (CANADIAN BORDER ENTRY LISTS, 1908-1918; PRE 1865 PASSENGER LISTS FROM NEWSPAPERS), and has started an index for ALBERTA RESEARCHERS called: SOUTH WEST ALBERTA GENEALOGICAL INDEX. All searches are FREE; SMALL CHARGE for references. Check our web page for more information. Home page: http://www.cadvision.com/traces/ Tree Tops: http://www.cadvision.com/traces/treetops.html Wiltshire Index Service: http://www.cadvision.com/traces/wis.html Hope this information has been of some help. Regards Carol (Tree Tops)

I agree with Tom. I've seen too many instances where help came to subscribers of the lists by nonsubscribers. Dwayne Crandall ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Please don't....... Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 8/7/97 9:12 PM Please DON'T close my list. I what nonsubscribers to post. Thanks, Tom Nagy

How did you get on this list? I thought this was for those who had lists. If so, apparently it's not a closed or private list. What about this Karen or Brian? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FitzRandolph genealogy list Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 8/16/97 1:21 PM How does a person strat a list. A fellow researcher suggested that I start one for this family and said that it should be fairly easy to do so with some help. Can someone send me a list of directions? Thank you. Sarah John

Whoops, Sorry, my memory was bad. Apparently it was Jim and/or Mary Pat Young who asked the question - not John Rigdon who apparently IS SUPERSTORE??? Dwayne }:>} - embarrassed grin

Hi Carol, I agree. I have had it on my web site as a link for some time. Dwayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: THANKS for the Liszt URL!!! Author: listowners-L@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 3/11/98 9:58 AM Thanks for the Liszt URL - I've used it, but had lost it when I ost my other bookmarks, and needed it again - it is essential (or at least very handy to have) when hunting non-genealogy lists!! I hope all the genealogy lists I manage are referenced at Liszt, because lots of folks probably go there that would not know about (or even think about) a genealogy-only website. Carol

What was it encoded in? Where are the headers? Dwayne Crandall CLARY-L, CRAIN-L, & CRANDALL-L ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: What does this mean? Author: listowners-L@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 3/8/98 4:11 PM Q2FuIHNvbWVvbmUgcGxlYXNlIGhlbHAgbWUgZmlndXJlIG91dCB3aHkgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2lu ZyBtZXNzYWdlIGJvdW5jZWQNCmJhY2sgdG8NCm1lPyBUaGlzIGlzIG9uZSBvZiBhYm91dCA3 IHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGdvdHRlbiB0b2RheS4gIFRoYW5rcyEhDQoNClN1c2FuIE11bmR5DQpB bGxlZ2FueSBjb3VudHkgY29vcmRpbmF0b3IvTllBTExFR0EtTCBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3Qgb3du ZXINCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1pbmRzcHJpbmcuY29tL35tbXVuZHkvYWxsZWdhbnkuaHRtPmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cubWluZHNwcmluZy5jb20vfg0KbW11bmR5L2FsbGVnYW55Lmh0bQ0KTWVja2xl bmJ1cmcgY291bnR5IGNvb3JkaW5hdG9yLyBOQ01FQ0tMRS1MIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdCBvd25l cg0KPGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWluZHNwcmluZy5jb20vfm1tdW5keS9tZWNrbGVuYnVyZy5odG0+ aHR0cDovL3d3dy5taW5kc3ByaW5nLmNvDQptL35tbXVuZHkvbWVja2xlbmJ1cmcuaHRtDQoN Cg0KPkRhdGU6IFN1biwgOCBNYXIgMTk5OCAxMzoyOTo1OSAtMDgwMCAoUFNUKQ0KPlgtRnJv bV86IE1BSUxFUi1EQUVNT06gIFN1biBNYXKgIDggMTM6Mjk6NTggMTk5OA0KPlgtTG90dXMt RnJvbURvbWFpbjogVkFOQ1BPV0VSDQo+RnJvbTogcG9zdG1hc3RlckBvanNtdHBtdGEudmFw b3dlci5jb20NCj5SZXBseS1UbzogcG9zdG1hc3RlckBvanNtdHBtdGEudmFwb3dlci5jb20N Cj5UbzogTkNNRUNLTEUtTC1yZXF1ZXN0QHJvb3Rzd2ViLmNvbQ0KPk9sZC1EYXRlOiBTYXQs IDcgTWFyIDE5OTggMjE6MTg6NTkgKzAwMDANCj5TdWJqZWN0OiBbTkNNRUNLTEUtTF0gU2hh ZHJhY2sgSmFja3Nvbg0KPlgtRGlhZ25vc3RpYzogTWFpbCBjb21pbmcgZnJvbSBhIGRhZW1v biwgaWdub3JlZA0KPlgtRW52ZWxvcGUtVG86IE5DTUVDS0xFLUwtcmVxdWVzdA0KPg0KPg0K Pg0KPkRlbGl2ZXJ5IEZhaWx1cmUgUmVwb3J0DQo+oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+ IFlvdXKgoKCgoKCgoCBbTkNNRUNLTEUtTF0gU2hhZHJhY2sgSmFja3NvbqCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+IGRvY3VtZW50OqCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+oKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+IHdhcyBub3SgoKCgoCBMZWUgVHVybmVyL0NPUlBDVFIvVkFO Q1BPV0VSoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+IGRlbGl2ZXJlZCB0 b6CgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+IDqgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKAgDQo+IGJlY2F1c2U6oKCgoCBSb3V0ZXI6IFVuYWJsZSB0byBvcGVuIG1haWxib3ggZmls ZSBXSUxMT1cvU0VSVkVSUy9WQU5DUE9XRVIgDQo+oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoCBtYWlsLmJveDog U2VydmVyIG5vdCByZXNwb25kaW5noKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+ oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgDQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+oKAgT0pTTVRQ TVRBL1NFUlZFUlMvVkFOQ1BPV0VSLCBTRVFVT0lBL1NFUlZFUlMvVkFOQ1BPV0VSLA0KPqCg IFNFUVVPSUEvU0VSVkVSUy9WQU5DUE9XRVIsIE9KU01UUE1UQS9TRVJWRVJTL1ZBTkNQT1dF Ug0KPg0KPg0KPg0KPqCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoCBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX18NCj4NCj4NCj5UbzqgoKCgoKAgIk5DTUVDS0xFLUxAcm9vdHN3ZWIuY29tIiA8 TkNNRUNLTEUtTEByb290c3dlYi5jb20+DQo+Y2M6DQo+RnJvbTqgoKCgIExlZSBSYWxwaCA8 bGVyYWxwaEBrc3ByZXNzLmNvbT4NCj5EYXRlOqCgoKAgMDMvMDcvOTggMDk6MTg6NTkgUE0g R01UDQo+U3ViamVjdDqgIFtOQ01FQ0tMRS1MXSBTaGFkcmFjayBKYWNrc29uDQo+DQo+DQo+ DQo+DQo+SGVsbG8sDQo+SSBhbSByZXNlYXJjaGluZyBTaGFkcmFjayBKYWNrc29uIG9mIENh c3dlbGwgQ28gYW5kIE1lY2tsZW5idXJnIENvLiwgTkMuDQo+Q2FuIGFueW9uZSBjb25uZWN0 IHRvIGhpbT8NCj5UaGFua3MsDQo+TGVlIFJhbHBoDQo+IA0KDQo=

