http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/LIST-UPDATE.html --pig On 8/12/06 12:35, "Ed & Mary Yonan" <yonan@fgi.net> wrote: > > > I just subscribed to LIST_UPDATE. I received info that "General information > about the mailing list, including links to the > list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.html " > > > However, this is a dead link. What is the correct URL? > > Thanks, > > Mary > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the > mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings > and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received one notice and that was to this address but NOTHING to my AOL address which is my address used for all the lists I administer. There is nothing in the SPAM folder so what happened to that notice from Rootsweb? WHY are the admins being left in the dark? This really does not bode well if we can't be kept apprised of changes forthcoming with a bit more advance notice. What a mess. I have a feeling that Rootsweb Help Desk is going to be flooded with complaints and very soon. -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

I did not write that - Rod did it <G> Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Wilson Goddard" <jaws64@comlinkusa.net> To: <dav4is@yahoo.com>; <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] RootsWeb_Support Mailing Lists (page) > At 01:34 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > > >ref page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/ > > > >So, what happened to the list of ALL the support lists? This page now > >only mentions one: LIST-UPDATE. > > Dan, > > You must be seeing something I'm not because when I go to that page I see: > > Listowners and List-Development but no "List-Update"!! > > > >Also, and perhaps related: that list is mentioned twice in the superior > >page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > And I don't find it listed even once here. > > Jackie >

J. Asche wrote: > Since I received an email about the list migration > addressed to each email address I use for list mail I > would assume that everyone is > being notified. I use two addresses for List subscriptions. Both addresses automatically come into my mailbox. Strangely, one of the list migration notifications came through perfectly. The other ended up in my Spam folder. (And my Spam filter works automatically exactly the same for both addresses). So what was up with that? I wonder how many notification messages are going to end up in subscribers' spam folders. Nothing we can control, I guess, but interesting. Margaret S.

Understand - Now if we could sort the dupes on out folders it would be nice to have such a tool <G> Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] unacceptable > > In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:22:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wb@wvi.com > writes: > > just wont - it will give double messages and create so much sorting and > deleting it will be unbearable for over 30 lists. > > > > Dan- > > No it won't create duplicates. It may SEND duplicates unless you remember > to remove the dupe address if you hit REPLY ALL--but RootsWeb lists sort out > dupes and trash them--so only one copy gets through. > > Joan > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/12/2006 12:22:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, olson@shout.net writes: >Yes--they are optional--the admin can change or remove them. Does that mean they will be there automatically and I will have to notice IMMEDIATELY so I can change it to remove them? Or can the option be "none" to start if I now have none? Margaret I can only tell you that on the PAPHILAD list when it was migrated at the start of the testing that I had previously used the abbreviated prepend of [paphl] on the list and and after the migration the default propend had become: [PAPHILAD]. I was able to go in and abbreviate it but not change it to lower case--which I think was fixed yesterday so it will accept changes of case. I can't speak for a list that had no prepend at the time of the changeover--whether one would be added by default or not--but I sort of assume so and assume it will be up to you to remove it if you don't want it. Here is another case where a simple script should be able to tell Mailman that no prepend was previously used so don't add one...but I'm not sure such a check is in place. Joan

----- Original Message ----- From: <JULIAFWOOD@aol.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] unacceptable > My reply sends it only once. > Julia French Wosd > =====> yeah ! I found out some people have their ( reply to ) fields filled in to reply them. On the lists as now, that will only go private, SO does this mean that on the new mail man will send a private reply as well as one to the list if this is in effect? Rather than only to the member ? Dan M

nope. did not get one. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Hill" <buckybarb1937@centurytel.net> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] message about changes > The address was announce@mail.rootsweb.com

Before sending a broadcast message to all list USERS, why didn't you sent a message to all list MANAGERS? We have no idea what the beta testers learned which would help us out. If you heard that list managers should save some of their old files, or whether some options will no longer be available it might have occurred to you that we managers would like to know that before our subscribers do. Just WHO besides the managers (who know nothing) will be able to help 24/7? And how about people who are on vacation for the next week or so - good luck to them. Margaret

In a message dated 8/12/2006 11:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, melissa@rootsweb.com writes: The list update schedule page is back up. We are still looking into why, but the page stopped working sometime this morning around 6 AM. We apologize for the inconvenience and confusion this may have caused. And magically the link has reappeared on the list index page as well. :) Joan

I just 5 minutes ago received the announcement message. Becky

At 04:22 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi Rob, Melissa: > >Well, I guess this is what I get for taking a week away from the Beta >testers list! I was a bit surprised to learn that most all of my 82 >or so lists will migrate on Tuesday. Not much time to go in and save >all the customized files. Not what I had planned for my weekend. Ah, >the joys of having so many clan-whatever lists. LOL At least YOU know what customized files need to be saved. We non-beta testers have not been let in on the fact that we need to do that. What a mess. Can/will RW save those old ones for us so that we can get them later? Margaret

