This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YQw.2ACEB/20.23.32.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Thanks for the information. I believe my mom has all of this and possibly more. I can talk with and see what she does have on Allens. I had found some of the web sites that you indicated, but some of them I have not been to as of yet. Thanks. I don't know if you had gone to the Lidell reunion at Schuyler Lake or not, but my mom was there and had met Kathy Lidell, plus she has met Jana too. I will let you know what my mom has in her records as soon as I can talk with her and show her what you have. Thanks a lot. Missy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lydell, Connick, Herkimer, Coe, Allen, Burnell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/20.23.32.2 Message Board Post: H Heather Well, I can't get you back any farther..., but here is a good start forward with some references. Good luck on the Longeaton search! If you find anything let me know. Descendants of William Lydle Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 LYDLE was born 1752 in LongEaton, Derbyshire, England, and died May 28, 1830 in Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married ASENETH BILL 1794 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, daughter of DANIEL BILL and SARAH ALLEN. She was born 1772 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died 1859 in Otsego Co, NY, USA. More About WILLIAM LYDLE: Burial: May 28, 1830, Schuyler Lake Cemetery, Schuyler Lake, Otsego Co, NY, USA Name 1: William Lidell Residence: 1810, Census Otsego Co NYS (1965) shows Liddle, Wm. with hh of 3 young boy, 1 young girl and a wife Source 1: http://cerebus.darmouth.edu/genealogy/ps01/ps01_226.html Will d.: April 04, 1826, Will dated name: Lidall, William of Exeter. Will p.: June 28, 1830, Will probated---mentions wife, 4 sons & 2 daughters by name. Sur. Ct. Liber 1 page 18. More About ASENETH BILL: Born 1: Bet. 1770 - 1772, CT or Otsego Co., NY, USA Burial: 1859, Schuyler Lake Cemetery, Schuyler Lake, Otsego Co, NY, USA Died 1: 1859, Otsego Co., NY, USA Source 1: IGI-NA/LDS Source 2: (probably)NY Pedigrees N403 http://www.nygbs.org Source 3: http://cerebus.darmouth.edu/genealogy/ps01/ps01_226.html More About WILLIAM LYDLE and ASENETH BILL: Marriage 1: 1794, Otsego Co, NY, USA Marriage 2: Bef. 1794, Otsego, NY, USA Marriage 3: Abt. 1794, NY Source: IGI-NA/LDS Children of WILLIAM LYDLE and ASENETH BILL are: 2. i. ALLEN2 LYDELL, b. October 11, 1793, Otsego Co, NY, USA. ii. ASENATH LYDELL, b. 1800; m. ? HARTSON. 3. iii. JONAS ALLEN LYDELL, b. October 02, 1808, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. September 30, 1893, Otsego Co, NY, USA. 4. iv. SIMEON LIDDELL, b. Abt. 1795; d. Aft. 1850, (probably) Courtland Co, NY, USA. 5. v. LUTHER LYDLE, b. January 01, 1798, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. 1859, Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA. 6. vi. ORILLA LYDELL, b. August 19, 1802, Otsego Co, NY, USA. Generation No. 2 2. ALLEN2 LYDELL (WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born October 11, 1793 in Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married (1) MRS LOUISA LYDELL. She was born Abt. 1793. He married (2) MRS MRS ALLEN LYDELL. She was born Bet. 1790 - 1800. He married (3) LOUISA. Children of ALLEN LYDELL and MRS LYDELL are: i. GEORGE3 LYDELL, b. 1827; m. JULIA; b. Bet. 1820 - 1835. ii. ALMIRA LYDELL, b. 1830. iii. DIN LYDELL, b. 1834. Child of ALLEN LYDELL and LOUISA is: iv. ORIN3 LYDELL, b. 1834. 3. JONAS ALLEN2 LYDELL (WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born October 02, 1808 in Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died September 30, 1893 in Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married DELIA HERKIMER 1828 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, daughter of HENRY HERKIMER and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN. She was born September 01, 1809, and died February 24, 1887 in Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA. More About JONAS ALLEN LYDELL: Burial: September 30, 1893, Schuyler Lake, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA Source 1: IGI-NA/LDS Source 2: http://cerebus.darmouth.edu/genealogy/ps01/ps01_226.html More About DELIA HERKIMER: Burial: Schuyler Lake, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA Source 1: IGI-NA/LDS More About JONAS LYDELL and DELIA HERKIMER: Marriage: 1828, Otsego Co, NY, USA Children of JONAS LYDELL and DELIA HERKIMER are: i. LUCENA3 LYDELL, b. December 14, 1829, Kendall, NY, USA; d. January 10, 1892, Ilion, German Flatts Township, Herkimer Co, NY, USA; m. DELEVAN TAFT; b. Bet. 1820 - 1835; d. January 10, 1892. More About LUCENA LYDELL: Burial: January 10, 1892, Ilion, German Flatts Township, Herkimer Co, NY, USA ii. WILLIAM HENRY LYDELL, b. October 25, 1831, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. December 15, 1832. More About WILLIAM HENRY LYDELL: Burial: Schuyler Lake, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA iii. KATHERINE LYDELL, b. June 23, 1833, Otsego Co, NY, USA; m. DANIEL WOODBURY; b. Bet. 1825 - 1835. More About KATHERINE LYDELL: Source 1: IGI-NA/LDS iv. MARY ANN LYDELL, b. April 13, 1835, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. August 04, 1904; m. (1) REYNOLDS HULL; b. Bet. 1830 - 1840, Chicago, Cook Co, IL, USA; m. (2) F PURDY; b. Bet. 1830 - 1840, England. More About MARY ANN LYDELL: Source 1: IGI-NA/LDS Source 2: http://cerebus.darmouth.edu/genealogy/ps01/ps01_226.html 7. v. BURTON WILLIS LYDELL, b. November 29, 1836, NY, USA; d. December 12, 