This is a forwarded message. Please reply to the list or to Jim Liddell. Thanks, Nancy, List Admin. A research team of family genealogists was formed in Februrary of this year (2004) to assist individuals with lines connected to any of 40 or more related surnames which probably are derived from the Scottish placename Liddesdale. These surnames include Liddell, Lydell, Lidel, Liddel, Liddle, Littell, Lydal and so forth. The reader of this message can probably figure out the other variant spellings not listed here. This team currently uses the name Team Liddell simply because the vast majority of its members are of the various Liddell lines but the team fully supports and assists those with the assumedly related surnames. The two primary objectives of the team are to assist those still tracing back to Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England and those who have already accomplished this and who are now exploring the "ultimate origins" of their lines. The team believes that all of these surname groups are related in their DNA/mtDNA even if the document trail can't prove it. While still in its fifth month of existance, the team already had members in seven nations worldwide and some 15 American states, has established a Yahoo Group site which is closed to the public but which serves its members as a common filing cabinet, reference library and archives for its members to upload their line-charts, essays on their families and related material of general interest to all members. There are plans for a DNA/mtDNA study in perhaps a year and the erection of a limited-purpose more public website in addition to the Group site. An international in-gathering of the surnames has been discussed as well. Every intention is held for this to be a permanent community of related surnames. There are no dues or assessment and no formal organization. The team goes to great lengths to ensure complete privacy to its members and the non-disclosure of their email addresses and details of their private lives. All work is voluntary but generously acknowledged and recognized team-wide. If you are interested in joining on a trial basis with the assurance that you can remain simply an observer if you so desire, please provide: (1) your proper name and nickname, (2) your state or province of residence, ((3) your personal estimation of the size of your files (Average, Large or Vast--we don't force our members to admit they have only a few scraps), (4) whether or not you are interested without obligation in participating in the DNA/mtDNA study (the estiamted cost is under $175), (5) your primary research interest area and (6) if not bearing one of the Liddesdale-variant surnames, a brief description of how your lines link most closely to one of these. Email this to [email protected] and expect a reply within 48 hours. Thanks. Jim Liddell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Lydell, Liddle, Liddel, Ladell, Ledell, Ledel, Little, Littell, Lindell, Lydel, Lidel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/186 Message Board Post: A research team of family genealogists was formed in Februrary of this year (2004) to assist individuals with lines connected to any of the 40 or more related surnames which are derived from the Scottish placename Liddesdale. These surnames include Liddell, Lydell, Lidel, Liddel, Liddle, Littell, Lydal and so forth. The reader of this message can probably figure out the other variant spellings not listed here which are not shown for the sake of brevity. This team currently uses the name Team Liddell simply because the vast majority of its members are of the various Liddell lines but the team fully supports and assists those with the assumedly related surnames. The two primary objectives of the team are to assist those still tracing back to Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England and those who have already accomplished this and who are now exploring the "ultimate origins" of their lines. The team believes that all of these surname groups are related in their DNA/mtDNA even if the document trail can't prove it. While still in its fifth month of existance, the team already had members in seven nations worldwide and some 15 American states, has established a Yahoo Group site which is not accessible by the public but which serves its members as a common filing cabinet, reference library, message center and archives for its members to upload their line-charts, essays on their families and related material of general interest to all members. There are plans for a DNA/mtDNA study in perhaps a year and the erection of a limited-purpose more public website in addition to the Group site. An international in-gathering of the surnames has been discussed as well. Every intention is held for this to be a permanent community of related surnames. There are no dues or assessment and no formal organization. The team goes to great lengths to ensure complete privacy to its members and the non-disclosure of their email addresses and details of their private lives. All work is voluntary but generously acknowledged and recognized team-wide. Having fun and being pleasant to each other are two key features of the entire activity. Some members are not interested in genealogy per se but rather clothing and food of their ancestors and others in political and economic history. Some of their essays at the group site are the most interesting of all. If you are interested in joining on a trial basis with the assurance that you can remain simply an observer if you so desire and your privacy respected to the degree you state, please provide: (1) your proper name and nickname, (2) your state or province of residence, ((3) your personal estimation of the size of your files (Average, Large or Vast--we don't force our members to admit they have only a few scraps), (4) whether or not you are interested without obligation in participating in the DNA/mtDNA study (the estiamted cost is under $175), (5) your primary research interest area and (6) if not bearing one of the Liddesdale-variant surnames, a brief description of how your lines link most closely to one of these. Email these items to [email protected] and expect a reply within 48 hours. Thanks.

The first two links are to pages that are informative and very well done. The third link is a great find, if any of your ancestors happened to belong to a Primitive Baptist Church. Not all states are online, but the ones that are have a lot of detailed information. I found an entire extended family of one of my Illinois lines there! I hope they're helpful to some of you. Please forgive crossposts. Nancy Protestant Denominations Established in Colonial America: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Egentutor/protest.html Religious Groups in America, 1800 - 2000: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Egentutor/religion.html Index to Primitive Baptist Church and Family History Research: http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/Index.html Nancy Brister, stop by and visit the family! www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com Baldridge, Cain, Courtney, Curtis, Carmichael, Dawkins, Doty, Garmon, Garrett, Hanon, Jackson, McCormick, Matthews, Osborne, Sharp, Stampley, Stringer, Turrentine, Warren and more!

