There was a message earlier that the list-update requires upper case http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/LIST-UPDATE.html This works...but how stupid is this!!! Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie > Wilson Goddard > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:48 PM > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > > At 01:09 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > > >Welcome to the LIST-UPDATE mailing list! > > > > <snip> > >General information about the mailing list, including links > to the list > >archives, can be found at: > > > > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.htm > > l > > > This is wonderful - the above link takes you to a 404 error!!! > > This is the sort of stuff that makes our alarm bells go off. If you > (RootsWeb/Ancestry/MyFamily) can't get something as simple as > the general info page right, why would we have any confidence > in the list migration, let alone the board update?? > > (I remember only too well the fiasco's of 2001) > > Jackie > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 > > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the > update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss > admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the > ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My reply sends it only once. Julia French Wosd In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:22:33 PM Central Standard Time, wb@wvi.com writes: I just noticed that using regular ( reply ) sends a message like ( reply to all ) This IS not going to work/ just wont - it will give double messages and create so much sorting and deleting it will be unbearable for over 30 lists. Why cant this be set like it was before - You mean all the lists are going to send 2 messages to people for every reply ??????? HUH?? Dan M

In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, reberkheiser@earthlink.net writes: As I currently understand it, when the lists migrate the default setting will be replies go to list. I think you can go into your new tools page and change it to reply to poster, or something like that. :-) Rick B Rick- I think the default setting will depend on whatever you have set for your list--at least I HOPE my settings will be carried over. One point about REPLY TO SENDER vs. REPLY TO LIST--you apparently have a specific REPLY TO header set in your email program and since you do, it is overriding Mailman's addition of the REPLY TO LIST header and RootsWeb will not override a personal email setting. Joan

David Cann wrote: > It [user specific options page] is not up yet, but > I understand it is coming. If it is anything like the > one for List Admins though.... It's packed full of features for the users :) And if the RW version is like the "real" version, us admins can edit the html for the page. I assume the RW version has the admin-editable home page for the lists also? And thank you, Joan! Daryl

I notice that both "Respond" and "Respond to All" sends the message to only the list, not the person sending the message. Is anything changing in the way this works? This could have a huge impact on message traffic and educating subscribers. Steve ------------------- Steve; As I currently understand it, when the lists migrate the default setting will be replies go to list. I think you can go into your new tools page and change it to reply to poster, or something like that. :-) Rick B

The update notification said that to be subscribed in the new update 2 different e-mail addresses are needed. What if I have only one e-mail address? Thanks for help & instructions.

In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, steveh@heroldtech.com writes: Joan, Thanks for the information! Very helpful! My response to this message raises another one. I notice that both "Respond" and "Respond to All" sends the message to only the list, not the person sending the message. Is anything changing in the way this works? This could have a huge impact on message traffic and educating subscribers. Steve Steve- No--the reason hitting reply sends the reply to the list is because this list is set to REPLY TO LIST by default. If the list were set to REPLY TO SENDER then you would need to hit REPLY TO ALL to include the list--but in this case you don't. With the reply to LIST setting it has always worked this way---REPLY sends only to the list. Joan

Before sending a broadcast message to all list USERS, why didn't you sent a message to all list MANAGERS? We have no idea what the beta testers learned which would help us out. If you heard that list managers should save some of their old files, or whether some options will no longer be available it might have occurred to you that we managers would like to know that before our subscribers do. ------------------------------ Margaret; You can read all about the beta testing in the MelissaList Archives. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/melissalist Also I'm not sure what you're referring to in what needs to be saved before the transition. Are you talking about the list archives? Those aren't going away, and it will still be accessed the same way as it is on Smartlist. Rick B

In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, theselvas@comcast.net writes: I am wondering if the graphic boxes used to subscribe to specific mailing lists that you can find on many websites will still be usable or if those webmasters should start thinking about removing them? Or possibly new graphics will be provided with working links if the originals will no longer be working? Becky They should continue to work--because the old way of subbing and unsubbing will still work even with the changes to eliminate the -L and -D. Joan

At 01:34 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >ref page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/ > >So, what happened to the list of ALL the support lists? This page now >only mentions one: LIST-UPDATE. Dan, You must be seeing something I'm not because when I go to that page I see: Listowners and List-Development but no "List-Update"!! >Also, and perhaps related: that list is mentioned twice in the superior >page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/ And I don't find it listed even once here. Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006

In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:35:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, listsmonster@gmail.com writes: I presume that she will find it in her spam folder when she can take time away from the project she is working on. No--it isn't in our AOL spam folders and I'm not blocking mail from any address. It must have been blocked at the server level. Joan

I have AOL and I got the mailing. I have two lists Stockbridge and Royall. I am absolutely clueless as to what is happening and it is not a good feeling. Anyone want to adopt my lists?