1906, (of) Otsego Co, NY, USA. vi. DAMON LYDELL, b. July 23, 1838; d. October 1944. More About DAMON LYDELL: Comment 1: October 1944, Killed by a runaway ox team 8. vii. JOHN HENRY LYDELL, b. March 26, 1840; d. 1925. viii. WILLIAM LYDELL, b. December 14, 1841; d. April 12, 1893, Napa, CA, USA. More About WILLIAM LYDELL: Immigration: Moved west and ran a hotel Residence: In Chicago until hops business failed ix. CLARA LYDELL, b. July 25, 1846; m. MONROE HYDE; b. Bet. 1840 - 1850. More About CLARA LYDELL: Residence: Lived in Monicello, NY, USA x. JONAS HERBERT LYDELL, b. May 19, 1851; d. March 12, 1868. More About JONAS HERBERT LYDELL: Comment 1: March 12, 1868, Died attending Fairfield Seminary 4. SIMEON2 LIDDELL (WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born Abt. 1795, and died Aft. 1850 in (probably) Courtland Co, NY, USA. He married RUBY ALLEN Bet. 1815 - 1835 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, daughter of ELIAS ALLEN and WEALTHY BILL. She was born Abt. 1795 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died Aft. 1850 in (probably) Courtland Co, NY, USA. More About SIMEON LIDDELL: Emigration: Otsego Co, NY, USA to Cortland, NY, USA Removed First: settled near Cortland NY More About RUBY ALLEN: Removed First: settled near Cortland NY More About SIMEON LIDDELL and RUBY ALLEN: Marriage: Bet. 1815 - 1835, Otsego Co, NY, USA Children of SIMEON LIDDELL and RUBY ALLEN are: 9. i. LERANCE3 LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. ii. LYSANDER LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. iii. HANNAH LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. iv. LAVARNA I LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. v. EUGENE LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. vi. LAVELLA LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835. 10. vii. LORINDA LYDELL, b. Bet. 1815 - 1835; d. 1905, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. viii. WEATHY LYDELL, b. 1829, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. (probably)Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. More About WEATHY LYDELL: Comment 1: 1880, lived with brother Levarnn Lydell Occupation: Keeping House Residence: 1880, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA (Census) Source 1: Family History Library Film 1254822 NA Film Number T9-0822 Page Number 226B 11. ix. LUCENDA LYDELL, b. 1830; d. February 03, 1913, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. 5. LUTHER2 LYDLE (WILLIAM1) was born January 01, 1798 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died 1859 in Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA. He married (1) BETSEY CONNNICK June 15, 1819 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, daughter of JOHN MCCONNICK and ABIGAIL HARTSON. She was born July 19, 1797 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died March 06, 1830 in Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married (2) MARY HITCHCOCK Abt. 1838. She was born Bet. 1790 - 1810, and died 1859 in Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA. More About LUTHER LYDLE: Removed First: Abt. 1830, Lot 59 in the town of Poland, Chau Co NY More About BETSEY CONNNICK: Burial: Schuyler Lake Cemetery, Schuyler Lake, Otsego Co, NY, USA More About LUTHER LYDLE and BETSEY CONNNICK: Marriage: June 15, 1819, Otsego Co, NY, USA More About LUTHER LYDLE and MARY HITCHCOCK: Marriage: Abt. 1838 Children of LUTHER LYDLE and BETSEY CONNNICK are: i. GIRL3 LYDELL, b. Bet. 1810 - 1815. 12. ii. LUCIUS LYDELL, b. Bet. October 06, 1818 - 1819, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. 1859, Otsego Co, NY, USA (probably confused with father). 13. iii. WILLIAM LYDELL, b. May 03, 1821, Otsego Co, NY, USA; d. November 06, 1882, Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA. iv. MARIA LYDELL, b. 1823, Otsego Co, NY, USA; m. JAMES WILSON; b. Bet. 1820 - 1830. More About MARIA LYDELL: Residence: Lot 52 in the town of Poland, Chau Co NY v. DEISLER LYDELL, b. Bet. April 1825 - 1827; d. Bet. October 1827 - 1829. More About DEISLER LYDELL: Burial: Schuyler Lake Cemetery vi. BOY LYDELL, b. Bet. 1825 - 1830. vii. LUTHER LYDELL II, b. April 20, 1838, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. August 11, 1918; m. HELEN BUNCE; b. February 24, 1836, St Lawrence, NY, USA; d. January 09, 1910, Poland Centre, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA. More About LUTHER LYDELL II: Residence 1: Stayed on homestead with mother Residence 2: Of St Lawrence, New York viii. ASENETH LYDELL, b. 1846, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. 6. ORILLA2 LYDELL (WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born August 19, 1802 in Otsego Co, NY, USA. She married DAVID MCCONNICK Bet. 1822 - 1842, son of JOHN MCCONNICK and ABIGAIL HARTSON. He was born Abt. 1793. More About DAVID MCCONNICK and ORILLA LYDELL: Marriage: Bet. 1822 - 1842 Children of ORILLA LYDELL and DAVID MCCONNICK are: i. MARY3 MCCONNICK, b. Bet. 1822 - 1842; m. DWIGHT HEARING; b. Bet. 1822 - 1842. 14. ii. DWIGHT LIDDELL MCCONNICK, b. December 19, 1828, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA. Generation No. 3 7. BURTON WILLIS3 LYDELL (JONAS ALLEN2, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born November 29, 1836 in NY, USA, and died December 12, 1906 in (of) Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married LUCRETIA SABINA TILDEN. She was born November 29, 1836 in New York, and died December 12, 1906 in New York. More About BURTON WILLIS LYDELL: Burial: Schuyler Lake, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA Occupation: Dairyman & Hop grower Residence: Lived on Jonas's homestead Source: http://cerebus.darmouth.edu/genealogy/ps01/ps01_226.html More About LUCRETIA SABINA TILDEN: Burial: Schuyler Lake, Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA Children of BURTON LYDELL and LUCRETIA TILDEN are: i. GEORGE T.4 LIDELL, b. Bet. 1849 - 1869. ii. ARTHUR BURTON LIDELL, b. 1864. 