At 12:48 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >This is required by RFC by any sort of subscription based list. This is unacceptable for newsgroup gateways - the headers need to be enough for those. I am going to be unhappy - very unhappy, and so is the Help Desk, because I am going to let them answer the newgroup-side complaints. Margaret

>Yes--they are optional--the admin can change or remove them. Does that mean they will be there automatically and I will have to notice IMMEDIATELY so I can change it to remove them? Or can the option be "none" to start if I now have none? Margaret

I just noticed that using regular ( reply ) sends a message like ( reply to all ) This IS not going to work/ just wont - it will give double messages and create so much sorting and deleting it will be unbearable for over 30 lists. Why cant this be set like it was before - You mean all the lists are going to send 2 messages to people for every reply ??????? HUH?? Dan M

What was the address of the message about the list migration sent from so I can look in my system and spam folders for it? Dan M

----- Original Message ----- > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. -==-==-==- any one realize ( other than RW staff ) just how hard and confusing it is to have a list for all different types of list owner thoughts and what list to use for them and even if there is one ? Not to mention for some folks even to remember that this thought and that thought go to what lists ? Maybe RW staff should have a list just for all list owners to ask any question because if a list owner asks a question - is it not list owner topics ?- Sorry, but I mainly resort to reading because I never really know where to post what I think ! Also what about the boards = no change ? I do not always have a lot of time - as a matter of fact I am on my way out and wont be back till about 9 pm. Dan M

Now I guess I need to go peek to see if it changed or remains the same! :) Thanks Melissa/Rob for being responsive over the weekend. Cheers, Lauren

Joan, Thanks for the information! Very helpful! My response to this message raises another one. I notice that both "Respond" and "Respond to All" sends the message to only the list, not the person sending the message. Is anything changing in the way this works? This could have a huge impact on message traffic and educating subscribers. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JYoung6180@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:39 AM > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] You seem to have forgotten ONE step. > > In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:23:25 PM Eastern Standard > Time, steveh@heroldtech.com writes: > > <<What happens to the Accept list? Is this list going to be > automatically carried over to the new system or do I loose them?>> > > The admin of this list has requested that we move discussion > aimed more at just list ADMINS over to the listowners-L list > and concentrate on list USER issues on this list--I'm reply > here to your questions posted here because they are a > combination of both and were originally asked here: > The Accept List transfers over just fine because there is a > Mailman equivalent. > > <<My list falls into the A-C group and I am not looking > forward to problems with spam blockers, white lists, etc.>> > > Your subscribers can let you know if they are having problems > receiving the list mail--you, however, won't see the bounces > if Mailman can process them automatically. If an ISP is > blocking RootsWeb list mail you won't know until you get an > unsub notice for bounces for your subscribers using that ISP. > > <<I have already notified my list that I will be sending out > test messages after the switch with a number in the subject > so subscribers will be able to easily verify that they are > receiving the messages.>> > > That shouldn't be necessary--just let your list members know > to continue posting on-topic discussion as always. > > <<This morning I saved the page that lists all my 750 L and > D subscribers just in case something goes wrong. Later today > I will be copying the tag-lines along with all the pages in > the "Edit Files" section.>> > > That shouldn't be necessary either as nothing will happen to > your subscriber addresses. Not much point in copying the > taglines either as you can only use one static footer in > Mailman--so pick the best one and use it if you like. > Or combine a couple. You won't need unsub instructions > because that is included in every global list footer. It is > only your reject list and whether or not the address was > subbed or blocked that you might want to save. > > Joan > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the > update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss > admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the > ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret: I gave the message a very quick read in the middle of the night, however, I seem to recall mention of a message that will go to Admins prior to their list being migrated and indicating where to find the tutorial. YES--- go and save all customized messages/files. Save your reject list. As I recall, your accept list will migrate just fine. The prepend that existed traveled with my list as is. I do not think that a prepend would be added if it was not pre-existant, but as that was not my experience, I cannot tell you for certain. Incorporate your taglines into your welcome message as there is only ONE footer, not ten "taglines." in the new software. Listers have commented on how much they like the new look of the digest. Overall, I think all will be pleased. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Margaret Olson <olson@shout.net> wrote: > At 04:22 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Rob, Melissa: > > > >Well, I guess this is what I get for taking a week away from the Beta > >testers list! I was a bit surprised to learn that most all of my 82 > >or so lists will migrate on Tuesday. Not much time to go in and save > >all the customized files. Not what I had planned for my weekend. Ah, > >the joys of having so many clan-whatever lists. LOL > > At least YOU know what customized files need to be saved. We > non-beta testers have not been let in on the fact that we need to do that. > > What a mess. Can/will RW save those old ones for us so that we can > get them later? > > Margaret > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >