Okay... now to whom should I send this to? List-Owners? List-Update? or... "If it ain't broke, why bother?" Regards, --Manaia Hello: The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.html When accessing the above link, the above message comes up - is there maybe no messages in the archives yet? Regards, --Manaia list-update-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Welcome to the LIST-UPDATE mailing list! This list is intended to be a place for discussion of topics related to the mailing list updates and moving to a new list management system. Questions and discussion specific to the list administration and tools should be directed to the ListOwners-L mailing list. To post a message to this list, send your email to: LIST-UPDATE@rootsweb.com Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com General information about the mailing list, including links to the list archives, can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.html To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. Sincerely, The LIST-UPDATE List Administrator LIST-UPDATE-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

Kathie: ListOwners and ListDevelopment lists are archived. Rod's posts ARE there. As I understand it, this list is primarily for USER assistance and we have already been told to take Administrative matters to the LO list, as repeats in every footer for this list. ********************************************* > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. ********************************************* Cheers, Lauren

Steve: As mentioned in the message that was broadcast via List Announce, a message will be sent to the Admins prior to migration and there will be a Tutorial. The tutorial is very good. Much better information than we had received for Smartlist software. Subscribers will not have need of a tutorial to the degree that Admins will. Their experience will remain much the same as it is today. Cheers, Lauren > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list.