15. iii. GRACE AURELIA LIDELL, b. March 19, 1866; d. July 18, 1953, Schuyler Lake, NY. 8. JOHN HENRY3 LYDELL (JONAS ALLEN2, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born March 26, 1840, and died 1925. He married MARY WRIGHT Bet. 1860 - 1880. She was born Bet. 1820 - 1845, and died 1925 in FL, USA. More About MARY WRIGHT: Comment 1: Abt. December 1925, Doed while wintering in FL More About JOHN LYDELL and MARY WRIGHT: Marriage: Bet. 1860 - 1880 Child of JOHN LYDELL and MARY WRIGHT is: i. BURTON4 LYDELL, b. Bet. 1860 - 1880. More About BURTON LYDELL: Residence: Lived at original Liddell homestead @ Liddell Corners 9. LERANCE3 LYDELL (SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born Bet. 1815 - 1835. He married MARY REGAN. She was born Bet. 1815 - 1835. Children of LERANCE LYDELL and MARY REGAN are: 16. i. ALLEN4 LYDELL, b. 1852; d. 1926, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. 17. ii. IDA LYDELL, b. 1859; d. 1934, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY. 10. LORINDA3 LYDELL (SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born Bet. 1815 - 1835, and died 1905 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. She married IRA FOX. He was born 1822, and died 1894 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. More About LORINDA LYDELL: Burial: Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA More About IRA FOX: Burial: Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA Children of LORINDA LYDELL and IRA FOX are: i. EUGENE4 FOX, b. 1850, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY; d. 1944; m. ANNA BELL ABRAMS; b. Abt. 1850. ii. LIBBY FOX, b. 1863; m. ALBERT COOK; b. Abt. 1863. 11. LUCENDA3 LYDELL (SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born 1830, and died February 03, 1913 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. She married AMBROSE ALLEN, son of ITHABOD ALLEN and HANNAH JACKSON. He was born Bet. 1815 - 1835. More About AMBROSE ALLEN: Burial: Buried in Truxton Children of LUCENDA LYDELL and AMBROSE ALLEN are: i. HANNAH4 ALLEN, b. Bet. 1835 - 1855. ii. ADDIE ALLEN, b. Bet. 1835 - 1855. 18. iii. RUBY MAE ALLEN, b. 1851; d. March 20, 1926, Cincinnatus, Cortland Co, NY. 12. LUCIUS3 LYDELL (LUTHER2 LYDLE, WILLIAM1) was born Bet. October 06, 1818 - 1819 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died 1859 in Otsego Co, NY, USA (probably confused with father). He married SOPHRONIA BURNELL in Otsego Co, NY, USA, daughter of JOEL BURNELL and ELECTA KING. She was born 1813 in NY, USA, and died in (probably) Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA. More About LUCIUS LYDELL: Burial: Aft. 1880, * confer 1880 census data: (probably) Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA Occupation: Farmer Residence: Lived near father and sister Maria Source 1: Family History Library Film 1254816 NA Film Number T9-0816 Page Number 514C More About LUCIUS LYDELL and SOPHRONIA BURNELL: Marriage: Otsego Co, NY, USA Single: Otsego Co, NY, USA Child of LUCIUS LYDELL and SOPHRONIA BURNELL is: 19. i. RANSOM BURNELL4 LYDELL I, b. July 03, 1853; d. April 19, 1909, Falconer, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. 13. WILLIAM3 LYDELL (LUTHER2 LYDLE, WILLIAM1) was born May 03, 1821 in Otsego Co, NY, USA, and died November 06, 1882 in Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA. He married EMILY COE June 04, 1845 in Ashville, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA, daughter of CYRUS COE and ELSIE FENTON. She was born July 12, 1829 in Chautaqua Co, NY, USA, and died May 30, 1918 in Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA. More About WILLIAM LYDELL: Burial: Parkhill Cemetery, Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA Comment 1: June 04, 1845, Married by Rev T D Blin in Ashville, NY Comment 2: 1845, Listed as residing in Jamestown, NY Emigration: Went out West More About EMILY COE: Burial: Parkhill Cemetery, Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA More About WILLIAM LYDELL and EMILY COE: Marriage: June 04, 1845, Ashville, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA Children of WILLIAM LYDELL and EMILY COE are: i. LESTER4 LYDELL, b. 1848, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; m. MRS LESTER LYDELL MRS MARTHA J LYDELL, 1880, Mecosta Co, MI, USA; b. Bet. 1850 - 1860. More About LESTER LYDELL and MRS LYDELL: Marriage: 1880, Mecosta Co, MI, USA ii. HORACE LYDELL, b. 1849, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. iii. JASON LYDELL, b. 1851, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. 