Hi Cliff this may help some. there seems to be a gap between Robert who was in VA in 1665 and Robert of the Mount b 1710 d 1784 but Jerome is covered. Rev David Lindsay b in SCT 1603 d. in Northumberland Co. VA 1667, was the son of Sir Hierome (Jerome) Lindsay 1562-1642, who was the son of Sir David Lindsay 1532-1613, Bishop of Ross. and Margaret Colville. The Rev David Lindsay left his entire estate to his dau, Helen d. 1698, "Lynsday" and named her as executrix. She m. 1st Wiliam Wathen and 2nd Thomas Opie of Bristol, ENG. In 1662 Rev. David Lyndsay faced a fine of 10000 lbs of tobacco; he had married a servant of Col Richard Lee to another man's servant without Lee's consent. Lyndsay appealed this to James City, and the decision was overturned. He died in 1667, and we find James Clayton a witness to his will. Robert Lindsay came to VA abt the same time as the Rev David Lindsay. He is first mentioned in the records of Northumberland in 1665 when he testified on behalf of Susanna Lindsay and gave his age as twenty four. In the mid 1660s he had gone twice to Bristol and sailed back to VA. The assumption that he was the son of the Rev David Lindsay by his first wife has been disproved and the true relationship established by Mr. Donald Whyte, F.S.A. Scot., L.H.G., acting on behalf of Jo White Linn who prepared for Gordon Gray Esq., former Secretary of War under President Truman, the excellent genealogy entitled "The Gray Family and Allied Lines". Mr. Gray is a descendant of Robert Lindsay of The Mount, Fairfax Co. VA. Mr. Whyte found in the Scottish records that Sir Hierome Lindsay and his second wife Agnes Lindsay had dau Rachael (1612-1645) who married 1640 Lt. Col. Bernard Lindsay (1603-after 1646) of Lochehill, SCT, a distant cousin. Therefore, both Helen and Robert Lindsay were grandchildren of Sir Hierome Lindsay. Robert was also a great grandson of Sir David Lindsay of The Mount. A close relationship did exist between Rev David Lindsay and Robert Lindsay, possibly related to the fact that Robert's mother died immediately after his birth and his father was engaged in military service, and Rev David may have undertaken to raise Robert in his home and brought Robert to Virginia with him. p. 76 Fourteen years after the death of the minister, 1681, the records of Northumberland Court House show that a "Robert Lyndsay of Cherry Poynt was a resident". This is proof he lived near the minister as the minister's home was in Cherry Poynt in this county. "Robert Lindsay made oath concerning a statement of one Richard Thompson who circulated a malicious and scandalous report about the wife of Mr. David Lindsay, for which he was indicted and convicted by Court." Northumberland Court House Records, January 1665. p. 186-187-188. Children of Robert Lindsay 1710-1784: 1. William m. Ann Calvert. 2. Opie m. 3 times. Opie was Principal benefactor in his father's will. "Opie looked upon himself as the head of the family despite his having an elder brother, but it was doubtless on account of his inheriting the paternal homestead. Opie served for awhile, in youth, in the Revolutionary war as bearer of dispatches from one position of the army to another and had some narrow escapes, which it is said he was fond of relating." The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 43 page 105 [p.105] Mrs. Alice Lindsay Collins. DAR ID Number: 42278 Born in Boone County, Kentucky. Wife of Washington L. Collins. Descendant of Opie Lindsay, of Virginia. Daughter of Dr. Opie John Lindsay and Emily Trabue Clarkson, his wife. Granddaughter of Thomas Lindsay and Rebecca Brennon, his wife. Gr.-granddaughter of Opie Lindsay and Margaret Lambkin, his 1st wife. Opie Lindsay, (1745-1815), was a dispatch bearer in the Revolution. He was born and died in Fairfax Co., Va. 3. Mary Ann m. Henry Boggess, 4.Thomas 1750-1830 m. Martha Scott-Fox b PA - issue 9 children. m. and 2nd Susan Stubblefield. sources: "The Lindsays of America" CS 71 L753 1889. The Lindsay Family Assoc of America. Annual Reports. VA Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol 17, Jan 1979, Number 1, Pages 59-64. Leslie D. Dawson, "The Lindsay Family of Northumberland and Fairfax Counties, Virginia". Joseph W. Lindsay Hayle, FSA Scot. Clan Lindsay Historian. At 01:25 PM 8/29/2001 -0600, Cliff Lindsey wrote: >Hi All: > >Can anyone interested in the James of Gloucester 390 acres help on this? > >I have pages 66-77 with the above title on the top of each page. I did >not copy the front cover however. I believe I copied these at the LDS >library in SLC. > >I don't know if this is a chapter or book title. I would like to see >the whole section again. > >Further discussion on info in this book: > >On a letter from Lord Crawford a couple of years ago, he suggested >checking out the four younger sons on Sir Jerome and Agnes. I found >them in the book mentioned above. The youngest was named Jerom (No "e") >born 1620. Do you think is all the opinions of our James being a son of >Sir Jerome, could someone had been confused with Jerom? There was no >death >date on Jerom. But maybe my granddaughter in Edinburgh could check out >some records there on Jerom's life and children, if any. > >Has anyone seen any work that checked Jerom's life and children? His >children's generation would fit with the years of our James in VA. > >This well documented study shows James (7th of the Mount), eldest son of >Sir Jerome and Agnes, (According to Edinburgh Testiments) died in 1674 >(same year as a deed issued to James of Gloucester). Then it goes on >that his son James b.? and d. abt. 1713 (last and 8th of the mount) >died "bankrupt and utterly insolvent" and The Mount was sold in 1715 by >a nephew named John Lindsay (merchant in Edinburgh). > >I have seen reports saying James 7th of the Mount came to Gloucester and >his wife was Anna Hay. But this work says he and died in Scotland, had >sons James the 8th of the Mount and Robert. > >Lord Crawford also said to check the children of James the 7th's >daughter Elizabeth. Well, she had two sons: John (who sold The Mount) >and David. So, no James there! > >In conclusion, all or almost all reports of the first VA Caleb's father >being James, a son of Sir Jerome, use un-provable statements versus the >documented records in Scotland! > >What do you think folks? > >Cliff >-- >Cliff Lindsey >Lindsey Sales & Marketing >P.O. Box 970 >Freeland, WA 98249 >360-331-8626 Ph. >360-331-8636 Fx.