PLEASE Un- Suscribe me Now !! I am getting stuff that is not helpoing me in my research. Thanks. Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: yes Tom, you are correct. You may have missed that I said to UN subscribe. Lauren On 8/12/06, Tom Hesler wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > >Address books will need to be updated... although the -L in the > >address will still > >work, it is unnecessary to include it when sending mail to the list, > >nor is it necessary to include in in unsubscription messages for > >EITHER mode-- L or D. > > Lauren, > > You must use the -D-request to subscribe in the digest mode. > > Regards, > Tom Hesler > > > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ************************** This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

why do I keep getting this message? I signed in to subscribe but to keep getting the same message is ridiculous. janieval@comcast.net -==-==-==- Even worse is to send it all back for the rest of us * 31K* wasted space.

Lauren I am WELL aware of LO as I have been on it for a long time. I have been an admin for 9 years. I know these lists are archived. But WHAT I am saying to you is that you are NOT the ADMIN of this list that I am aware of and I think you are being pushy telling we ADMINS to move the discussion to LO. I am ALSO a SUBSCRIBER to many lists and I do not think you need to be telling me or anyone else where to discuss this. USERS of the lists includes all of us. So don't be telling me or Rod or anyone else where to take our discussion. We who are admins are on LO {if we choose to be} but I have not seen many USER only posting on this NEW list. I have seen far more admins posting here and I have NOT personally seen objections to these posts by anyone other than you. I am actually excited about changes but my COMPLAINT is and has been that the timing of the announcement was way off and NONE of the ADMINS were notified. COMMUNICATION to US is the KEY to the best possible transition so that we are PREPARED to help our subscribers if needed, instead of looking like a bunch of CLUELESS saps. It bothers me that a business like Ancestry/Rootsweb can ignore the very people who help keep these lists managed and we DON'T get paid for out time. So the least they could do is give us the courtesy of a heads up well in advance. On 8/12/06, Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > Kathie: > > ListOwners and ListDevelopment lists are archived. Rod's posts ARE there. > As I understand it, this list is primarily for USER assistance and we have > already been told to take Administrative matters to the LO list, as repeats > in every footer for this list. > > ********************************************* > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ********************************************* > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

Thanks Dan for clearing some things up and bringing up other issues. Please don't admonish me for my questions as I signed up as soon as I got the 1st email and am trying to follow what is going on. I have three email addresses now - personal, business and genealogy. Which means I will have to have a 4 which my ISP will not allow because my hubbie has 2 addresses - personal and business - 5 is our limit. So you say join one of the "free" email lists which will emendate me with more spam. I get enough now, thanks allot. My life is really going to be fun. Please keep in mind we are only volunteers for this. Seems like I might as well chunk my personal research to become a total administrator. No tag lines and I do read them because some have good information. I use taglines on my county lists to encourage others to donate to the list or to archives. So now that's gone, which means no more donatations of county or family info. And this is an improvement how? Kemis Massey List Administrator for the MASSEY surname Webmaster and list administrator for Chattahoochee and Muscogee Counties, GAGenWeb Project Webmaster and co-list administrator for Clayton County, GAGenWeb Project and AHGP List Administrator for Harris County GAGenWeb Project and I'm not going to start on the message boards that I administrator - no telling what this is going to do to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan M Ok I got it down now! All the names have changed = but not really we dont need the L or D = but we can if we want to the search dont work = but it really does. our tag lines are gone - but we can put them in the Welcome message = no one reads, = of course they dont read the tags any way so nothing changes there. We need 2 email addresses to watch the lists We can only subscribe in the ( subject ) line = so what happens to all those rootsweb subscribers who use the Message area only = thousands of people who migrate on and off lists. Will mail man unsub some one like the other system if we unsub with Joans addy in a message will she get removed <G> too < small smile here>;-) kidding Joan. Just wondering about this ? ************************** This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes Tom, you are correct. You may have missed that I said to UN subscribe. Lauren On 8/12/06, Tom Hesler <hesler@bellsouth.net> wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: > >Address books will need to be updated... although the -L in the > >address will still > >work, it is unnecessary to include it when sending mail to the list, > >nor is it necessary to include in in unsubscription messages for > >EITHER mode-- L or D. > > Lauren, > > You must use the -D-request to subscribe in the digest mode. > > Regards, > Tom Hesler > > > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lauren, Isn't the admin of this list supposed to tell us if we can't discuss it here? I have not seen any mention from the admin what EXACTLY the topic is here other than the current events. It seems to me that you are telling everyone else to move the discussion to LO when many of us have never seen Rod's posts because we are not subscribers to List Development. I think you need to let the admin stop the discussion if he or she thinks it is warranted. Last time I looked you were just a admin/subscriber like the rest of us here. So why don't you stop trying to be the moderator and let us talk about this here if we want to? FWIW I think just because you were a BETA tester does not mean you are in charge here so stop trying to run the show. On 8/12/06, Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kathie: > > I asked Rod to move forward from a development topic that has already > been discussed til folks were blue in the face (on three lists if I > recall correctly), was put before the developers and has been > answered. It is a moot point now. A fact of life is that end users > filters will need to be changed/updated. > > As the tagline/footer says: > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update > of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics > (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ******************************* > > Please do post your Admin comments and concerns on the LO list. We > have been responding to them all day long and will continue to do so > to the best > of our ability. There has been discussion among the List Admins of > the BETA testing and the inevitable migration on the ListOwners List > for weeks. It is not a great surprise that it is occurring. Just > the timing of it.... a bit sooner than we may have expected or > anticipated. > > This migration can go very smoothly. The software works! > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