1928; m. MRS JASON LYDELL MRS EDDIE LYDELL; b. Bet. 1845 - 1855. More About JASON LYDELL: Burial: Parkhill Cemetery, Green Township, Mecosta Co, MI, USA iv. FRANK LYDELL, b. September 03, 1856, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. November 29, 1942, Traverse City, MI, USA; m. EMMA ELNORA BROWN, December 22, 1882, Reed City, Osceola Co, MI, USA; b. Bet. 1850 - 1860. More About FRANK LYDELL and EMMA BROWN: Marriage: December 22, 1882, Reed City, Osceola Co, MI, USA v. WILLIAM LYDELL, b. 1860, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. vi. DWIGHT LYDELL, b. September 26, 1861, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. February 08, 1927, Comstock Park, Kent Co, MI, USA; m. (1) MRS MRS DWIGHT LYDELL; b. Bet. 1855 - 1865; m. (2) EVA J WOOD, December 29, 1888, Mecosta Co, MI, USA; b. Bet. 1855 - 1865. More About DWIGHT LYDELL and EVA WOOD: Marriage: December 29, 1888, Mecosta Co, MI, USA vii. JAMES LYDELL, b. 1864, NY, USA; d. Aft. 1927; m. FLORA BELL JOSLIN, June 16, 1886, Mecosta Co, MI, USA; b. Bet. 1860 - 1870. More About JAMES LYDELL and FLORA JOSLIN: Marriage: June 16, 1886, Mecosta Co, MI, USA viii. FLORENCE LYDELL, b. 1868, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. Aft. 1927; m. PHILIP G ZALSMAN, July 01, 1886, Mecosta Co, MI, USA; b. Bet. 1860 - 1870. More About PHILIP ZALSMAN and FLORENCE LYDELL: Marriage: July 01, 1886, Mecosta Co, MI, USA 14. DWIGHT LIDDELL3 MCCONNICK (ORILLA2 LYDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born December 19, 1828 in Exeter, Otsego Co, NY, USA. He married CAROLINE E. CLARK. She was born June 27, 1829 in Burlington, Otsego Co, NY, USA. Child of DWIGHT MCCONNICK and CAROLINE CLARK is: 20. i. CAROLINE ORILLA4 MCCONNICK, b. October 03, 1858, Davis Corners, Adams Co, WI, USA. Generation No. 4 15. GRACE AURELIA4 LIDELL (BURTON WILLIS3 LYDELL, JONAS ALLEN2, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born March 19, 1866, and died July 18, 1953 in Schuyler Lake, NY. She married FREDERICK BRONNER November 30, 1892 in Schuyler Lake, NY. He was born August 02, 1870 in Richfield Springs, Otsego, NY, and died August 22, 1941 in Cooperstown, NY. More About GRACE AURELIA LIDELL: Burial: Richfield Springs, Otsego, NY More About FREDERICK BRONNER: Burial: Richfield Springs, Otsego, NY More About FREDERICK BRONNER and GRACE LIDELL: Marriage: November 30, 1892, Schuyler Lake, NY Children of GRACE LIDELL and FREDERICK BRONNER are: i. BERNICE SABINA5 BRONNER, b. 1897. ii. DR. FREDERICK LIDELL BRONNER, b. February 02, 1901, Richfield Springs, Otsego, NY; d. January 12, 1986, Morton Grove, Cook, IL; m. JULIA EMMA VOORHEES; b. January 21, 1900; d. February 02, 1983, Winston- Salem, Forsyth, NC. More About DR. FREDERICK LIDELL BRONNER: Burial: Schenectady, Albany, NY More About JULIA EMMA VOORHEES: Burial: Schenectady, Albany, NY 16. ALLEN4 LYDELL (LERANCE3, SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born 1852, and died 1926 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. He married MARY KINGSLEY, daughter of JOSEPH KINGSLEY and MARY MATTERSON. She was born 1862, and died April 04, 1924 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA. More About ALLEN LYDELL: Burial: 1926, Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA More About MARY KINGSLEY: Burial: April 04, 1924, Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY, USA Children of ALLEN LYDELL and MARY KINGSLEY are: i. FLOSSIE5 LYDELL, b. 1892. ii. WALTER LYDELL, b. 1894. 17. IDA4 LYDELL (LERANCE3, SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born 1859, and died 1934 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY. She married SAMUEL MCKEE. He was born Abt. 1859. More About IDA LYDELL: Burial: Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY Child of IDA LYDELL and SAMUEL MCKEE is: 21. i. HAROLD J5 MCKEE, b. 1890; d. 1949, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY. 18. RUBY MAE4 ALLEN (LUCENDA3 LYDELL, SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born 1851, and died March 20, 1926 in Cincinnatus, Cortland Co, NY. She met TRUMAN WALLACE STURDEVANT 1875 in Cincinnatus, Cortland Co, NY, USA. He was born 1850. More About TRUMAN STURDEVANT and RUBY ALLEN: Single: 1875, Cincinnatus, Cortland Co, NY, USA Children of RUBY ALLEN and TRUMAN STURDEVANT are: i. FRANK5 STURDEVANT, b. 1874. ii. CARRIE STURDEVANT, b. Bet. 1874 - 1894. iii. ANNIE STURDEVANT, b. 1877. iv. MAUD STURDEVANT, b. 1880. v. VERN WALLACE STURDEVANT, b. October 29, 1886. vi. CHARLES STURDEVANT, b. September 16, 1888. vii. ERMA ADDIE STURDEVANT, b. March 18, 1893. 19. RANSOM BURNELL4 LYDELL I (LUCIUS3, LUTHER2 LYDLE, WILLIAM1) was born July 03, 1853, and died April 19, 1909 in Falconer, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. He met MINA JANE COVEY August 21, 1877, daughter of HARRISON COVEY and MARY WAMPLE. She was born July 27, 1854 in Westfield, Chautauqua Co, NY, USA, and died April 23, 1909 in Falconer, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. More About RANSOM BURNELL LYDELL I: Namesake: Uncle Ransom Burnell More About RANSOM LYDELL and MINA COVEY: Marriage: August 21, 1877 Single: August 21, 1877 Children of RANSOM LYDELL and MINA COVEY are: 22. i. RANSOM BURNELL5 LYDELL II, b. Bet. June 10, 1889 - 1890; d. Bet. 1928 - 1929, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. ii. FRANCIS LYDELL, b. Abt. 1878. iii. ELLA LYDELL, b. Abt. 1880. 20. CAROLINE ORILLA4 MCCONNICK (DWIGHT LIDDELL3, ORILLA2 LYDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born October 03, 1858 in Davis Corners, Adams Co, WI, USA. She married CHARLES L. SNYDER, son of ALFRED SNYDER and JANE WHIPPLE. He was born 1859 in WI, USA, and died 1937 in WI, USA. Child of CAROLINE MCCONNICK and CHARLES SNYDER is: 23. i. ALFORD WAYNE5 SNYDER, b. July 15, 1892. Generation No. 5 21. HAROLD J5 MCKEE (IDA4 LYDELL, LERANCE3, SIMEON2 LIDDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born 1890, and died 1949 in Taylor, Cortland Co, NY. He married MISS FOX Bet. 1903 - 1930. She was born Abt. 1890. More About HAROLD J MCKEE: Burial: Taylor Rural Cemetry, Taylor, Cortland Co, NY More About HAROLD MCKEE and MISS FOX: Marriage: Bet. 1903 - 1930 Child of HAROLD MCKEE and MISS FOX is: i. MR6 MCKEE, b. Bet. 1903 - 1930. 