Sorry, But Houston is too far away for me to attend. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Friend@public.com? Author: listowners-L@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 3/24/98 8:08 AM Where do these people get our addresses? Who is "Friend@public.com"? Do some listowners have their mail lists open to the public? I usually just delete these things since I don't get but maybe a couple a week, but it IS annoying! Gail Subject: Spring Branch Honda Spring Sale Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 00:26:24 EST From: katyz271@hotmail.com To: Friend@public.com As an internet subscriber you are invited to attend Spring Branch Honda's Spring Spectacular Internet Car Buyers Sale. Thursday March 26, 1998 from 3 to 9pm we will be giving away... FREE Educational Software for your children FREE Refreshments and Drinks All Day Best of all... you qualify for up to $1000, $2000, or $3000 off MSRP on selected 1998 vehicles in the inventory of Spring Branch Honda with approved credit. This discount is not valid for previously sold or undeliverable vehicles or advertised prices. Don't waste another payment. Come into Spring Branch Honda this Thursday (March 26th). We are located at 10250 Old Katy Road, Houston TX 77043 To get a price on a certified New or Used Honda e-mail us at: busdev@online-success.com

Thanks Pat, This is the SECOND time I've received some valuable information from this list. BTW, how long do you cook the pizza and at what temperature? Dwayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Make your own pizza with alittle help from me. Author: listowners-L@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 3/24/98 2:31 PM First thing is: Go to Sam's Club or whatever place you can buy pizza crust. Buy a good pizza sauce or make your own. Grated cheese- Cheddar and Italian Cheese. This is called a Special First make a cheese pizza for a 12" pizza Medium use 1 1/2 oz. sausage, 13 pepperoni , mushrooms 1/2 c., onions, 1/4 chopped, green pepper 1/8 cup chopped. Canadian bacon 11 slices or 4 oz. olives 1/3 cup sliced Put a handful of cheese on canadian bacon then add olives on top. Sprinkle cheddar and Italian cheese. for 14oz. Large 2 1/4 oz. sausage, 16 pepperoni, 1 c. mushrooms, 1/4 c. onions, 1/8 c. g.pepper, 14 slices canadian bacon or 6 oz. 1/2 c. olives for 16oz. Family size: 1 3/4 c. sausage, 20 pepperoni, 11/4 c. mushrooms, 1/3 c. onions, 1/4 c. g. pepper, 18 slices canadian bacon or 7 1/2 oz. and 2/3 c. olives(black) If you want some more recipes for pizza let me know I'll send them to the list. I have pepperoni, canadian bacon, vegetarian, sausage, reuben, hawaiian. Pat