I KNEW there was a reason for sticking with upper case for list names! ;o) -R. Steve Herold wrote: >There was a message earlier that the list-update requires upper case > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/LIST-UPDATE.html >This works...but how stupid is this!!! > > >Steve > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com >>[mailto:list-update-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie >>Wilson Goddard >>Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:48 PM >>To: list-update@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Welcome to the "LIST-UPDATE" mailing list >> >>At 01:09 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote: >> >> >> >>>Welcome to the LIST-UPDATE mailing list! >>> >>> <snip> >>>General information about the mailing list, including links >>> >>> >>to the list >> >> >>>archives, can be found at: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/list-update.htm >> >> >>>l >>> >>> >>This is wonderful - the above link takes you to a 404 error!!! >> >>This is the sort of stuff that makes our alarm bells go off. If you >>(RootsWeb/Ancestry/MyFamily) can't get something as simple as >>the general info page right, why would we have any confidence >>in the list migration, let alone the board update?? >> >>(I remember only too well the fiasco's of 2001) >> >>Jackie >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 >> >> >>This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the >>update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss >>admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the >>ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

Hi, Dan- To the best of my knowledge, the prepends remain under control of the administrators and no wholesale changes will be made. I could be wrong about that. I find the danger in filtering on the subject line is that it lacks security: i.e. anyone can put [LIST-UPDATE] in the subject of any old message and spoil my filtering. Also, I have seen messages with TWO prepends -- i.e. a message copied from one list and posted on another. -R. Dan M wrote: >I have all mine set up to filter subject line prepends, I hope that wont >change too ?>? > >Dan M > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

Lauren wrote: "The -L is not part of the list name. It was an artificial designator to force Smartlist to do something that even it was not designed to do. To my knowledge "ListServ" was not the software ever used at Rootsweb.com" Lauren is correct that RootsWeb never used the ListServ software. RootsWeb went public in early April 1996 and announced SmartList within a week. However, a number of existing genealogy-related lists were eventually migrated from other servers to RootsWeb by August 1997, and many of those had been ListServ-based and were already using -L names. I suspect that there was a desire at that time not to change those names and to be consistent with the naming of new lists. And because SmartList did not support "Mail" and "Digest" options (as most other list management software does), it was necessary to actually create two different names for the two formats, a workaround that involved using -L and -D names. Now that the new list management software (Mailman) actually *does* support subscription options with a *single* list name, the -L part isn't really needed. Drew Smith

Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be happy to drop it when everyone gets the facts straight. Naming all the lists with a terminal -L would NOT require any reengineering or code changes at all. Mailman can handle "list-update-L" as a list name just as easily as it currently handles "list-update". I checked this with the folks on the Mailman mail list. True, the -L/-D/-I suffixes were NOT part of the list name under Smartlist, but the -L at least could be with Mailman. And, as Karen Isaacson Leverich stated on July 26 on the LD list, "Once upon a time, long long ago (we're talking 1987), Alf Christopherson created ROOTS-L using LISTSERV at NDSU." -R. Lauren Boyd wrote: >Dear Listers: > >Rod hashed and hashed and rehashed this already on the List Development list. >I don't see any reason to repeat that discussion here. His comments and >concerns WERE brought to the BETA list. I really would rather not have to >read a third round of this which has become a moot point. > >Let it suffice that it will require extra reengineering of the >software, defeating >the purpose of going to something new and upgradable, will block more spam >from hitting the lists, etc. > >The -L is not part of the list name. It was an artificial designator to force >Smartlist to do something that even it was not designed to do. To my >knowledge "ListServ" was not the software ever used at Rootsweb.com > >Yes, there may be a wee bit of work for subscribers to edit their filters. >That will be a short lived experience. And much worth the trade off from >having software that was failing the system. > >Can we move off thiis topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse >will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. > >Cheers, > >Lauren > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: DAV4IS@YAHOO.COM "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" -Pogo Possum (1970)

I am curious as to why you, Lauren, are asking anyone to move off this topic. Under the circumstances many of the list admins are very dismayed that Rootsweb did not choose to give us a few weeks notice about this major change. Many admins have multiple lists with hundreds of subscribers, and I fail to see why we should not be upset about being given some DUE RESPECT as volunteers to know what the devil is going to take place more than just a mere few days from the event. I also fail to see the purpose of this list if we can't be discussing it. I am sure this is looking more and more like a super huge Migraine to many of us. JMHO On 8/12/06, Lauren Boyd <listsmonster@gmail.com> wrote: > Repeating: > Can we move off this topic, Rod? Please. Asked and answered. The horse > will not smell any better getting beat on this list too. > > Fact: This was given due consideration by the "powers that be." > > Fact: BETA testing is complete, lists are going live. No -L required. > Filters may need adjusting/editing. > > Cheers, > > Lauren > > > On 8/12/06, Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Sorry, Lauren, but you are misinformed. I'll be happy to drop it when > > everyone gets the facts straight. > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kathie Harrison Family Trees Grow with Love Ancestral Whispers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/

Joan Asche wrote: > I would like to request a new mailing list rootsweb-complainers > -- or how about hissy-fit-i'm-not-getting-my-own-way. Okay > -- just kidding really.... Well...there's always the L_O_A_F list :) Daryl

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd" <listsmonster@gmail.com> To: <list-update@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Please clarify what is a bit hazy to me right now. Hi Manaia: This indeed, applies to all Rootsweb lists. Some, but not all, users like to subscribe in both modes, whereas, Admins are required to subscribe in both modes to ensure all is well with them. Subscribers will need to subscribe to each mode from a different address. Admins can use their List Admin Address to subscribe in one mode and their personal address to subscribe to the other mode. As our Admin addresses are "alias" we will receive the list and digest modes in the same mail box. Cheers, Lauren --------------------------------------- Clarification - Admins are not REQUIRED to subscribe to Digests. They may CHOOSE to do so to monitor that Digests are going out correctly. I stopped subbing to the Digests for my lists several years ago and have never had any subscriber complain about not receiving a Digest. Unless it IS made a requirement that Admins subscribe to their Digests I don't plan to do so. Regards, Sharyn

I for one am looking forward to the change in programs. No doubt there will be some hiccups as with the introduction of any new or modified program, there will be a learning curve and some questions but I don't think an mail delivery system should cause anyone to loose sleep over. The old system has served its purpose and been in use for a long period. So I have to change about 25 filters, 30 minutes work. Why not give it a chance, the decision has been made by those who foot the bill. We no longer pay (contribute) for Rootsweb as in the old days. Still the best out there. Bob ================================

Will the Digests still come in the same format that they do right now.