22. RANSOM BURNELL5 LYDELL II (RANSOM BURNELL4, LUCIUS3, LUTHER2 LYDLE, WILLIAM1) was born Bet. June 10, 1889 - 1890, and died Bet. 1928 - 1929 in Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. He married MYRTLE JANE MCCAIN, daughter of HERVEY MCCAIN and MARTHA MCCURDY. She was born September 01, 1891 in SD, USA, and died August 15, 1924 in Falconer, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. More About RANSOM BURNELL LYDELL II: Burial: Abt. 1930 Children of RANSOM LYDELL and MYRTLE MCCAIN are: i. RANSOM BURNELL6 LYDELL III, b. May 06, 1911, Poland, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; d. September 27, 1996, Ashville, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA; m. KATHERINE ROSA SCHNECKENBURGER, August 28, 1937, East Aurora, Erie Co, NY, USA; b. January 11, 1914, Buffalo, Erie Co, NY, USA; d. May 09, 1972, Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA. More About RANSOM BURNELL LYDELL III: Born 1: May 06, 1911, Poland, Chautaqua Co., NY, USA Born 2: May 06, 1911, Poland, NY Burial: Jamestown, Chautaqua Co, NY, USA Died 1: September 27, 1996, Jamestown, Chautauqua, NY, USA Name 1: Ransom Burnell Lydell III Name 2: Ranson Burnell Lydell III Residence: Ashville, Chautauqua Co, NY USA 14710 SSN: 108-05-9049 NY (Before 1951) More About RANSOM LYDELL and KATHERINE SCHNECKENBURGER: Marriage: August 28, 1937, East Aurora, Erie Co, NY, USA Single 1: August 28, 1937, East Aurora, Erie Co, NY, USA Single 2: August 28, 1937, East Aurora, NY, USA ii. DONNA BELLE LYDELL. 23. ALFORD WAYNE5 SNYDER (CAROLINE ORILLA4 MCCONNICK, DWIGHT LIDDELL3, ORILLA2 LYDELL, WILLIAM1 LYDLE) was born July 15, 1892. He married ESTHER CHRISTINA MULARKEY. She was born September 04, 1897 in Jackson, Adams Co, WI, USA. Child of ALFORD SNYDER and ESTHER MULARKEY is: i. ROBERT WAYNE6 SNYDER, b. May 29, 1918, Ladysmith, Rusk Co, WI, USA. BTW...no one has yet to find the links in the Allen line to prove relationship to Ethan Allen. And, yes, I would be interested in anything you could add to the many branches I have been filling out for years. Tahnks.. Dale David West

Hi All If this location doesn't work out try Bowness near Lake Windermere ..... In the mid 1800's movement in the UK was at its height .... since the majority of the working class didn't own their own property nor did they have much furniture or personal effects they used to move sometimes overnight when the chance of new better well paid work was available or work became scarce. Transportation was quite good and cheap so people would move substantial distances ...... There are migration maps available showing generalised movement with dates. ALSO remember that people used to say the first place they could remember as a child as their place of birth especially on Census's, so take EVERYTHING with a pinch of salt even statutory certificates !! If it is scotland he was born then civil marriage certificates are a boon .... giving both the bride and grooms mothers maiden names and the parents date and place of marriage. Similar info is available for birth certificates. regards Bill ======================================================================== * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online at http://www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk ======================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Turner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [LIDDELL] John & Robert LIDDLE > Good Evening Sandy..... > > Sorry for my delay in reply I am preparing for my vacation which starts > tomorrow! Thank you for all your help, it is most appreciated, please see > below for my answers to you previous message > > On 8/12/04 12:01 AM, "Sandy McDougall" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Claire, > > > > I went to GENUKI and found the following regarding Bo'ness and > > Linlithgowshire (West Lothian). It seems to me that if he was > > Christened/Born in Bo'ness in 1845 and then in 1881 is showing up in > > Edinburgh it very well may be the fellow. As it shows here Edinburgh is > > only 24 miles away. Probably went there for work or something. I don't > > think though that Edinburgh and Bo'ness would be considered the same. > > Edinburgh is in a different shire/county...."Midlothian" > > RESPONSE: Sorry, I think I must have mislead you somewhere along the line. I > can place at least John LIDDELL in Wapping, East London in 1867 as this is > when and where he marries Jane PUZEY. I cannot find an 1871 census entry for > him as yet but the 1881 places him and his family in Bethnal Green, London & > then the 1891 places them in Battersea, South London. Both census images > give his place of birth as Edinburgh, Scotland. His marriage certificate > states that his father is "Robert LIDDELL" a "Dealer" from "Scotland" > > After searching the IGI the only likely candidate I could come up with was > this father/son from Bo'ness. My knowledge of Scotland is pretty poor at the > moment (disgraceful I know, sorry!) but I wondered if Bo'ness could be > considered "Edinburgh" like some of the outer boroughs of London are still > considered "Greater London"?? > > -- > Claire Turner ­ British Virgin Islands > http://www.claireturner.com/thefamilytree.html > > Researching: > BRANFILL / BRANFIELD, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY / LODEY, MACARTHY / > McCARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER > > EoL FHS #10880 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Good Evening Sandy..... Sorry for my delay in reply I am preparing for my vacation which starts tomorrow! Thank you for all your help, it is most appreciated, please see below for my answers to you previous message On 