This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: liddell mackirdy Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YQw.2ACEB/178.2.2 Message Board Post: Hi Jim, This is just further speculation following the threads of the other collaterals lines backward, but the idea that they were Presbyterian landed gentry and they marrried into the families of north earlier than they were later proved to do, then this would explain it. Alternately, maybe there were was a northern push of the persecution to the sea before they were forced to Ulster and they just happened to get to known the Northerners they would later marry while they we there. Well anyway, so much for wild speculation Dale David West