why do I keep getting this message? I signed in to subscribe but to keep getting the same message is ridiculous. janieval@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <list-update-request@rootsweb.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: LIST-UPDATE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Digests (Lauren Boyd) > 2. Re: Comment on (Dan M) > 3. Re: Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list (Rod Dav4is) > 4. Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... (Lauren Boyd) > 5. Re: Comment on (Lauren Boyd) > 6. Re: Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... (Rick) > 7. Re: Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... (Rick) > 8. Re: Just so nobody can claim having had nocomplaints... > (Keith Elmo Eldridge) > 9. Re: Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list (Lauren Boyd) > 10. Attachments? (Becky) > 11. Re: Comment on (Kemis Massey) > 12. Re: Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... > (Kathie Harrison) > 13. Re: Comment on (Dan M) > 14. Re: Comment on (Tom Hesler) > 15. Re: Just so nobody can claim having had no complaints... > (Lauren Boyd) > 16. Re: Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list (Rod Dav4is) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:15:12 -0700 > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Digests > To: "Pam Henson" <pamhenson@sbcglobal.net>, list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d49706560608121615xad814dbwfe8e74e51b191d63@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear Pam: > > Listers have reported liking how they receive the digest. The look of it. > > The digest defaults to being recieved "in line"... one long continuous message. > This is how most people have received it for years. > > If that is not your current experience and would like your current experience > repeated, there is a "work around." Your Admin will be able to adjust a > setting for you. Please bear with your Admins as they learn this new software > and how to use the tools provided. It is very different to what they > are accustomed > to. Yet in the end, is easy to use once one overcomes the natural resistance to > it not being like what we are accustomed to. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > On 8/12/06, Pam Henson <pamhenson@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Will the Digests still come in the same format that they do right now. > > > > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:20:44 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <095c01c6be65$ef790d20$0d00000a@mine> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am going to be quiet now. > Seems I said enough <G> > Hard to sort each thought to each lists. > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > > > > Dan -- > > > > Bits of your message are better directed to the ListOwners list as it > > does not apply to the end user experience. > > > > However, for the most part you seem to be "getting it.' > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lauren > > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of > the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:17:48 -0400 > From: Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <44DE619C.80308@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I KNEW there was a reason for sticking with upper case for list names! ;o) > -R. > > Steve Herold wrote: > > >There was a message earlier that the list-update requires upper case > > > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/LIST-UPDATE.html > >This works...but how stupid is this!!! > > > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>[mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie > >>Wilson Goddard > >>Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:48 PM > >>To: list-update@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > >> > >>At 01:09 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Welcome to the LIST-UPDATE mailing list! > >>> > >>> <snip> > >>>General information about the mailing list, including links > >>> > >>> > >>to the list > >> > >> > >>>archives, can be found at: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.htm > >> > >> > >>>l > >>> > >>> > >>This is wonderful - the above link takes you to a 404 error!!! > >> > >>This is the sort of stuff that makes our alarm bells go off. If you > >>(RootsWeb/Ancestry/MyFamily) can't get something as simple as > >>the general info page right, why would we have any confidence > >>in the list migration, let alone the board update?? > >> > >>(I remember only too well the fiasco's of 2001) > >> > >>Jackie > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 > >> > >> > >>This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the > >>update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss > >>admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the > >>ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > > >This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA > Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ > 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century > New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ > Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ > email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM > "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" > -Pogo Possum (1970) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:26:39 -0700 > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no > complaints... > To: List-Update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d49706560608121626o6d1738efq9cfae3ad5b75d8a0@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Repeating: > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse > will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the "powers that be." > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going live. No -L required. > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be happy to drop it when > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:29:48 -0700 > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d49706560608121629q4531ec7ep68a854e23115bb6b@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dan-- > > Rather than be quiet... if you are having difficulty separating thoughts... > which likely are running rampant about now... do post to the ListOwners > list where your peers can support ALL aspects of your questions. > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rick <usscot555@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no > complaints... > To: list-update@rootsweb.com, List-Update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20060812233115.28643.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Amen! > > --- Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Repeating: > > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and > > answered. The horse > > will not smell any better getting beat on this list > > too. > > > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the > > "powers that be." > > > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going > > live. No -L required. > > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lauren > > > > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be > > happy to drop it when > > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics > > related to the update of the mailing lists. List > > Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com > > list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rick <usscot555@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no > complaints... > To: list-update@rootsweb.com, List-Update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20060812233115.28643.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Amen! > > --- Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Repeating: > > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and > > answered. The horse > > will not smell any better getting beat on this list > > too. > > > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the > > "powers that be." > > > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going > > live. No -L required. > > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lauren > > > > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be > > happy to drop it when > > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics > > related to the update of the mailing lists. List > > Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com > > list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:31:37 +0100 > From: "Keith Elmo Eldridge" <Elmo@aphelia.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had > nocomplaints... > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <224d01c6be67$752f7070$0e02a8c0@ontario> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Lauren Boyd < listsmonster@gmail.com > wrote: > > > The -L is not part of the list name. It was an artificial > > designator to force > > Smartlist to do something that even it was not designed to do. To my > > knowledge "ListServ" was not the software ever used at Rootsweb.com > > The "-L" is part of the list name under SmartList, it was the "-D" and "-I" > addresses that were customisations. The "-L" stands for Mailing List and > allows you to differentiate between a Mailing List and normal e-mail > address. > > Regards > Elmo. > -- > --Keith Elmo ELDRIDGE > --Elmo@aphelia.co.uk > --Buxworth, High Peak, Derbyshire, England. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:37:11 -0700 > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d49706560608121637s11856497wd8c912433378ba5e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Jackie, Steve, Rod: > > This in NO way will compare to the experience in 2001. > I recall that... 3000 messages re boards in about a 24 > hour period. > > Melissa, Rob and others that have been working on this > migration and testing have been very responsive and desire > to have it go as smoothly as possible. > > Consider that their normal work week is M-F and we have > gotten responses from them today... SATURDAY. > > Give them a bit of a break. We have our minor number of > lists to deal with... they have over 30,000. > > And as someone that codes web pages, I can tell you that some > things that are simple are often overlooked. Especially if you have > been up burning the midnight oil. > > The overall migration should go off without a hitch for the users. > Be prepared for a good experience. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:37:21 -0700 > From: Becky <theselvas@comcast.net> > Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Attachments? > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <44DE6631.4040007@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Will attachments be possible with the new system? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:43:40 -0400 > From: "Kemis Massey" <sobbygenealogy@knology.net> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006101c6be69$24378660$3423d618@knology.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks Dan for clearing some things up and bringing up other issues. Plea se don't admonish me for my questions as I signed up as soon as I got the 1st email and am trying to follow what is going on. > > I have three email addresses now - personal, business and genealogy. Which means I will have to have a 4 which my ISP will not allow because my hubbie has 2 addresses - personal and business - 5 is our limit. So you say join one of the "free" email lists which will emendate me with more spam. I get enough now, thanks allot. My life is really going to be fun. Please keep in mind we are only volunteers for this. Seems like I might as well chunk my personal research to become a total administrator. > > No tag lines and I do read them because some have good information. I use taglines on my county lists to encourage others to donate to the list or to archives. So now that's gone, which means no more donatations of county or family info. > > And this is an improvement how? > > Kemis Massey > List Administrator for the MASSEY surname > Webmaster and list administrator for Chattahoochee and Muscogee Counties, GAGenWeb Project > Webmaster and co-list administrator for Clayton County, GAGenWeb Project and AHGP > List Administrator for Harris County GAGenWeb Project > and I'm not going to start on the message boards that I administrator - no telling what this is going to do to them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan M > Ok > I got it down now! > > All the names have changed = but not really > > we dont need the L or D = > but we can if we want to > > the search dont work = but it really does. > > our tag lines are gone - > but we can put them in the Welcome message = > no one reads, = > of course they dont read the tags > any way so nothing changes there. > > We need 2 email addresses to watch the lists > > We can only subscribe in the ( subject ) line = so what happens to all those > rootsweb subscribers who use the Message area only = thousands of people who > migrate on and off lists. > > Will mail man unsub some one like the other system if we unsub with Joans > addy in a message will she get removed <G> too < small smile here>;-) > kidding Joan. > > Just wondering about this ? > > > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:43:15 -0500 > From: "Kathie Harrison" <harrison28@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no > complaints... > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <95b5b6b90608121643vdd8c8b1o7634be61a1e3e956@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am curious as to why you, Lauren, are asking anyone to move off this > topic. Under the circumstances many of the list admins are very > dismayed that Rootsweb did not choose to give us a few weeks notice > about this major change. Many admins have multiple lists with hundreds > of subscribers, and I fail to see why we should not be upset about > being given some DUE RESPECT as volunteers to know what the devil is > going to take place more than just a mere few days from the event. I > also fail to see the purpose of this list if we can't be discussing > it. > > I am sure this is looking more and more like a super huge Migraine to > many of us. JMHO > > On 8/12/06, Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > > Repeating: > > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse > > will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. > > > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the "powers that be." > > > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going live. No -L required. > > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lauren > > > > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be happy to drop it when > > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Kathie Harrison > Family Trees Grow with Love > Ancestral Whispers > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:06:19 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0bc601c6be6c$4d8a6a20$0d00000a@mine> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Cant - off topic there <G> > > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > > > > Dan-- > > > > Rather than be quiet... if you are having difficulty separating > thoughts... > > which likely are running rampant about now... do post to the ListOwners > > list where your peers can support ALL aspects of your questions. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:04:45 -0400 > From: Tom Hesler <hesler@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060812195854.019fe1e0@bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 07:43 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > >Thanks Dan for clearing some things up and bringing up other > >issues. Please don't admonish me for my questions as I signed up as > >soon as I got the 1st email and am trying to follow what is going on. > > > >I have three email addresses now - personal, business and > >genealogy. Which means I will have to have a 4 which my ISP will > >not allow because my hubbie has 2 addresses - personal and business > >- 5 is our limit. So you say join one of the "free" email lists > >which will emendate me with more spam. I get enough now, thanks > >allot. My life is really going to be fun. Please keep in mind we > >are only volunteers for this. Seems like I might as well chunk my > >personal research to become a total administrator. > > > >No tag lines and I do read them because some have good > >information. I use taglines on my county lists to encourage others > >to donate to the list or to archives. So now that's gone, which > >means no more donatations of county or family info. > > > >And this is an improvement how? > > > >Kemis Massey > > Kemis, > > It seems most have missed the email Joan posted earlier as to how an > administrator can receive the digest without using a personal > address, with Mailman you can subscribe the > LISTNAME-Admin@rootsweb.com address (replace LISTNAME with the name > of the list) to the list in the digest mose and it will send the > digest to you as administrator. Those of us who have been Beta > testers have done this almost from day one of testing and it works very well. > > Regards, > Tom Hesler > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:06:01 -0700 > From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Just so nobody can claim having had no > complaints... > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d49706560608121706q749da914ofa9b7e56f63d7443@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Kathie: > > I asked Rod to move forward from a development topic that has already > been discussed til folks were blue in the face (on three lists if I > recall correctly), was put before the developers and has been > answered. It is a moot point now. A fact of life is that end users > filters will need to be changed/updated. > > As the tagline/footer says: > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update > of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics > (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ******************************* > > Please do post your Admin comments and concerns on the LO list. We > have been responding to them all day long and will continue to do so > to the best > of our ability. There has been discussion among the List Admins of > the BETA testing and the inevitable migration on the ListOwners List > for weeks. It is not a great surprise that it is occurring. Just > the timing of it.... a bit sooner than we may have expected or > anticipated. > > This migration can go very smoothly. The software works! > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:07:18 -0400 > From: Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <44DE6D36.10204@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've no doubt that the developers are Good People, and that they > have worked very hard. But stifling criticism is not going to guarantee > the smooth transition that everyone wants. > > As for their posting on Saturday, I believe that springing this on > the whole user/developer community early on a Saturday morning -- with > the first block of conversions scheduled for Tuesday -- sorta requires > some responsible presence, no? > > -R. > > Lauren Boyd wrote: > > >Jackie, Steve, Rod: > > > >This in NO way will compare to the experience in 2001. > >I recall that... 3000 messages re boards in about a 24 > >hour period. > > > >Melissa, Rob and others that have been working on this > >migration and testing have been very responsive and desire > >to have it go as smoothly as possible. > > > >Consider that their normal work week is M-F and we have > >gotten responses from them today... SATURDAY. > > > >Give them a bit of a break. We have our minor number of > >lists to deal with... they have over 30,000. > > > >And as someone that codes web pages, I can tell you that some > >things that are simple are often overlooked. Especially if you have > >been up burning the midnight oil. > > > >The overall migration should go off without a hitch for the users. > >Be prepared for a good experience. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Lauren > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA > Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ > 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century > New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ > Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ > email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM > "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" > -Pogo Possum (1970) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > LIST-UPDATE mailing list > LIST-UPDATE@rootsweb.com > > > End of LIST-UPDATE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 > ***************************************** >

> ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- Ok Whuts the very fist step in preparing for this ? Dan

> -----Original Message----- > From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Boyd > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:37 PM > To: list-update@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list > > Jackie, Steve, Rod: > > This in NO way will compare to the experience in 2001. > I recall that... 3000 messages re boards in about a 24 hour period. > > Melissa, Rob and others that have been working on this > migration and testing have been very responsive and desire to > have it go as smoothly as possible. > > Consider that their normal work week is M-F and we have > gotten responses from them today... SATURDAY. What else would you expect? They send out a totally unexpected message to everyone late Friday night and with very little information and the conversion is to take place on Tuesday for some of us. If they weren't going to answer questions over the weekend you expect 5,000 messages on Monday. No tutorial, instruction page for admins......sounds very much like 2001. > > Give them a bit of a break. We have our minor number of lists > to deal with... they have over 30,000. > > And as someone that codes web pages, I can tell you that some > things that are simple are often overlooked. Especially if > you have been up burning the midnight oil. If everything was beta tested then they shouldn't need to be making changes now....like UPPERCASE lower case, pages up, pages down. > The overall migration should go off without a hitch for the users. > Be prepared for a good experience. Yes, probably for those where the conversion takes place on August 25. If you check the Rootsweb home page or Help page....not a mention of the conversion. Steve > > Cheers, > > Lauren

It might be appear seamless but it won't be seemless!! PSW -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] You seem to have forgotten ONE step.SUBSCRIBE Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:01:04 -0700 From: Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> Reply-To: list-update@rootsweb.com To: list-update@rootsweb.com References: <2da.35035500.320f6c3a@aol.com> <BAY112-F3221E5C1C6ADC58CB98932D4480@phx.gbl> <7.0.1.0.0.20060812170422.01cdea88@comlinkusa.net> Joan is just a subscriber and volunteer like the rest of us. None of us can make any guarantees. However, for subscribers, the experience should be fairly seemless. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Jackie Wilson Goddard <jaws64@comlinkusa.net> wrote: > Joan, can you guarantee this migration will go off without a hitch?? ************************** This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They used to be possible with the old system as was HTML messages - once on a time about 1998 or so <G> ya I been here that long. but much safer with out em tho. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" <theselvas@comcast.net> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Attachments? > Will attachments be possible with the new system? > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/12/2006 5:05:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, pepperjaq@comcast.net writes: The update notification said that to be subscribed in the new update 2 different e-mail addresses are needed. What if I have only one e-mail address? Thanks for help & instructions. Assuming you are a subscriber and not the admin you will need to have a second email address--perhaps Comcast allows more than one local part address per account? Or you can use a free hotmail, gmail, yahoo, or AIM address if you prefer. Joan

A>From: JYoung6180@aol.com > >Reply-To: list-update@rootsweb.com > >To: list-update@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] You seem to have forgotten ONE step. > >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:39:06 EDT > > > >In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:23:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >steveh@heroldtech.com writes: > > > ><<What happens to the Accept list? Is this list going to be automatically > >carried over to the new system or do I loose them?>> > > > >The admin of this list has requested that we move discussion aimed more at > >just list ADMINS over to the listowners-L list and concentrate on list > >USER > >issues on this list--I'm reply here to your questions posted here because > >they > >are a combination of both and were originally asked here: > >The Accept List transfers over just fine because there is a Mailman > >equivalent. Too bad I subscribed after this came thru!! > > > >That shouldn't be necessary--just let your list members know to continue > >posting on-topic discussion as always. Joan, can you guarantee this migration will go off without a hitch?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006

Cant - off topic there <G> Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Comment on > Dan-- > > Rather than be quiet... if you are having difficulty separating thoughts... > which likely are running rampant about now... do post to the ListOwners > list where your peers can support ALL aspects of your questions.