8/12/04 12:01 AM, "Sandy McDougall" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Claire, > > I went to GENUKI and found the following regarding Bo'ness and > Linlithgowshire (West Lothian). It seems to me that if he was > Christened/Born in Bo'ness in 1845 and then in 1881 is showing up in > Edinburgh it very well may be the fellow. As it shows here Edinburgh is > only 24 miles away. Probably went there for work or something. I don't > think though that Edinburgh and Bo'ness would be considered the same. > Edinburgh is in a different shire/county...."Midlothian" RESPONSE: Sorry, I think I must have mislead you somewhere along the line. I can place at least John LIDDELL in Wapping, East London in 1867 as this is when and where he marries Jane PUZEY. I cannot find an 1871 census entry for him as yet but the 1881 places him and his family in Bethnal Green, London & then the 1891 places them in Battersea, South London. Both census images give his place of birth as Edinburgh, Scotland. His marriage certificate states that his father is "Robert LIDDELL" a "Dealer" from "Scotland" After searching the IGI the only likely candidate I could come up with was this father/son from Bo'ness. My knowledge of Scotland is pretty poor at the moment (disgraceful I know, sorry!) but I wondered if Bo'ness could be considered "Edinburgh" like some of the outer boroughs of London are still considered "Greater London"?? -- Claire Turner ­ British Virgin Islands http://www.claireturner.com/thefamilytree.html Researching: BRANFILL / BRANFIELD, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY / LODEY, MACARTHY / McCARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER EoL FHS #10880

Good Evening Sandy..... I must kindly thank you for your wonderful assistance with the IGI and batch numbers, I went back and did a search for other children of Robert LIDDLE & Agnes and got quite a few hits I have what could be a silly question. On the 1881 census for John LIDDELL and family it says that he was from Edinburgh, could Bo'ness possibly be considered "Edinburgh"?? Thanks for your help Claire -- Claire Turner ­ British Virgin Islands http://www.claireturner.com/thefamilytree.html Researching: BRANFILL / BRANFIELD, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY / LODEY, MACARTHY / McCARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER EoL FHS #10880

Hello Claire, I went to GENUKI and found the following regarding Bo'ness and Linlithgowshire (West Lothian). It seems to me that if he was Christened/Born in Bo'ness in 1845 and then in 1881 is showing up in Edinburgh it very well may be the fellow. As it shows here Edinburgh is only 24 miles away. Probably went there for work or something. I don't think though that Edinburgh and Bo'ness would be considered the same. Edinburgh is in a different shire/county...."Midlothian" Civil Registration in Scotland is from 1855 and records are from the GRO in Edinburgh. I would suggest renting the Parish register for Bo'ness in West Lothian and look there. If there is an LDS Family History Library near you, you can get the register films through them. It doesn't cost but a couple of dollars. I hope this helps some. Do you know who (aside from the names you were able to find in the Batch Files) his siblings were or who he married? This is the address where I got the info: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/WLN/index.html#Towns Borrowstounness or Bo'ness, a town and a parish of NW Linlithgowshire (West Lothian). All for now, Best Wishes, Sandy At 10:04 PM 08/11/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Good Evening Sandy..... > >I must kindly thank you for your wonderful assistance with the IGI and batch >numbers, I went back and did a search for other children of Robert LIDDLE & >Agnes and got quite a few hits > >I have what could be a silly question. On the 1881 census for John LIDDELL >and family it says that he was from Edinburgh, could Bo'ness possibly be >considered "Edinburgh"?? > >Thanks for your help > >Claire > >-- >Claire Turner ­ British Virgin Islands >http://www.claireturner.com/thefamilytree.html > >Researching: >BRANFILL / BRANFIELD, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY / LODEY, MACARTHY / >McCARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER > >EoL FHS #10880 > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/186.1.1 Message Board Post: Ah, thanks for the nice testament, Claire. Jim

Hello Claire, I looked at the entry from the IGI you mention below in your post and confirm the same with the exception that the surname is spelled LIDDLE, which matters not. There is also one listed for a John LIDDELL b. 21 June 1845 to James LIDDELL and Jane BURNS. Both of these entries appear to be from the filming of the records and not from a church member so can be relied on more. The first, the one you believe may be your ancestor is what I will talk about. The area of Bo'ness is in West Lothian. I checked the Batch file number and then searched on the marriage for a Robert LIDDELL and Agnes. I found it listed for 26 Oct 1841 also in Bo'ness, West Lothian. I did not go to check on any other listings for other children of Robert and Agnes in that parish. How to confirm they are the right folks, remains to be seen and would be helped along if you happen to know the names of any of the siblings of John that you could check against. You said it..... "certainly does fit what knowledge I have of my LIDDELL line"....... You did not mention what that knowledge is. But armed with your knowledge and the Batch file numbers you can perhaps ascertain if this is the correct