Hi Manaia: This indeed, applies to all Rootsweb lists. Some, but not all, users like to subscribe in both modes, whereas, Admins are required to subscribe in both modes to ensure all is well with them. Subscribers will need to subscribe to each mode from a different address. Admins can use their List Admin Address to subscribe in one mode and their personal address to subscribe to the other mode. As our Admin addresses are "alias" we will receive the list and digest modes in the same mail box. Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, manaia alofa <manaiaalofa@yahoo.com> wrote: > If you would like to subscribe to the list digest, please send an email with the word "subscribeEin the subject line to: > List-Update-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Are you subscribed to both the regular and digest modes of a list with a single email address? > The new list management system does not support a single email address being subscribed to both the mail (regular delivery) and the digest at the same time. > > This means you will no longer be able to receive both the digest and the regular delivery (ELE versions of the list at the same email address. If you are currently subscribed to both ELEand EDEwith the same address, you will only continue to be subscribed to regular delivery when the list is migrated. You will need to subscribe to the list digest with a different email address. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. > > +++++++++++++++ > > Does the above statement[s] pertain only to the List-Update List? or to ALL Rootsweb Lists? > > Please clarify what is a bit hazy to me right now. > > I don't think I'd like subscribing to -L and the -D lists with two different addys for every List I admin to and/or subscribe to -- H-E-L-P! > > If something is broke, fix it -- I'm just the volunteer with no more means of fixing damaged goods than my poor pockets -- I am broke! > > Regards, > --Manaia > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hit the second one. Judy French

HI Dan: >From a user perspective, perhaps take a look to the migration schedule and compare to your subscriptions. This will give you an idea of when to expect change. If you rely heavily on filters, or even have a few, you may have to adjust them. Some people filter on prepends and there should be no edits required. Some people filter on the list address and that will probably require editing. Some people filter on X-diagnostic lines within the headers and that may or may not require editing. Address books will need to be updated... although the -L in the address will still work, it is unnecessary to include it when sending mail to the list, nor is it necessary to include in in unsubscription messages for EITHER mode-- L or D. We will have to remember that although we do not have to retain the L, when subscribing to new lists, we will still need to include "request" in the address. And as Joan has said, we need to remember that mailman requires the word subscribe in the subject line. As subscribers we will also have to exhibit a bit of patience and understanding to our Admins and allow them a bit of time to get up to speed with the new procedures. They may need to go to a support list to get more information to provide an answer to some listers' questions and that could create a bit of delay beyond their usual prompt response. Their tutorial is good, but we being humans sometimes need support in finding what we are looking for. As subscribers we will have to remember to write our Admins off the list at their admin addresses (which will remain unchanged) for those items we may be experiencing difficulty with or have questions on. Some admins may invite comment on list for a bit, but many will not. It is best to check with the Admin before posting administrative items to a list unless specifically invited to. This list is here to support USER questions... don't be bashful about bringing yours here or letting others know this list exists for their support. As subscribers, we may experience a slow down in mail as people have trepidation to be the first to "test" the new system. However, once mail begins to post, the pace picks up to its usual rate. Or so we have experienced. As an Admin --- come see us on the LO list and get your Admin questions responded to. No sense in *really* confusing listers. <g> Cheers, Lauren On 8/12/06, Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: > > ************************** > > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of > the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like > settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > > ------------------------------- > > > Ok > Whuts the very fist step in preparing for this ? > Dan > > > ************************** > This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like settings and tools) on the ListOwners-L@rootsweb.com list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LIST-UPDATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you would like to subscribe to the list digest, please send an email with the word “subscribeEin the subject line to: List-Update-D-request@rootsweb.com Are you subscribed to both the regular and digest modes of a list with a single email address? The new list management system does not support a single email address being subscribed to both the mail (regular delivery) and the digest at the same time. This means you will no longer be able to receive both the digest and the regular delivery (ELE versions of the list at the same email address. If you are currently subscribed to both ELEand EDEwith the same address, you will only continue to be subscribed to regular delivery when the list is migrated. You will need to subscribe to the list digest with a different email address. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. +++++++++++++++ Does the above statement[s] pertain only to the List-Update List? or to ALL Rootsweb Lists? Please clarify what is a bit hazy to me right now. I don't think I'd like subscribing to -L and the -D lists with two different addys for every List I admin to and/or subscribe to -- H-E-L-P! If something is broke, fix it -- I'm just the volunteer with no more means of fixing damaged goods than my poor pockets -- I am broke! Regards, --Manaia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.