These represent all the Liddells I found in the marriage indexes of Jefferson and Adams Counties, MS, originally published by the Genealogical Publishing Co. (However, I've found, with other names, that this index may not be complete!) Nancy Marriage Index: Jefferson County, MS, 1766-1935 L340 s: LIDDELL, Addie GRANGER, G G 1898-May-26 L340 s: LIDDELL, Cicero J HACKLER, Olive I 1862-Nov-18 L340 s: LIDDELL, Durword JOHNSON, Lela 1889-Jan-07 L340 s: LIDDELL, Lena MAGEE, J W 1891-Feb-18 L340 s: LIDDELL, Lewanna GREENLEE, W R 1885-Dec-07 L340 s: LIDDELL, Martha A Mrs BROWN, Thomas C 1858-Apr-17 L340 s: LIDDELL, R R KERWAN, Delia 1880-Sep-30 L340 s: LIDDELL, William D SCOTT, Olive S 1875-Apr-21 L340 s: LIDDLE, Jamison BALDRIDGE, Martha 1836-Sep-22 Marriage Index: Adams County, MS, 1766-1935 L340 s: LIDDELL, Bathia F YOUNG, Wade R 1865-Oct-26 L340 s: LIDDELL, Joseph T HILL, Sarah 1810-Sep-25 L340 s: LIDDELL, Moses MORRIS, Ann 1828-Apr-17 L340 s: LIDDELL, Sarah (Mrs) JONES, Willie 1814-Apr-25 SNDX Spouse 1 Spouse 2 Date L340 s: LIDDELL, St. John R ROPER, Mary Metcalf 1841-Sep-02 L340 s: LIDELL, Mary Roper PATTERSON, J S 1893-Nov-15 Nancy, Visit the family! www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/183.2 Message Board Post: I am in the US Willaim.

For those who may have an interest, this is from Pat Connors, who hosts the Ireland-Trivia list. Nancy I have a new list that some may be interested in: Irish-In-UK It is a discussion list for those who are interested in the Irish migration to the UK (includes England, Wales, Scotland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands). It will include genealogy, history, culture etc and for those that settled in the UK and those that may have stayed there a while, or a generation or so, before moving on to the US, AU, South Africa or other areas of the world. If you would like to join, you can do so at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html I haven't gotten around to making a website for the list, yet, but hope to do so this weekend. Also, if you can pass the word on that this list has started, I would appreciate it. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/140.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Mike-- I assume you are GL's brother when I assume that casuality with you. That's the first time I've seen anyone reading LDS records showing James/1712 dead at 2 or 3. Well, if correct that just confirms that James Tompson Liddell and his daughter used LDS records and not any public records to write their opus. I don't think they used ANY actual records other than just what people told them and in the doing not mentioning kin they didn't like in that family and so forth. I know that this happened with my own family--nearly everyone born to a second wife after the first one died were left out by a wife of the first set of Liddell brothers. And from what I picked up on over the weekend, the very same thing is happening again some 50 years later. I sure wish "genealogists" would check with more than one source when they are using nothing but family records and not at all consulting the public ones. The location you cite doesn't surprise me. I've seen this before but never traced it out on a map. I do know there were some related Liddells on the south back of the Forth of Firth about then. And if you trace THAT out on a map, it is about 1.5-days' ride north of Liddesdale on the old "Low Road". --Remember that song: "Oh, you take the Low Road and I'll take the High Road and I'll be in Scotland before ye..."? Well, Airth is less than a day's ride from the Liddells I mentioned about on the F of F. (Scotland is such a tiny place. Total distance from Liddesdale to Airth was probably about 80 miles--a bit more than two-days' ride, I would guess.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/140.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Some time ago I responded to the LDS info to one of you. I'll repeat for all. I also saw the father of James 1712 listed as John and mother Janet Smith. Later I rechecked it and the James 1712 referred to died at age 2 or 3 years. If correct it is obviously not our "James 1712". Have not checked recently. Airth is located due east of Glasgow, far from the borderlands.

Speaking of expanding the crew...what about all those other Liddell lines floating about...anyone working on them? Any connections? Are they a part of the DNA project? Here are some of the OTHER Liddell lines I have in one of my databases: Descendants of Andrew Liddell Generation No. 1 1. ANDREW1 LIDDELL was born Abt. 1630 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. He married ELIZABETH MALCOM. She was born Abt. 1634 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. Child of ANDREW LIDDELL and ELIZABETH MALCOM is: 2. i. JOHN2 LIDDELL, b. March 14, 1661/62, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN2 LIDDELL (ANDREW1) was born March 14, 1661/62 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. He married HELEN WATER. She was born October 08, 1657 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. Children of JOHN LIDDELL and HELEN WATER are: 3. i. DAVID3 LIDDELL, b. August 27, 1686, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. ii. JANET LIDDELL, b. April 17, 1681. Generation No. 3 3. DAVID3 LIDDELL (JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born August 27, 1686 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. He married MARGARET STEVENSON August 12, 1710. She was born September 28, 1688 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. More About DAVID LIDDELL and MARGARET STEVENSON: Marriage: August 12, 1710 Children of DAVID LIDDELL and MARGARET STEVENSON are: 4. i. ROBERT4 LIDDELL, b. July 25, 1721, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. ii. ANNE LIDDELL, b. May 08, 1713, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. iii. DAVID LIDDELL, b. July 09, 1712, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. iv. JOAN LIDDELL, b. May 20, 1711, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. v. DAVID LIDDELL, b. May 08, 1719, St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. Generation No. 4 4. ROBERT4 LIDDELL (DAVID3, JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born July 25, 1721 in St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. He married ANN YOUNG. She was born June 23, 1728 in Govan, Glasgow Lanark, Scotland. Children of ROBERT LIDDELL and ANN YOUNG are: 5. i. WILLIAM5 LIDDELL, b. August 13, 1758, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. ii. MARY LIDDELL, b. February 13, 1753, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. 