I am going to be quiet now. Seems I said enough <G> Hard to sort each thought to each lists. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > Dan -- > > Bits of your message are better directed to the ListOwners list as it > does not apply to the end user experience. > > However, for the most part you seem to be "getting it.' > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pam: Listers have reported liking how they receive the digest. The look of it. The digest defaults to being recieved "in line"... one long continuous message. This is how most people have received it for years. If that is not your current experience and would like your current experience repeated, there is a "work around." Your Admin will be able to adjust a setting for you. Please bear with your Admins as they learn this new software and how to use the tools provided. It is very different to what they are accustomed to. Yet in the end, is easy to use once one overcomes the natural resistance to it not being like what we are accustomed to. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Pam Henson <pamhenson@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Will the Digests still come in the same format that they do right now. > > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/12/2006 4:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlytton@mindspring.com writes: I've been using Mailman for years. Will the RW version have the user options page for each individual user? Daryl Eventually. It isn't working now because of the need for security and password protection. Once the RootsWeb Registration process is integrated with the new lists this should become available and cut down on many of the user issues with the email commands. Joan

At 04:04 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >needed. What if I have only one e-mail address? >Thanks for help & instructions. >This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update >of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific >topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message It's really difficult to tell where a message ENDS - perhaps the admin for THIS list can do something about the tag-line???? (divider added by me) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006

Dan -- Bits of your message are better directed to the ListOwners list as it does not apply to the end user experience. However, for the most part you seem to be "getting it.' Cheers, Lauren

Joan is just a subscriber and volunteer like the rest of us. None of us can make any guarantees. However, for subscribers, the experience should be fairly seemless. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Jackie Wilson Goddard <jaws64@comlinkusa.net> wrote: > Joan, can you guarantee this migration will go off without a hitch??

Seems fine now, but it certainly wasn't fine when I posted before! Someone fixed it while my back was turned. It's all done with smoke and mirrors, folks! ;o) -R. JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: > >You must be seeing something I'm not because when I go to that page I see: > >Listowners and List-Development but no "List-Update"!! > > > > >It's been changed back--now you see it now you don't. ;) > >Joan >This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

Ok I got it down now! All the names have changed = but not really we dont need the L or D = but we can if we want to the search dont work = but it really does. our tag lines are gone - but we can put them in the Welcome message = no one reads, = of course they dont read the tags any way so nothing changes there. We need 2 email addresses to watch the lists We can only subscribe in the ( subject ) line = so what happens to all those rootsweb subscribers who use the Message area only = thousands of people who migrate on and off lists. Will mail man unsub some one like the other system if we unsub with Joans addy in a message will she get removed <G> too < small smile here>;-) kidding Joan. Just wondering about this ?

Dan Your filters should be fine. The prepends should remain as they were, unless the Admin manually changes them. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > I have all mine set up to filter subject line prepends, I hope that wont > change too ?>? > > Dan M > \ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Dav4is" <dav4is@yahoo.com> > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:38 PM > Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... > > > 1. Renaming all the lists, e.g. from "LISTNAME-L" to "listname", > virtually guarantees that all subscribers using their email client > filter capabilities will need to change them. > 2. If the lists had been all renamed to "listname-L" at least the -L > > ==--==--== > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 01:09 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >Welcome to the LIST-UPDATE mailing list! > > <snip> >General information about the mailing list, including links to the >list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.html This is wonderful - the above link takes you to a 404 error!!! This is the sort of stuff that makes our alarm bells go off. If you (RootsWeb/Ancestry/MyFamily) can't get something as simple as the general info page right, why would we have any confidence in the list migration, let alone the board update?? (I remember only too well the fiasco's of 2001) Jackie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006

Dear Listers: Rod hashed and hashed and rehashed this already on the List Development list. I don't see any reason to repeat that discussion here. His comments and concerns WERE brought to the BETA list. I really would rather not have to read a third round of this which has become a moot point. Let it suffice that it will require extra reengineering of the software, defeating the purpose of going to something new and upgradable, will block more spam from hitting the lists, etc. The -L is not part of the list name. It was an artificial designator to force Smartlist to do something that even it was not designed to do. To my knowledge "ListServ" was not the software ever used at Rootsweb.com Yes, there may be a wee bit of work for subscribers to edit their filters. That will be a short lived experience. And much worth the trade off from having software that was failing the system. Can we move off thiis topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > As some subscribers to this list know, I have strenuously objected > on another list to the wholesale renaming of all the lists -- before > being rudely cut off without warning in mid-sentence, as it were. > > 1. Renaming all the lists, e.g. from "LISTNAME-L" to "listname", > virtually guarantees that all subscribers using their email client > filter capabilities will need to change them. > 2. If the lists had been all renamed to "listname-L" at least the -L > subscribers would escape having to change their filters. > 3. Even if this is just a few subscribers, why unnecessarily disturb > them? > 4. Making the new list names all be ...-L is easily within the > capability of the new list processor (I checked), and simple as > pie to do. No code changes required. > 5. Far from "reducing the confusion" associated with the old -L/-D/-I > nomenclature, this change ADDS to the confusion by introducing yet > another name, since the old names are being retained for some reason. > 6. In fact, having all lists be named ...-L would be a return to the > previous state when ListServ was the processor. Nobody seemed > confused that -L meant that it was a mail list. > 7. What is the /advantage/ of the new nomenclature? I maintain that > there is none. > > -- > > Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA > Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ > 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century > New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ > Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ > email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM > "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" > -Pogo Possum (1970) > > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 02:45 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > > Incorporate your >taglines into your welcome message as there is only ONE footer, not >ten "taglines." in the new software. Where did this message come from? Why didn't list admins receive more notice? Can we all say "BS"? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006