ancestry. Since the birth is in 1845 there should be a regular record available which you can order. But before you do that try to make sure this is the correct person's record you want as it is quite pricey. I have used the Batch files along with the parish records with good luck! The birth/christening batch file number for Bo'ness is C116637 and the marriage batch file number is M116637. By using the number you can search in the IGI with just the surname and the Batch number and what will come up will be all records for all of that surname in that parish. Then you can look at those and see if there are other children etc....... Hope this helps, All the best luck, Sandy At 05:15 AM 08/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Message Board Post: > >Good Morning All..... > >My LIDDELL line is proving hard to trace just simply because I am unfamiliar with successful Scottish research at the moment > >I have found an entry on the IGI for a John LIDDELL born 22 Mar 1845 in Bo'ness, Scotland to a Robert LIDDELL & Agnes WADDELL. This entry certainly does fit what knowledge I have of my LIDDELL line, but how can I go about confirming that I have the right one?? > >Any advice anyone can offer would be very gratefully accepted > >Kindest Regards >Claire [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YQw.2ACEB/20.23.32.1.1 Message Board Post: My sister used to work at Cornell where she was doing research but she doesn't work there any more and I don't think she has done any more since then. I have started to try to help mom on it. I usually work on my dad's side of the family because mom doesn't usually have time to do that side. I have started to try to work on the tough links lately, and finding out for sure where William came from has been a big missing link for years. Talk with you soon Missy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BRANFILL, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY, LUCAS, MACARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/190 Message Board Post: Good Morning All..... My LIDDELL line is proving hard to trace just simply because I am unfamiliar with successful Scottish research at the moment I have found an entry on the IGI for a John LIDDELL born 22 Mar 1845 in Bo'ness, Scotland to a Robert LIDDELL & Agnes WADDELL. This entry certainly does fit what knowledge I have of my LIDDELL line, but how can I go about confirming that I have the right one?? Any advice anyone can offer would be very gratefully accepted Kindest Regards Claire

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BRANFILL, CHAMBERLAINE, LIDDELL, LODDY, LUCAS, MACARTHY, ROBERTS & TURNER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/186.1 Message Board Post: Good Morning All..... I have been a member of Team LIDDELL for a few of months now and it is everything Jim says that it is.....and more! Going from a complete family history beginner to being able to write an essay for them in just a few short months was not something that I had ever imagined possible, but it happened. With the groups guidence I have learnt a lot and my research has jumped back into the 1700's!!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/20.23.32.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the info. I have that and more, actually. Either you or your sister (if she is the one doing most of the research) can contact me at [email protected] Are you related to Joy? I met her years ago at a Lidell Reunion at Schuyler Lake and lost her address. Also,I was told that the Liddells probably originally came from the English/Scottish border where the Liddell River is located. Keep in touch! Kathy Lidell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lidell, Lydell, Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YQw.2ACEB/20.23.32 Message Board Post: Hi, I don't know if you have found the information that you have been looking for, but I am a descendant of William Lidell and Asenath Bill. My sister had wrote a post as well on here, which I had not even realized, but this is it: Hello everyone, I posted this once before in a different way. Now that I see somewhat how the list works I wanted to refraise my inquiry. Does anyone know where or how I would begin to search the area of Longeaton, Derbyshire records (parish, census, church)? I really don't know where to begin. I am new to genealogy and am starting with the hardest lost link (I'm determined to find his home!). I am searching for William LIDELL (could have different spellings) who came to US around 1780 with Major John TUNNICLIFF (father was John Tunnicliff who was first settler of Town of Exeter, NY also from Longeaton, Derbyshire). William LIDELL b. 1752. William and most of his family is also missing from Otsego Co. NY census records in 1810 and 1820 and died before the 1830 census. Wondering if possibly he went back to England during that time? If anyone would be willing to point me in the right direction or do some looking up for me I would appreciate it. I would like to find William Lidell's birth, family in England, home). It may be possible that the library here has some records I could research if I just knew where to get started. Other links I'm researching are: BILL - wife of William LIDELL m. 1792 was Asenath BILL b. 1772 d. 1859 Asenath BILL's father was Daniel BILL b. 1744 in Conn. children: LIDELL Simeon Asenath Luther Allen Orilla (Aurilea) Jonas ALLEN - mother of Asenath BILL was Sarah ALLEN (kin to Ethan Allen) All settled in the Otsego Co./Schuyler Lake area upstate New York. Thanks for your help in advance. Heather Barber I do not have much of the information myself, but my mother has been researching Lidells for years and she has actually been to Schuyler Lake and has a lot of information from Mr. Stoltenberg (can't remember for sure his spelling) and kin who lives and/or lived there. Please let me know if you would be interested in any of this information or may have any that may be use to my family. Thank you very much. Missy