6. iii. JOHN LIDDELL, b. June 18, 1755, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. iv. AGNES LIDDELL, b. July 18, 1767, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. v. ANNE LIDDELL, b. August 30, 1762, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. vi. JANET LIDDELL, b. November 16, 1764, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. Generation No. 5 5. WILLIAM5 LIDDELL (ROBERT4, DAVID3, JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born August 13, 1758 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland. He married ELIZABETH CRAWFORD February 18, 1782 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. She was born April 20, 1757 in Calton, Lanark, Scotland. More About WILLIAM LIDDELL and ELIZABETH CRAWFORD: Marriage: February 18, 1782, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Children of WILLIAM LIDDELL and ELIZABETH CRAWFORD are: i. ELIZABETH6 LIDDELL, b. January 21, 1783, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. ii. JANET LIDDELL, b. November 02, 1784. iii. ANN LIDDELL, b. April 25, 1787, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. 7. iv. WILLIAM LIDDELL, b. April 25, 1787, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. v. LAWRENCE LIDDELL, b. April 18, 1789, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. vi. CRAWFORD LIDDELL, b. January 01, 1791, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. vii. JEAN LIDDELL, b. January 24, 1793, Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. viii. MARION LIDDELL, b. January 05, 1795, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. ix. JOHN LIDDELL, b. May 19, 1797. x. ISABEL LIDDELL, b. December 28, 1799, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. xi. PETER LIDDLE, b. December 28, 1799, Barony, Lanark, Scotland. 6. JOHN5 LIDDELL (ROBERT4, DAVID3, JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born June 18, 1755 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland. He married JEAN KIRKWOOD. She was born Abt. 1756 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland. Children of JOHN LIDDELL and JEAN KIRKWOOD are: i. AGNES6 LIDDELL, b. October 23, 1788. ii. JEAN LIDDELL, b. June 03, 1782. iii. JOHN LIDDELL, b. July 05, 1791. iv. ROBERT LIDDELL, b. July 22, 1785. v. JEAN LIDDELL, b. September 28, 1799. Generation No. 6 7. WILLIAM6 LIDDELL (WILLIAM5, ROBERT4, DAVID3, JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born April 25, 1787 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. He married MARGARET YOUNG November 24, 1816. She was born December 22, 1788 in Barony, Lanark, Scotland. Notes for WILLIAM LIDDELL: Source: Individual Record FamilySearch™ Ancestral File v4.19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- William LIDDELL OR LIDDLE (AFN: 27RP-SX) Pedigree Sex: M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Submitter(s): LEON FLOWERS LIDDELL Microfilm: 1394012 540 ARLINGTON STREET SAN FRANCISCO CA Submission: AF83-002493 USA 94131 JOHN F. NEVE Microfilm: 1394137 1510 WEST HEMLOCK WAY SANTA ANA CA Submission: AF83-029072 USA 92704 DWAYNE L. LIDDELL Microfilm: 1394320 3720 MELINDA LANE SALT LAKE CITY UT Submission: AF83-076035 USA 84106 BLANCE IRONS LIDDELL Microfilm: 1394488 RT 2 NEW PLYMOUTH ID Submission: AF87-005558 USA ARLYN G. LIDDELL Microfilm: NONE 3793 HONEYCUT ROAD SALT LAKE CITY UT Submission: AF92-100882 USA 84106 RUSSELL WILDER Microfilm: NONE 3560 S 5600 W WEST VALLEY CITY UT Submission: AF93-105190 USA 84120 RUSSELL WILDER Microfilm: NONE 3560 S 5600 W WEST VALLEY CITY UT Submission: AF93-106207 USA 84120 STEPHEN A. WILHITE Microfilm: NONE 8552 BRIARWOOD LANE DUBLIN CA Submission: AF92-108204 USA 94568 More About WILLIAM LIDDELL and MARGARET YOUNG: Marriage: November 24, 1816 Children of WILLIAM LIDDELL and MARGARET YOUNG are: i. JANET7 LIDDELL, b. October 19, 1817, Brachnie, Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. ii. ELIZABETH LIDDELL, b. Bef. March 19, 1820, Braughney, Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. More About ELIZABETH LIDDELL: Christening: March 19, 1820, Old Monkland, Barony, Barachime, Scotland 8. iii. WILLIAM LIDDELL, b. January 18, 1822, Barachnie Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland; d. January 16, 1862, Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England. iv. ALEXANDER LIDDELL, b. May 27, 1824, Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland. v. PETER LIDDELL, b. September 09, 1827, Brachnie, Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. vi. MARGARET LIDDELL, b. 1830, Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland. vii. JAMES LIDDELL, b. March 24, 1832, Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland. viii. JANET LIDDELL, b. October 22, 1834, Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland. ix. JOHN LIDDELL, b. October 10, 1836, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland. x. GABRIEL PATERSON LIDDELL, b. January 12, 1842, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland. More About GABRIEL PATERSON LIDDELL: Christening: February 03, 1842, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland xi. JANE LIDDELL, b. 1843, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland; d. November 28, 1915, Pollockshields, Glasgow, Scotland; m. (1) ROBERT PETTIGREW; b. 1844, Glasgow Lanark, Scotland; d. February 11, 1923, Govan, Glasgow Lanark, Scotland; m. (2) ROBERT MUIR; b. Abt. 1839. Generation No. 7 8. WILLIAM7 LIDDELL (WILLIAM6, WILLIAM5, ROBERT4, DAVID3, JOHN2, ANDREW1) was born January 18, 1822 in Barachnie Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland, and died January 16, 1862 in Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England. He married AGNES CASTLE PARK December 20, 1841 in Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland. She was born October 24, 1822 in Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland, and died May 11, 1912 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake Co, UT, USA. More About WILLIAM LIDDELL: Christening: January 27, 1822, Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland More About AGNES CASTLE PARK: Burial: May 18, 1912, Salt Lake City Cemetery , Salt Lake City, UT, USA More About WILLIAM LIDDELL and AGNES PARK: Marriage: December 20, 1841, Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland Child of WILLIAM LIDDELL