Hi Kathie: I asked Rod to move forward from a development topic that has already been discussed til folks were blue in the face (on three lists if I recall correctly), was put before the developers and has been answered. It is a moot point now. A fact of life is that end users filters will need to be changed/updated. As the tagline/footer says: ************************** This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. ******************************* Please do post your Admin comments and concerns on the LO list. We have been responding to them all day long and will continue to do so to the best of our ability. There has been discussion among the List Admins of the BETA testing and the inevitable migration on the ListOwners List for weeks. It is not a great surprise that it is occurring. Just the timing of it.... a bit sooner than we may have expected or anticipated. This migration can go very smoothly. The software works! Cheers, Lauren

Now the page lists all the support lists EXCEPT this one (list-update)! The bodes and augers are taking a downturn! -R. Rod Dav4is wrote: > Seems fine now, but it certainly wasn't fine when I posted before! >Someone fixed it while my back was turned. > It's all done with smoke and mirrors, folks! ;o) > >-R. > >JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > > > >>In a message dated 8/12/2006 2:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>jaws64@comlinkusa.net writes: >> >>You must be seeing something I'm not because when I go to that page I see: >> >>Listowners and List-Development but no "List-Update"!! >> >> >> >> >>It's been changed back--now you see it now you don't. ;) >> >>Joan >>This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

As some subscribers to this list know, I have strenuously objected on another list to the wholesale renaming of all the lists -- before being rudely cut off without warning in mid-sentence, as it were. 1. Renaming all the lists, e.g. from "LISTNAME-L" to "listname", virtually guarantees that all subscribers using their email client filter capabilities will need to change them. 2. If the lists had been all renamed to "listname-L" at least the -L subscribers would escape having to change their filters. 3. Even if this is just a few subscribers, why unnecessarily disturb them? 4. Making the new list names all be ...-L is easily within the capability of the new list processor (I checked), and simple as pie to do. No code changes required. 5. Far from "reducing the confusion" associated with the old -L/-D/-I nomenclature, this change ADDS to the confusion by introducing yet another name, since the old names are being retained for some reason. 6. In fact, having all lists be named ...-L would be a return to the previous state when ListServ was the processor. Nobody seemed confused that -L meant that it was a mail list. 7. What is the /advantage/ of the new nomenclature? I maintain that there is none. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

Will attachments be possible with the new system?

Jackie, Steve, Rod: This in NO way will compare to the experience in 2001. I recall that... 3000 messages re boards in about a 24 hour period. Melissa, Rob and others that have been working on this migration and testing have been very responsive and desire to have it go as smoothly as possible. Consider that their normal work week is M-F and we have gotten responses from them today... SATURDAY. Give them a bit of a break. We have our minor number of lists to deal with... they have over 30,000. And as someone that codes web pages, I can tell you that some things that are simple are often overlooked. Especially if you have been up burning the midnight oil. The overall migration should go off without a hitch for the users. Be prepared for a good experience. Cheers, Lauren

Amen! --- Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > Repeating: > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and > answered. The horse > will not smell any better getting beat on this list > too. > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the > "powers that be." > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going > live. No -L required. > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be > happy to drop it when > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics > related to the update of the mailing lists. List > Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com > list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dan-- Rather than be quiet... if you are having difficulty separating thoughts... which likely are running rampant about now... do post to the ListOwners list where your peers can support ALL aspects of your questions. > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. Cheers, Lauren

Repeating: Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. Fact: This was given due consideration by the "powers that be." Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going live. No -L required. Filters may need adjusting/editing. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be happy to drop it when > everyone gets the facts straight.

It is not up yet, but I understand it is coming. If it is anything like the one for List Admins though, I think it will be very nice once we get used to it. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net davidecann@gmail.com (alternate) -----Original Message----- From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Lytton Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:06 PM To: LIST-UPDATE@rootsweb.com Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Mailman I've been using Mailman for years. Will the RW version have the user options page for each individual user? Daryl