DEFINITELY SPAM! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Rootsweb COOKBOOK -- taking orders now! Author: listowners-L@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 3/9/98 11:54 PM Hi, friends, The order form is up and ready at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4793/temp.html If you don't have internet access you can order via email. The cost of the book is $10.00 incl.tax/shipping, and we have OVER 500 recipes/remedies!!!! Orders will be taken until March 25...so order yours now. Remember, payment must be sent right away. We cannot order the books without advance payment. When ordering by email be sure to include your name, street address (where you want the book/s sent), number of books desired, and total $... Make check or money order payable to Homespun Cookbook and send it to Homespun Cookbook c/o 2200 Green Acres Dr. Rogers, AR 72758 If you have friends who are ordering books and it is possible, please give only one address to send all the books to. This will save us postage and increase the profit to ROOTSWEB... Thanks Sandi & Shirley PS - These will make great birthday, wedding shower and Christmas gifts!

Always before I have refrained from forwarding items I believed non-genealogical in nature. Please forgive me for breaking this rule; however, I believe the following should be given as much dissemination as possible. ---------- > > > > [The] President has sign into law a bill that affects all veterans. The kicker to this is that the V.A. can not put out any information on this law. It has to be done by word of moth or letters from one veteran to another. I checked this all out and it is true. > If you have not registered at a V.A. Hospital since Oct 1, 1996 and if you do not registered with them before Oct.1, 1998 you will lose all medical benefits for life. To register you need DD-214 form. I called my county V.A. section and they are mailing the forms to me. Check either with the county V.A. section or with the V.A. Hospital near you. You can also call any V.A. Office for help on this. Please pass this alone , Thanks Dwayne's addition follows: >> I called my local VA Hospital and forms are being mailed to me. Dwayne Crandall

A subscriber sent me this request for help and I know nothing about the company. Does anyone know of it? Good or bad. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I would like to ask if you have any information about the following company who claims to do genealogical research. They solicited me via the internet and claim to have found valuable information. Information I have been researching for over two years without any success. They want payment >before they provide the information and offer no guarantee as to my satisfaction that the data is true and accurate. Is Joe Daniels Ltd. a reputable genealogical research organization? I seem to recall reading something about them stating they basically misrepresent themselves and rarely if ever provided any valuable genealogical research services or information. [Their] full company name is: Joe Daniel, Daniel-Warren & Co., Ltd. http://www.danielco.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for any assistance. Dwayne Crandall listmogul CLARY-L, CRAIN-L, CRANDALL-L http://www.geocitie.com/MotorCity/1949

Do we need to give positive ok to put our surname files here? If so, I give it for the CLARY, CRAIN, & CRANDALL lists. Sorry if this is an old topic, I've been out of town for a while. Dwayne Crandall ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Status Report: Web Based Archives Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 11/18/97 10:15 AM At 13:38 17-11-1997 -0500, you wrote: > >The RootsWeb web based email archives are now available in its "close >to final" format. > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists > >All (?) those who have manually subscribed archiver@lists.rootsweb.com >to your lists should be seeing the new messages archived. > I can put my lists in that list? Nelson : J.Nelson Vieira da Silva http://aramis.inescn.pt/~nsilva : INESC - PORTO : Praca da Republica, 93 r/c Official Magna Carta Homepage : 4050 Porto PORTUGAL http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3389 .........................................................................

Thanks, But I'm at work. }:>( BTW, isn/t this off topic? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Nice Day? Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 10/15/97 9:49 AM Hope you're having a superly-NICE one tonight, a better day tomorrow, and great times forever more. http://www.MarketCom.com/MktAgent/

Perhaps they should use the money to fix their crummy system. Just one man's humble opinion who gets his internet and e-mail free from "Uncle Sam" and you taxpayers. (tongue in cheek) smiley emoticons profusely scattered about. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: AOL's filing 2nd lawsuit against spammers Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 10/20/97 11:29 PM AOL is filing 2nd federal lawsuit. If successful, the spammers will be declared criminals and can be prosecuted as such. We are holding our breaths. W. David Samuelsen