and AGNES PARK is: i. ABRAHAM8 LIDDELL, b. October 27, 1855, Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland; d. April 01, 1939, St. Anthony, Fremont, ID, USA. More About ABRAHAM LIDDELL: Burial: April 04, 1939, Salt Lake City Cemetery , Salt Lake City, , UT, USA Descendants of James Liddell Generation No. 1 1. JAMES1 LIDDELL was born Abt. 1625 in Brechin, Angus, Scotland. He married AGNES WATT. She was born Abt. 1629 in Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About JAMES LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS More About AGNES WATT: Source: IGI/LDS Children of JAMES LIDDELL and AGNES WATT are: i. MARGARET2 LIDDELL, b. May 21, 1651. More About MARGARET LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS ii. CATHARINE LIDDELL, b. March 19, 1652/53. More About CATHARINE LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS iii. JEAN LIDDELL, b. May 24, 1654, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About JEAN LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS iv. CATHARINE LIDDELL, b. July 18, 1655, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About CATHARINE LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS v. JAMES LIDDELL, b. August 18, 1656, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About JAMES LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS vi. JOHN LIDDELL, b. December 08, 1658, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About JOHN LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS vii. ELSBET LIDDELL, b. March 07, 1659/60, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About ELSBET LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS viii. ISABEL LIDDELL, b. May 06, 1661, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About ISABEL LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS ix. THOMAS LIDDELL, b. September 07, 1663, Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About THOMAS LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS Descendants of James Liddell Generation No. 1 1. JAMES1 LIDDELL was born Abt. 1593 in (of) Brechin, Angus, Scotland. He married GRIZZELL PATTERSON. She was born Abt. 1597 in (of) Brechin, Angus, Scotland. More About JAMES LIDDELL: Name 1: Dauid Liddell Child of JAMES LIDDELL and GRIZZELL PATTERSON is: i. JAMES2 LIDDELL, b. April 24, 1625. More About JAMES LIDDELL: Christening: May 07, 1625, Brechin, Angus, Scotland Descendants of James Liddell Generation No. 1 1. JAMES1 LIDDELL was born Abt. 1594 in (of) Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. He married ISOBEL MILLAR. She was born Abt. 1598 in (of) Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. More About JAMES LIDDELL: Source: IGI/LDS Children of JAMES LIDDELL and ISOBEL MILLAR are: i. WILLIAM2 LIDDELL, b. September 1620. More About WILLIAM LIDDELL: Christening: September 1620, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland ii. ROBERT LIDDELL, b. Bef. October 08, 1624. More About ROBERT LIDDELL: Christening: October 08, 1624, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland iii. ROBERT LIDDELL, b. Bef. April 11, 1626. More About ROBERT LIDDELL: Christening: April 11, 1626, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland iv. ISOBELL LIDDELL, b. Bef. June 08, 1628. More About ISOBELL LIDDELL: Christening: June 08, 1628, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland v. JANET LIDDELL, b. Bef. June 19, 1631. More About JANET LIDDELL: Christening: June 19, 1631, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: IGI/LDS Descendants of Robert Liddell Generation No. 1 1. ROBERT1 LIDDELL was born 1672 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married AGNES LIDDELL 1694 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. She was born 1676 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. More About ROBERT LIDDELL: AFN: L2NW-93 Source: http://www.gencircles.com/users/uthouston/1/data/3438 More About ROBERT LIDDELL and AGNES LIDDELL: Marriage: 1694, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland Children of ROBERT LIDDELL and AGNES LIDDELL are: i. MARGARET2 LIDDELL, b. January 10, 1694/95, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. ii. JANET LIDDELL, b. February 08, 1697/98, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. 2. iii. ROBERT LIDDELL II, b. Bef. June 07, 1702, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iv. JOHN LIDDELL, b. April 03, 1704, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. v. WILLIAM LIDDELL, b. November 19, 1705, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. Bef. 1709, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. vi. JAMES LIDDELL, b. February 19, 1706/07, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. 1707, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. vii. WILLIAM LIDDELL, b. March 23, 1708/09, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. viii. HELEN LIDDELL, b. May 09, 1711, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Generation No. 2 2. ROBERT2 LIDDELL II (ROBERT1) was born Bef. June 07, 1702 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married CHRISTIAN JACKSON December 10, 1724 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland, daughter of JAMES JACKSON and MARY WHITE. She was born September 1703 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland. More About ROBERT LIDDELL II: AFN: L2NW-CF Baptism: June 07, 1702 Christening: June 07, 1702, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland More About ROBERT LIDDELL and CHRISTIAN JACKSON: Marriage: December 10, 1724, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland Children of ROBERT LIDDELL and CHRISTIAN JACKSON are: 3. i. MARY3 LIDDELL, b. Bef. November 03, 1725, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. ii. MARION LIDDELL, b. January 29, 1728/29, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iii. ROBERT LIDDELL III, b. July 15, 1733, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Generation No. 3 3. MARY3 LIDDELL (ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born Bef. November 03, 1725 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. She married MR BROWN 1749 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He was born Bet. 1710 - 1730. More About MARY LIDDELL: AFN: L2NW-1P Baptism: November 03, 1725 Christening: November 03, 1725, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland More About MR BROWN and MARY LIDDELL: Marriage: 1749, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland Children of MARY LIDDELL and MR BROWN are: i. ROBERT4 BROWN, b. April 22, 1750, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. ii. MARION BROWN, b. December 22, 1751, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iii. WILLIAM BROWN, b. August 05, 1753, Libberton, Lanark, Scotland; m. ELIZABETH MURRAY; b. July 13, 1787, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. 