In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:35:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, yonan@fgi.net writes: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.html " However, this is a dead link. What is the correct URL? It seems to be there: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/LIST-UPDATE.html ...although the last part of the address has to be upper case. However, all the other lists that used to be listed under RootsWeb Support in the list index seem to be missing. Joan

In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:23:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, steveh@heroldtech.com writes: <<What happens to the Accept list? Is this list going to be automatically carried over to the new system or do I loose them?>> The admin of this list has requested that we move discussion aimed more at just list ADMINS over to the listowners-L list and concentrate on list USER issues on this list--I'm reply here to your questions posted here because they are a combination of both and were originally asked here: The Accept List transfers over just fine because there is a Mailman equivalent. <<My list falls into the A-C group and I am not looking forward to problems with spam blockers, white lists, etc.>> Your subscribers can let you know if they are having problems receiving the list mail--you, however, won't see the bounces if Mailman can process them automatically. If an ISP is blocking RootsWeb list mail you won't know until you get an unsub notice for bounces for your subscribers using that ISP. <<I have already notified my list that I will be sending out test messages after the switch with a number in the subject so subscribers will be able to easily verify that they are receiving the messages.>> That shouldn't be necessary--just let your list members know to continue posting on-topic discussion as always. <<This morning I saved the page that lists all my 750 L and D subscribers just in case something goes wrong. Later today I will be copying the tag-lines along with all the pages in the "Edit Files" section.>> That shouldn't be necessary either as nothing will happen to your subscriber addresses. Not much point in copying the taglines either as you can only use one static footer in Mailman--so pick the best one and use it if you like. Or combine a couple. You won't need unsub instructions because that is included in every global list footer. It is only your reject list and whether or not the address was subbed or blocked that you might want to save. Joan

Kathie, Janet: Take a tums.... and relax... it will not be so bad. Yes, we all balked at something or another, however, Rob has made adjustments within the limitations of the software that were acceptable, if not pleasing to most. We BETA testers are merely here offering you peer to peer support as we have had the same feelings that you may be experiencing. We have more knowledge, simply due to the fact that we did participate in the BETA test. With regard to the footer... it is advisable to insert about 3 blank lines and then a symbol such as ________________ in order to better distinguish what is poster text and what is footer. Tagline information can be incorporated in your welome message. Footers can be changed at any time. It is not recommended to make them long, however, it is possible to include more than one bit of intormation using a separator. Before long this new software will seem familar to you and the lists will seem the same as always. Cheers, Lauren

The address was announce@mail.rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] message about changes > What was the address of the message about the list migration sent from so > I > can look in my system and spam folders for it? > > Dan M > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of > the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since I received an email about the list migration addressed to each email address I use for list mail I would assume that everyone is being notified. Now if they will read the email is something else again. J. Asche On 8/12/06, Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > Just how many list owners do not know any thing about this ? > Was there going to be a Special announcement to all list owners in their > private mail ? > Is it legal to switch systems and leave people in the dark ? > How many dont even know there is a page to get ready for this ? > > Just wondering. > > Dan M > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been using Mailman for years. Will the RW version have the user options page for each individual user? Daryl

Whoa -- the migration will automatically remove and anyone on reject? J. Asche On 8/12/06, JYoung6180@aol.com <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > I'm still very uncomfortable with the manner in which the addresses > currently on SmartList reject lists are being treated during the mass migration to > Mailman. Here's why... > > Let's say I have 10 addresses on reject but subbed to the list and I > moderate their posts. Mary is a good list member but I just can't trust her to post > on topic. Joe has the nasty habit of sending chain letters to everyone in > his address book including the lists--so I can't trust him not to be moderated > either. Susie is a valuable lookup responder on the list but I can't trust > her to only send replies that are on-topic for the list--and on and on as to > the reasons these ten people are on the reject list but still subbed to the > list. > > Along comes the migration and unsubs and BANS all ten of these people. > Let's say I, the admin, am not fully aware that this was going to happen and am > not paying full attention. > > Susie, Joe, and Mary and the other 7 suddenly realize they are no longer > receiving list mail from my list. So they send new subscribe requests. Under > the Mailman system--these people will NOT receive ANY notice that their sub > request isn't being processed but it won't be--nor will the admin receive ANY > notice that the people are trying to subscribe and can't--all because they are > on the banned list. > > This worries me and can only lead to Joe, Susie and Mary and hundreds of > other souls just like them swamping the HelpDesk with messages such as "I can't > figure out why I'm no longer getting mail from the Timbuktu list and when I > try to subscribe nothing happens. What's going on here?" There has gott be a > better way. > > Joan

I'm still very uncomfortable with the manner in which the addresses currently on SmartList reject lists are being treated during the mass migration to Mailman. Here's why... Let's say I have 10 addresses on reject but subbed to the list and I moderate their posts. Mary is a good list member but I just can't trust her to post on topic. Joe has the nasty habit of sending chain letters to everyone in his address book including the lists--so I can't trust him not to be moderated either. Susie is a valuable lookup responder on the list but I can't trust her to only send replies that are on-topic for the list--and on and on as to the reasons these ten people are on the reject list but still subbed to the list. Along comes the migration and unsubs and BANS all ten of these people. Let's say I, the admin, am not fully aware that this was going to happen and am not paying full attention. Susie, Joe, and Mary and the other 7 suddenly realize they are no longer receiving list mail from my list. So they send new subscribe requests. Under the Mailman system--these people will NOT receive ANY notice that their sub request isn't being processed but it won't be--nor will the admin receive ANY notice that the people are trying to subscribe and can't--all because they are on the banned list. This worries me and can only lead to Joe, Susie and Mary and hundreds of other souls just like them swamping the HelpDesk with messages such as "I can't figure out why I'm no longer getting mail from the Timbuktu list and when I try to subscribe nothing happens. What's going on here?" There has gott be a better way. Joan