I have all mine set up to filter subject line prepends, I hope that wont change too ?>? Dan M \ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Dav4is" <dav4is@yahoo.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... 1. Renaming all the lists, e.g. from "LISTNAME-L" to "listname", virtually guarantees that all subscribers using their email client filter capabilities will need to change them. 2. If the lists had been all renamed to "listname-L" at least the -L ==--==--==

I have a very sick feeling in the PIT of my stomach that we are in for some major problems when these changes become effective. What I am wondering is WHY ANCESTRY/ROOTSWEB is all fired ready to make these changes but FAILED to communicate with ALL the ADMINS of the MANY Lists on that RARELY used Announce list to prepare us well ahead of time instead of a select number of BETA TESTERS. I have a feeling also that they may very well lose LOTS of List Admins and then what are they going to do? As I gather the STAFF at Rootsweb is NOT that large. Who will be babysitting all the abandoned lists when admins jump ship? -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: You must be seeing something I'm not because when I go to that page I see: Listowners and List-Development but no "List-Update"!! It's been changed back--now you see it now you don't. ;) Joan

> Incorporate your taglines into your welcome message as there is only ONE footer, not ten "taglines." in the new software. This is regrettable. I used all ten and could have used more. Differing viewpoints on this list were well represented this way. Janet Crain Melungeon List Administrator

WHATS UPS? >From: JYoung6180@aol.com >Reply-To: list-update@rootsweb.com >To: list-update@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] You seem to have forgotten ONE step. >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:39:06 EDT > >In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:23:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, >steveh@heroldtech.com writes: > ><<What happens to the Accept list? Is this list going to be automatically >carried over to the new system or do I loose them?>> > >The admin of this list has requested that we move discussion aimed more at >just list ADMINS over to the listowners-L list and concentrate on list >USER >issues on this list--I'm reply here to your questions posted here because >they >are a combination of both and were originally asked here: >The Accept List transfers over just fine because there is a Mailman >equivalent. > ><<My list falls into the A-C group and I am not looking forward to >problems >with spam blockers, white lists, etc.>> > >Your subscribers can let you know if they are having problems receiving the >list mail--you, however, won't see the bounces if Mailman can process them >automatically. If an ISP is blocking RootsWeb list mail you won't know >until >you get an unsub notice for bounces for your subscribers using that ISP. > ><<I have already notified my list that I will be sending out test messages >after the switch with a number in the subject so subscribers will be able >to >easily verify that they are receiving the messages.>> > >That shouldn't be necessary--just let your list members know to continue >posting on-topic discussion as always. > ><<This morning I saved the page that lists all my 750 L and D subscribers >just >in case something goes wrong. Later today I will be copying the tag-lines >along with all the pages in the "Edit Files" section.>> > >That shouldn't be necessary either as nothing will happen to your >subscriber >addresses. Not much point in copying the taglines either as you can only >use one static footer in Mailman--so pick the best one and use it if you >like. >Or combine a couple. You won't need unsub instructions because that is >included in every global list footer. It is only your reject list and >whether or >not the address was subbed or blocked that you might want to save. > >Joan > >This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the >mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like >settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I admin 14 lists from a different AOL address, and haven't anything from announce@mail.rootsweb.com. It's not in my spam folder either. Thank goodness for the discussion on ListOwners! That's the only way I found anything out about this change! Wilson In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:24:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, buckybarb1937@centurytel.net writes: The address was announce@mail.rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] message about changes > What was the address of the message about the list migration sent from so > I > can look in my system and spam folders for it? > > Dan M

ref page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/ So, what happened to the list of ALL the support lists? This page now only mentions one: LIST-UPDATE. Also, and perhaps related: that list is mentioned twice in the superior page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/ -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:22:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wb@wvi.com writes: just wont - it will give double messages and create so much sorting and deleting it will be unbearable for over 30 lists. Dan- No it won't create duplicates. It may SEND duplicates unless you remember to remove the dupe address if you hit REPLY ALL--but RootsWeb lists sort out dupes and trash them--so only one copy gets through. Joan