4. iv. JOHN BROWN, b. May 09, 1756, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Generation No. 4 4. JOHN4 BROWN (MARY3 LIDDELL, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born May 09, 1756 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He married MARGARET PORTIOUS. She was born Abt. 1756 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Children of JOHN BROWN and MARGARET PORTIOUS are: i. MARGARET5 BROWN, b. November 20, 1775, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. ii. JOHN BROWN, b. March 03, 1777, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland; m. MARGARET PORTEOUS, November 20, 1810; b. Bet. 1770 - 1780. More About JOHN BROWN and MARGARET PORTEOUS: Marriage: November 20, 1810 iii. MARY BROWN, b. August 03, 1779, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland. iv. WILLIAM BROWN, b. March 11, 1782; m. MARION MILLROSS, Bef. 1814; b. Bet. 1775 - 1790. More About WILLIAM BROWN and MARION MILLROSS: Marriage: Bef. 1814 v. JAMES BROWN, b. October 24, 1785, Elsighill, Lanark, Scotland. vi. JEAN BROWN, b. April 18, 1788, Elsighill, Lanark, Scotland. 5. vii. ELIZABETH BROWN, b. 1796, Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. February 17, 1844, Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Generation No. 5 5. ELIZABETH5 BROWN (JOHN4, MARY3 LIDDELL, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born 1796 in Walston, Lanarkshire, Scotland, and died February 17, 1844 in Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland. She married JAMES CRAWFORD II 1884. He was born December 04, 1794 in Dunshire, Lanark, Scotland, and died 1848 in Carlisle, Ombrim, England. More About ELIZABETH BROWN: Burial: Biggar Church Yard, Lanarkshire, Scotland More About JAMES CRAWFORD II: Burial: Manti City Cemetery, Manti, Sanpete, UT, USA More About JAMES CRAWFORD and ELIZABETH BROWN: Marriage: 1884 Children of ELIZABETH BROWN and JAMES CRAWFORD are: 6. i. MARGARET6 CRAWFORD, b. March 01, 1825, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. July 30, 1912, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA. ii. JAMES CRAWFORD III, b. February 08, 1827, Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. January 31, 1911, Manti, Sanpete, UT, USA; m. CATHERINE THOMPSON, November 25, 1851, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1820 - 1835. More About JAMES CRAWFORD III: Burial: Manti City Cemetery, Manti, Sanpete, UT, USA More About JAMES CRAWFORD and CATHERINE THOMPSON: Marriage: November 25, 1851, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA iii. JOHN CRAWFORD, b. September 30, 1828, Wickston, Peebleshire, Scotland; d. September 03, 1903, Manti, Sanpete, UT, USA; m. (1) CECILIA SHARP, April 06, 1853, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1820 - 1835; d. Bef. 1856; m. (2) ELIZABETH COOLIDGE SNOW, February 02, 1856, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1820 - 1835. More About JOHN CRAWFORD: Burial: September 08, 1903, Manti City Cemetery, Manti, Sanpete, UT, USA More About JOHN CRAWFORD and CECILIA SHARP: Marriage: April 06, 1853, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA More About JOHN CRAWFORD and ELIZABETH SNOW: Marriage: February 02, 1856, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA iv. CHRISTENA CRAWFORD, b. April 16, 1831, Eddleston-Peeble, Lanarkshire, Scotland; d. March 15, 1895. Generation No. 6 6. MARGARET6 CRAWFORD (ELIZABETH5 BROWN, JOHN4, MARY3 LIDDELL, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born March 01, 1825 in Dunsyre, Lanarkshire, Scotland, and died July 30, 1912 in Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA. She married JAMES HOUSTON August 26, 1845 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. He was born June 04, 1817 in Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland, and died January 05, 1864 in St. George, Washington, UT, USA. More About MARGARET CRAWFORD: Burial: August 01, 1912, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA More About JAMES HOUSTON: Burial: January 1864, St. George, Washington, UT, USA More About JAMES HOUSTON and MARGARET CRAWFORD: Marriage: August 26, 1845, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Children of MARGARET CRAWFORD and JAMES HOUSTON are: i. ELIZABETH7 HOUSTON, b. June 01, 1846, Nauvoo, Hancock, IL, USA; d. December 20, 1932, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA; m. ALBERT DELONG, January 03, 1867, St. George, Washington, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1840 - 1850. More About ELIZABETH HOUSTON: Burial: December 23, 1932, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA More About ALBERT DELONG and ELIZABETH HOUSTON: Marriage: January 03, 1867, St. George, Washington, UT, USA ii. JOHN HOUSTON, b. April 14, 1848, St. Josephs, Behnn, MO, USA; d. September 04, 1934. iii. JAMES HOUSTON, b. February 06, 1850, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; d. November 26, 1938, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA; m. (1) LUCY REBECCA COOPER, November 18, 1875, Washington, Kane, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1845 - 1855; m. (2) SARAH ANN LEFEVRE, April 22, 1881, St. George, Washington , UT, USA; b. Bet. 1845 - 1855. More About JAMES HOUSTON: Burial: November 30, 1938 More About JAMES HOUSTON and LUCY COOPER: Marriage: November 18, 1875, Washington, Kane, UT, USA More About JAMES HOUSTON and SARAH LEFEVRE: Marriage: April 22, 1881, St. George, Washington , UT, USA iv. JOSEPH HOUSTON, b. December 21, 1851; d. May 13, 1935. v. THOMAS HOUSTON, b. September 06, 1853, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; d. May 08, 1937, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; m. CHRISTINE RASSMINIA SCHOW, May 02, 1880, St. George, Washington, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1850 - 1860. More About THOMAS HOUSTON: Burial: May 11, 1937 More About THOMAS HOUSTON and CHRISTINE SCHOW: Marriage: May 02, 1880, St. George, Washington, UT, USA vi. MARGARET HOUSTON, b. December 01, 1856, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; d. May 20, 