1840 Census of Pensioners Revolutionary or Military Services; WilliamMcIntosh; age 83; in the home of John Liddell; Noxubee County, MS Nancy, visit the family: www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Blain Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.netscape.com/mbexec/msg/4317/YQw.2ACEB/189 Message Board Post: I'm just getting started and would love to hear from anyone researching Liddells. My gfather was Oscar B. Liddell, of Ackerman, MS, (Born Aug 26, 1984 in Noxpater, MS) married to Mary Ada Blaine. The family moved from MS to TN and then KY. Surviving uncles live in Louisville, KY and Magnolia Springs, AL.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2.2.2 Message Board Post: Louise! I distinctly remember our corresponding a month or more ago but I simply cannot recall the details or if we reached some resolution about your joining in with us in Team Liddell. I deeply apologize for this lapse but we have been extremely busy in setting up a team-wide filing system. Please write me at [email protected] and refresh my ver poor memory about what we talked about. I am very afraid that you have slipped through the cracks of my still very poor filing system. Jim Liddell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/188.1 Message Board Post: Hi! I'm afraid that the surnames you list are not too well documented back past the g-gfather stage. We have some of the families bearing these surnames among our members in those states and of their descendants elsewhere in the nation, but even they are having problems in linking up since we are still a young organization. Some of the issues are: A number of their ancestors entered the USA from Canada, others through NYC and there were Old World departures from Northern Ireland, Scotland and England. Compounding the problem for those arriving prior to 1750 or so is the great conflict-destruction of records in the 1600s and earlier in Scotland itself. Team Liddell, which is at the most fundamental level is planning an ALL-SURNAMES (which are derived from the old Liddesdale Scotland border district) DNA study starting in June 2005, does try to help out individuals such as yourself by collecting up brief line charts from each family in hopes that if enough are posted to our common files that some linkages will begin to appear. This can be a long process, though. You are invited to join Team Liddell to this end. Contact me for complete details. We have no dutes and there are no charges at all. Thanks. Jim Liddell

Hi everyone, I've finally launched a project that's long been on my mind. The link between Carolina Scots (usually, but not always, having immigrated from the Scottish Highlands) and Mississippi Scots has intrigued me since I started doing family research. It was typically the children of the original immigrants who started migrating westward, some making stops in Georgia and Alabama, but eventually settling in Mississippi. Eventually, Scots from all over the Carolinas had made their way to Mississippi! I've started a Rootsweb mailing list called MS-SCOTS, for people with an interest in Scottish immigrants or their descendants, who migrated to MS between 1800-1900 (approximately). If you'd like to subscribe, send mail to MS- [email protected] with the single word subscribe in the message body. To join MS-SCOTS-D (the digest version), do the same thing with the address [email protected] Please feel free to forward this to anyone who may be interested! It's my hope that researchers who have missing branches on their Scottish family trees and/or ancestors with missing time periods, will benefit from exchanging with other researchers who have a similar interest. Nancy Brister Nancy, Visit the family: www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/188 Message Board Post: My husbands great grandfather's name was Emory O. Liddell his father was Henry R. Liddle and his father was John B. Liddle. Henry was born in Indiana?? and John was born in England. This is as far as I can go on the Liddell line. I can't find anything. So if anyone had any info on this line please let me know. Thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Donaldson, Desmond, Justice Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/187 Message Board Post: Researching the line of my husband's great grandfather x3. I have his dob as 1 Aug 1808 in Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland. Son of William (although family folklore says James?) LIDDELL and Margaret DONALDSON who married in 1791. I have no siblings for him. He married Abigail DESMOND 29 Mar 1830 in Sydney, Australia. Abby was a convict, born in County Cork but sent from London on the Competitor, arriving 10 Oct 1828. They had 7 children: William (1828), James (1831 NSW), Charles Henty* (1835 Tas), John (1837 Tas), Margaret (1839 NSW), Mary (1844 NZ), and Janet (1846 NZ). All children married and settled in Victoria around Mt Moliagul/Dunolly or Queenscliff/Ballarat areas, except William and James who settled in NZ. James Donaldson was a master mariner, and his ship was the Thistle. After Abby died in 1859, he remarried to Annie JUSTICE at age 53, having a number of other children with her. He died in Queenscliff, Victoria, Australia 3 Feb 1878.