Dayna, I hesitate to get into the "copywright" fray knowing the history of this list and did not so some months back. However, you've asked some questions that probably should be addressed. Here is my take (note I am not offering legal advice or professional opinion), just summarizing what has been sent to me in the past from attorneys: e-mail is copywright protected, so are web pages it doesn't matter whether there is a note of copywright or not, although, it's probably a good idea to inform readers so. if copying is done, it falls under either "fair use" or it doesn't If not fair use, then it's a violation of copywright law. What is fair use? Well, that is often difficult to define; however, it is NOT something as simple as 20% of the document. Copying of facts alone is fair use; however, the manner of presentation of the facts may be protected (just think about history books - of course some lately are trying to be politically correct by changing facts, but I digress). Noncommercial copying is usually protected under "fair use" but note the definition for noncommercial indicates whether the copier received money for the product or the author MIGHT have been expected to receive money. Thus, it doesn't matter if you or your organization is non-profit or a commercial enterprise or whether you actually paid for something or not. Hope this clears up things a bit. Dwayne Crandall http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1949 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Looking for a few lists to archive Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 10/7/97 9:50 PM Thanks for your response Karen. Sounds like something I had considered for my Hancock Family Archives (bibles, wills, census, and other records). Unfortunately, most of my listmembers disagreed with me for thinking of password protecting it when I asked them what they thought of protecting our hard work. Many called me paranoid, selfish, unwilling to share, you name it....it was depressing. What do ya'll think about the copyright issue? Take care, Dayna At 06:58 PM 10/7/97 PDT, you wrote: >> 1. Would putting all those email addresses out there be heaven for >> the spam spiders to roam? > >Yes, probably, except ... the notion right now is that they'll >be password protected. For lists that want to be Private with >a capital P, only the listowner will be told what the password is, >and it will be the listowner's decision who to give it to. For lists >that don't want quite that much protection, the password will be >given on the entrance page to the archive. A human will read it, >and be able to successfully use it to proceed. A spider won't. >Spammers aren't into doing much work, so I expect they'll spider >on to elsewhere on the net and leave us alone. > >These are valid worries. But I think we can work out something >so most everyone is comfortable with the result. If anyone tries >to download ALL the messages, Brian will spot it long before they're >done and simply lock them out of RootsWeb... > >Karen > > > >

Hi, I really wanted some help on obtaining my welcome letter. Tried two different times by sending command get welcome.txt both in the subject line and in the body Dwayne Crandall

I have had several bounces of aol. This is UNUSUAL for me. It must be everyone on my 3 lists. Dwayne Crandall listmogul CRAIN-L, CLARY-L, CRANDALL-L ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: b.mr.aol.com.: Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 9/29/97 6:42 PM Is anyone having problems with allot of aol. addresses bouncing. I know juno having problems. Have had 7 or 8 different addresses alone today. Judy

Should be able to write to karen@rand.org to request unsubscribe. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: help Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 9/18/97 6:06 PM For some reason, I can't get unsubscribed from this list. I am a listowner but I don't want to see all these messages by the 100s coming across my desk. I've had very little traffic and almost no problems with my lists. If I need help, I know who to contact or where to read the FAQs but when I've tried to unsubscribe from this list, I keep getting told that they can't find me but I still keep getting all these posts... Can someone somewhere remove me from this list????? Thanks.

At the bottom of my web page is an explanation of encoded MIME messages and how to "decode" them. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1949 Dwayne Crandall dcrandal@mail.coin.missouri.edu listmogul Crandall, Clary, & Crain e-mail lists ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: How do we deal with MIME format? Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 12/29/97 1:29 PM One of my subscribers wrote... Mime format does not seem to come through on line with Prodigy. Any suggestions? In Lotus cc:Mail (version 6.0), I see the STREETER-L digests messages as generic ASCII text files. Is MIME a function of the software installed on the user's PC and/or at his ISP (Prodigy)? Are there any mail protocol experts among our membership that could clarify this issue and offer some advice. Thank you, Perry Streeter (pstreeter@acccorp.com) List Owner, STREETER-L@rootsweb.com

Not quite. The encoding depends on a number of factors, for example, if the size of the file is over some limit, the sending conglomeration or the receiving unit might encode a message. On my receiving end, if the message is over about 20k, or has graphics, it gets encoded. So far, this has not been much of a problem, though, since decoders are readily available. Dwayne Crandall dcrandal@mail.coin.missouri.edu ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: How do we deal with MIME format? Author: listowners@rootsweb.com at internet-ext Date: 12/29/97 8:29 PM Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this, but I would have thought the whole issue of mime encoding is academic. It has always been my understanding that irregardless of the capabilities of anyone's hardware, software or provider, that email messages (especially those sent to lists) were to be sent in plain ascii text. Being the "least common denominator", doesn't this allow everyone, even those with dinosaur systems to participate, without constant pressure to upgrade? Wendy Dolphay