1911, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA; m. RILEY GARNER CLARK, December 28, 1874, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1850 - 1860. More About MARGARET HOUSTON: Burial: May 1911, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA More About RILEY CLARK and MARGARET HOUSTON: Marriage: December 28, 1874, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA vii. MARY DEMPSTER HOUSTON, b. June 06, 1858, Pondtown (Salem), UT, USA; d. August 22, 1936, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA; m. IRA WILDER HATCH, December 18, 1878, St. George, Washington, UT, USA; b. Bet. 1850 - 1865. More About MARY DEMPSTER HOUSTON: Burial: August 24, 1936, Panguitch, Garfield, UT, USA More About IRA HATCH and MARY HOUSTON: Marriage: December 18, 1878, St. George, Washington, UT, USA viii. HYRUM HOUSTON, b. September 09, 1860, Salt Lake City, S-Lk, Ut; d. July 13, 1862. ix. BRIGHAM HOUSTON, b. August 07, 1863, St. George, Wash., Ut; d. July 27, 1864, St. George, Wash., Ut. Dale David West

From "Scottish Settlers in North America, 1625-1825" compiled by David Dobson: Liddle, George 15, Yeoman, Scotland From Newcastle to GA September, 1775 on the Georgia Packet (PRO) Liddle, James Royalist soldier captured at the Battle of Dunbar in 1650, transported to New England on the Unity, employed at Lynn Ironworks in Massachusetts (NWI) Nancy Brister, researching: Baldridge, Cain, Courtney, Curtis, Carmichael, Dawkins, Doty, Garmon, Garrett, Hanon, Jackson, McCormick, Matthews, Osborne, Sharp, Stampley, Stringer, Turrentine, Warren Visit the folks! www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/140.2.1 Message Board Post: Chuckle. I love your play on that old subject line, Dale. Well, of course, this is more the sport of Gary Liddell and Ron Liddell, but it sure looks impressive to me, there, old buddy! I made contact with the Jackson MS Liddells again yesterday and spent a fortune in phone calls talking to them. This John Liddell is their line as I understand it.But they are just like the rest of us--you put a bunch of Liddells in the same room and close the door on them and then go back a half-hour later? You will find that they have chosen up sides and are lined on both sides of the room shouting at each other over whether or not Aunt Callie was a Smith or a Rakestraw before she married Bill Liddell back in 1875 in Roanoke. The smoke will come boiling out of that room, I promise. There might even be a body or two lying on the floor if you wait past the half-hour before openng that door. But in any case, they will then all come out of that room, laugh a little and go off and have coffee and cake together as if they were just as civilized as the rest of humanity. What a bunch I belong to. (Love every one of them, too!) Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/140.2 Message Board Post: Well lets see if this looks any different than you have these days: Descendants of John Liddell 1 John "James Liddell" Liddell b: 1686 in Scotland ** +Janet Smith b: Abt. 1690 2 James Liddell b: Bef. May 09, 1712 in Airth, Sterling, Scotland d: November 08, 1796 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA c: May 09, 1712 Airth, Sterling, Scotland *** +Esther Porter b: Abt. 1718 in Scotland m: Bef. 1742 in New Castle Co, Deleware, USA d: Aft. November 08, 1796 * 3 Daughter Liddell b: Bef. 1742 ***** +Matthew Robertson * 3 James Liddell b: Abt. 1742 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: 1782 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA *** 4 Moses Liddell b: Aft. 1757 **** 5 Iasbella Liddell b: Aft. 1772 ********* +McAlpine b: Aft. 1772 ****** 6 James McAlpine * 3 Elizabeth Liddell b: 1744 in Talbot Co, MD, USA (or New Castle Co, DE, USA) d: Bet. 1808 - 1840 in Jackson Co, TN, USA Source: Ashworth Genealogical Library ***** +Daniel Keith b: 1740 in SC (or Franklin Co, TN), USA m: Abt. 1755 d: 1819 in Franklin Co, TN, USA Source: http://www.gencircles.com/users/strickland/1/data/48 *** 4 [4] Ruth Keith b: March 25, 1762 ******* +[3] William Liddell b: March 10, 1762 in Annapolis, MD, USA m: February 03, 1784 d: August 23, 1836 in Gwinnet Co, GA, USA **** 5 Elizabeth Liddell b: Aft. 1784 **** 5 Mary Liddell b: Aft. 1784 **** 5 Rachel Liddell b: Aft. 1784 **** 5 [2] Daniel Liddell b: Aft. 1784 ********* +[1] Isabella Jane Liddell b: January 18, 1792 in Pendleton District, SC, USA m: February 23, 1808 in Pendleton District, SC, USA d: August 11, 1875 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA r: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA Residence: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA ****** 6 Moses Wilkerson Liddell b: December 06, 1808 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA ********** +Elizabeth Clower b: Aft. 1800 m: December 19, 1839 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA ******** 7 Martha Liddell b: Aft. 1839 ************ +Joseph Williams b: Aft. 1839 ********* 8 Elizabeth Loisiana Williams ****** 6 William Frank Liddell b: November 10, 1810 in Pendleton District, SC, USA ****** 6 James McAlpine Liddell b: December 08, 1812 ****** 6 Elizabeth Ann Liddell b: November 28, 1814 ****** 6 Ruth Ann Liddell b: April 18, 1818 ****** 6 Thomas Haney Liddell b: January 03, 1820 in GA, USA ****** 6 William Coatsworth Pinkney Liddell b: July 07, 1822 d: February 19, 1877 in Gadsden, Etowah Co, AL, USA Source: http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?query=Gadsden%2C+AL+county ****** 6 Daniel Wilson Liddell II b: November 17, 1825 d: January 06, 1851 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA ****** 6 Isabella Jane Liddell b: May 02, 1831 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA d: March 25, 1921 in Atlanta, Fulton Co, GA, USA ****** 6 James McAlpine Liddell II b: July 15, 1833 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA d: September 09, 1915 in Atlanta, Fulton Co, GA, USA *** 4 Nancy Keith b: September 19, 1766 in Dewitt Co, IL, USA d: March 19, 1836 in Waynesville, DeWitt Co, IL, USA *** 4 Andrew J Keith b: Abt. 1776 in SC, USA d: July 1854 in Giles Co, TN, USA Comment: July 1854 died intestate---Giles County Chancery Court. Woodruff Files H-L, Vol. II. Occupation: farmer Source: http://www.gencircles.com/users/strickland/1/data/27 Occupation: farmer ******* +Catherine Elizabeth Leonard b: Abt. 1782 in SC, USA * 3 Ruth Liddell b: Abt. 1746 in Abbeville, SC, USA (or Maryland) d: Bet. 1821 - 1858 * 3 Jerrat "Garret" Liddell b: Abt. 1747 d: Bef. April 1785 ***** +Ellender b: Abt. 1750 * 3 George "George Lidell" Liddell b: 1754 in New Castle, MD, USA d: December 28, 1789 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA ***** +Rachel Thompson m: in ,,South Carolina * *2nd Wife of George "George Lidell" Liddell: ***** +Rachael Lucenda Thompson b: July 19, 1765 m: Bet. 1774 - 1784 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: October 19, 1836 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA *** 4 James Liddell b: 1784 *** 4 George Washington Liddell b: November 06, 1787 in SC, USA d: June 13, 1861 * 3 Moses Liddell b: October 04, 1755 in New Castle Co, MD, USA d: August 02, 1802 in Pendleton Dist, Abbeville Co, SC, USA ***** +Elizabeth Johnston b: April 17, 1764 in PA, USA m: September 16, 1784 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: November 04, 1853 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA *** 4 Elizabeth Liddell b: May 15, 1785 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: in of, Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA *** 4 Moses Liddell b: October 13, 1786 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: in of, Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA *** 4 James Liddell b: June 25, 1787 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: August 04, 1859 in Carroll Co, MS, USA r: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA Source: http://www.gencircles.com/users/emalc/1/data/164 Residence: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA ******* +Nancy Hemphill b: Abt. 1790 in (96th District) Abbeville Co, SC, USA m: 1810 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA *** 4 Esther Liddell b: February 22, 1790 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: in (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA *** 4 [1] Isabella Jane Liddell b: January 18, 1792 in Pendleton District, SC, USA d: August 11, 1875 in Gwinnett Co, GA, USA r: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA Residence: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA ******* +[2] Daniel Liddell b: Aft. 1784 m: February 23, 1808 in Pendleton District, SC, USA *** 4 Caroline Jane "Jean" Liddell b: September 18, 1794 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA d: November 07, 1861 in Monroe Co, AL, USA r: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA Residence: (of) Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA * 3 Ellener Liddell b: 1757 in Abbeville, SC, USA * 3 Ruth Liddell b: 1764 ***** +James Martin * 3 Andrew Liddell b: 1750 in New Castle, Delaware, USA d: April 08, 1833 in Anderson Co, SC, USA *** 4 Andrew Liddell b: October 02, 1780 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland d: Abt. 1843 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland AFN: 243Z-LNV ******* +Henrietta Adam b: Bef. 1795 m: August 27, 1807 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland AFN: 2440-6RJ ***** +Jane Johnson b: Abt. 1750 in ,,Pa., USA d: December 02, 1796 in Pendleton district, SC., USA *** 4 John Liddell b: 1774 in Pendleton district, S.C., USA d: Bef. 1840 ******* +Esther Dowdle b: Abt. 1781 in Camden district, S.C., USA d: October 04, 1858 in Troy, Pike, Al., USA **** 5 Eleb M. Liddell b: 1817 d: 1880 ********* +Catherine Avery b: 1827 d: 1880 ****** 6 Samuel Henry Eli Liddell b: October 24, 1860 in ,Winston, Ms., USA d: November 29, 1924 in San Angelo, Tx., USA ********** +Mattie Elizabeth Morris b: February 08, 1872 in Sedalia, Pettis, Mo., USA d: May 09, 1948 ******** 7 William Monroe Liddell b: February 16, 1898 in Rockwood, Coleman, Tx., USA d: October 05, 1972 in Houston, Tx., USA ************ +Mabel Eva Johnson b: January 11, 1905 in Reeds Springs, Mo., USA ********* 8 William Monroe Liddell b: November 12, 1923 in San Angelo, Tx., USA d: September 20, 1978 in Houston, Tx., USA ************** +Evelyn Geraldine POWER b: xxxxxxxx in El Campo, Tx., USA *********** 9 Living LIDDELL *************** +Living HUCKESTEIN ************* 10 Living LIDDELL ************* 10 Living LIDDELL ************* 10 Living LIDDELL ************* 10 Living LIDDELL-VANCE * *2nd Wife of Andrew Liddell: ***** +Jean Johnston b: Abt. 1755 in of, Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA m: Abt. 1773 d: December 02, 1796 *** 4 John Liddell b: October 15, 1774 *** 4 Jane Liddell b: 1777 d: November 05, 1843 ******* +Joab Mauldin b: Abt. 1770 m: July 1796 d: Abt. 1818 *** 4 Andrew Johnston Liddell b: January 30, 1781 d: March 20, 1849 ******* +Mary Miller b: Abt. 1785 d: 1858 *** 4 George Liddell b: March 05, 1783 d: in Vinton, Mississippi, USA ******* +Jane or Jean Dobbins b: Abt. 1785 in of, Anderson Co, South Carolina, USA m: Bef. March 1813 *** 4 Moses John Liddell b: March 05, 1785 d: June 13, 1856 in Hot Springs, Arkansas, USA ******* +Bethia Frances Richardson b: Abt. 1790 m: October 20, 1814 *** *2nd Wife of Moses John Liddell: ******* +Ann Morris b: Abt. 1800 m: April 17, 1828 in Natchez, Mississippi, USA *** 4 Francis Liddell b: March 25, 1787 d: Aft. 1810 *** 4 Jarrett Liddell b: March 29, 1789 d: September 19, 1815 *** 4 James Simpson Liddell b: May 22, 1791 d: August 1868 in of, Mississippi, USA ******* +Jane Rosemond b: Abt. 1798 m: April 15, 1818 *** 4 Elizabeth Liddell b: January 18, 1794 ******* +John Miller b: Bef. 1800 m: Bef. 1820 *** 4 Mary M. Liddell b: November 29, 1796 ******* +William or Willis McGee b: Abt. 1793 m: Bef. 1820 * *3rd Wife of Andrew Liddell: ***** +Mrs Jane Gordon b: Abt. 1760 m: 1806 2 Moses Liddell b: 1722 d: Aft. 1768 in (of) Abbeville District, SC, USA 2 Thomas Liddell b: Abt. 1715 in Scotland d: 1798 in Abbeville Co, SC, USA 2 John Liddell b: 1720 d: May 06, 1846 in Abbeville District, SC r: 1800 Oconee Co, SC Residence: 1800 Oconee Co, SC *** +Rachel b: Bet. 1720 - 1725 m: in New Castle Co, DE, USA d: Aft. 1790 in Probably SC * 3 [3] William Liddell b: March 10, 1762 in Annapolis, MD, USA d: August 23, 1836 in Gwinnet Co, GA, USA ***** +[4] Ruth Keith b: March 25, 1762 m: February 03, 1784

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wardlaw, Liddell, Hackett, Cook, McDaniel, Ellian, Tellalian Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/139.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Catherine! I knew she had four other children with Charles. Interesting to see that Charles took the boys, Francis and Paul as his own. When they came of age, they did go back to using Wardlaw as their last name. Although, it could be listed that way just in the census...maybe the census taker was lazy!

If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestry.com, you should know of the change about to be implemented by them. The Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free distribution to other researchers are about to be sold by subscription: the OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. If you'd prefer that your information was not sold, there is a link below which will take you to a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. After clicking on the link and arriving at the page, click on "What's a preview?" near the top of the page. Read thoroughly and then click on "View our checklist" (which appears on #3). Among other things, you will see the following sentence: "If for any reason you do not want your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you must delete it from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May 21, 2004." This is the link: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ Since this will be of no interest to the folks on the list who don't have trees at Ancestry, please direct any discussion or questions to me at: [email protected] Nancy, List Admin. Visit the folks! www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

Post some of the information you have on your grandparents and their children. Names, dates and places. With this information someone out there might be able to help you with the next generation or so. Good Luck Holly --- [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: lidell > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2.2 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Jim, > > I'm Louise Lidell and am looking for some basic Lidell info. I can > only go back to my grandfather, so you see how much of a novice I am. > But somewhere in this board I read that there is already so much that > is documented, hopefully I don't need to reinvent the wheel. Can you > point me in the right direction? > Louise > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: lidell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Hello Jim, I'm Louise Lidell and am looking for some basic Lidell info. I can only go back to my grandfather, so you see how much of a novice I am. But somewhere in this board I read that there is already so much that is documented, hopefully I don't need to reinvent the wheel. Can you point me in the right direction? Louise

BURIED VETERANS' RECORDS NOW AVAILABLE ON WEB By Suzanne Gamboa The Associated Press WASHINGTON - VA has made it easier and faster for the public to get answers about family history, old war buddies or famous war heroes. The agency put on the Web 3.2 million records for veterans buried at 120 national cemeteries since the Civil War. The VA's Nationwide Gravesite Locator, at http://www.cem.va.gov, also has records for some state veterans cemeteries and burials in Arlington National Cemetery since 1999. Joe Nosari, VA's deputy chief information officer for Memorial Affairs, said the records used to be on paper and microfilm. Private companies have put some of the information online and charged for it, but the VA information is free, he said. The VA's gravesite navigator includes names, dates of birth and death, military service dates, service branch and rank if known, cemetery information and grave location in the cemetery. The VA will withhold some information, such as next of kin, for privacy purposes. The site will be updated daily. Annually, about 80,000 veterans are buried at national cemeteries. The VA also hopes to add records for veterans whose families requested grave markers from the VA. Those markers may go to private cemeteries or cemeteries overseas. --- On the Net: VA Nationwide Gravesite Locator: http://www.cem.va.gov AP-WS-04-12-04 1916EDT

Most of you are familiar with the UK Census Project, but I notice that many more transcriptions have been added lately. The link at the bottom is to a page with a tool called a Family Data Sheet Estimator. It's based on mathematical models of genealogical records dating back to 1400. These are just estimates and things 'out of the norm' will throw it off. For instance, I was born late in my parents' lives, so when I did a make-up on my mother, her 'first child estimated date' was 16 years before my actual birth; but it was almost scary to see how close it came to my parents' other info and on back to previous generations! Nancy P.S. For the Scots among you, there's a link to my Tartan Day page; I forgot to post it yesterday.....a belated happy Tartan Day!! :-) FreeCEN --- Scotland: http://www.users.waitrose.com/~census/ FreeCEN UK Census Returns http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ This page includes info about their other two projects: FreeBMD: GRO (Civil Registration) birth, marriage & death indexes. FreeREG: baptism, marriage & burial records, from parish church registers. http://freeukgen.rootsweb.com/ FAMILY ESTIMATOR (scroll down) http://www.ukcs.net/genes/ TARTAN DAY: www.thepastwhispers.com/Tartan_Day Baldridge, Cain, Courtney, Curtis, Carmichael, Dawkins, Doty, Garmon, Garrett, Hanon, Jackson, McCormick, Matthews, Osborne, Sharp, Stampley, Stringer, Turrentine, Warren; of: Mayflower/Plymouth Colony; NJ; VA; PA; IL; NC; SC; GA; MS; TX.......Visit the folks: www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 ~ & ~ www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lydall, Lydel, Lydell, Liddle, Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/178.2.2.2 Message Board Post: Hi, Dale-- For some reason, I was not notified of your posting by A.C. but I'm getting awfully interested in these rouge Liddells of the far north. Marrying to get there? Either that or escaping the religious turmult associated with Scotland at several times. Right now, I'm flat of my back because of this nearly four-day-long nonservice by Yahoo for half or more of each day. Don't know what is happening, luckily I have downloaded nearly all my files there. They reported are profitable, so??? PLEASE GO LOOK AT the Scotland article in the 1911Encylopedia posting. A good site to get to this is www.landmark-project.com. This is the Encylopedia Britannica--and the 1991 edition is supposed to be the best encyl ever produced. The Scotland article is nearly 40 small-type pages long but if you will pick up about where Wm de Soulis come back to Scotland in a "filibustering raid" and read forward, you will see his allies, John Baliol, what happened and then the religious war that followed. They almost won but didn't and a group of Presbyterians on the losing side had to flee to Ulster. They then returned during the time of Bonnie Prince C and lost again and had to flee again. There is also a huge history of how the Presby Church literally left the Catholic, even claimed the Keys to the Kingdom. That one article contains nearly everything we need to explain what happened to the Liddells and the beginning of a link up with the de Soulis family. Sorry for writing you here but I can't get into Yahoo for email for the second day in a row. Jim Liddell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Wardlaw, Flowers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/139.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Here she is in 1880 with new husband Charles and two more children. Charles claims Francis and Paul as his sons. Gwinnett Co., GA, 1880 census, June 4, SD 1, ED 117, page 7, family 67 Flowers, Charles, W M 26, m'd, farmer, GA SC GA ", Mary I., W F 35, wife, m'd, keeping house, GA GA GA ", Francis M., W M 13, son, s at school GA GA GA ", Paul, W M 11, son, s at school, GA GA GA ", Carrie, W F 4, daughter, s, GA GA GA ", Everett, W M 3/12, Feb., son, s , GA GA GA