For those of you who may have an interest, I've just added excerpts from two old history books, the second below has some wonderful illustrations from the book, as well: History of the "Scotch-Irish" in Old Virginia, from a book pub. in 1897: http://www.geocities.com/twincousin2334/Old_Virginia History of Lancaster County, PA, from a book published in 1843: www.geocities.com/twincousin2334/Historical_PA_Collections Nancy Brister, researching: Baldridge, Cain, Courtney, Curtis, Carmichael, Dawkins, Doty, Garmon, Garrett, Hanon, Jackson, McCormick, Matthews, Osborne, Sharp, Stampley, Stringer, Turrentine, Warren & more!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Liddle, Liddel, Lidell, Lidle, Lydel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Well, HI !, Hmmm, Sandy Mc... Boy, if ever there was a Scot-sounding name, you have it. Thanks for the insight but we ex-colonials have to sometimes deal with information 200+years old, you know. (I'm assuring that you are still in the "old country" as we say in America. Gosh, I may not be getting much response to the DNA proposal but the posting sure is bring in new Liddell-related contacts. And your's is very interesting because several American Liddells, including myself, and an Englishman are beginning to try to sort out the Scot Liddells of the 1600s and earlier, if possible. I don't know if the team approach has ever been tried before but it is going to be tried in this instance. How about writing me at [email protected] and giving me your email address there and a little more about what you're doing? ( can assure you we will be very interested in what you have. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LIDDELL, HAMLIN, ROWE, AMUNDSEN, BEEMAN, FOUST Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim, I have been meaning to get back to this but am old and slow I guess. In regards to you mentioning the LIDDELL being of Scots origin is pronounced as rhyming with FIDDLE and English origin if rhyming with BELL, I can tell you that it doesn't really help much. Case in point: My search so far has taken be up as far as Durham area in the late 1500's/early 1600's. The name was spelled in all different manners including LIDDELL and LIDDLE. My great grandfather William used LIDDELL (Bell) as did one of his four brothers, whereas his other two brothers used LIDDLE (Fiddle). This was all in the same family. Their father however used LIDDELL on all his documents I have so far found. I understand from family tradition that it was of Scots origin. So far as I said, I have gotten as far north as the Durham area and still have yet to cross over into Scotland. Just wanted to throw that into the brew! Sandy

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.3 Message Board Post: Good Morning-- I want to postscript some thoughts to you that I pondered over the MLK holiday. Perhaps these will aid you in your search for the origins of the Black Liddells of Mississippi. Then again, it may raise an unsurmountable barrier for you. I don't know but hope it will help. As I wrote during our private exchange off this board, I lived for a while in Jackson, Mississippi and was aware of there being Black Liddells in that city. I never met any of them but was just aware of them. Now--both then and now--I have no way to explain their use of the Liddell name, which as I wrote you originates in Scotland, though I add here that this is true if the name is pronounced with a Bell rhyme. If with a Fiddle rhyme, then there is an England origin and no DNA relationship at all. OK. That stated, I now address the White Liddells of Mississippi. There are two groups, one arrived as pioneers about 1830 or so following the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit. They were small-tract farmers in the hills where the land does not lend itself to plantation-size agriculture. They were not slave-owners as a result and there are no Black Liddells in the hills of Mississippi--which would have probably resulted from their slaves, if they had owned any, adopting their surnames following the War. Since there are no Black Liddells in this area, this quite obviously did not happen and is additional evidence that they were not slave-owners prior to the War. The White Liddells in the Jackson area did not move into Mississippi until about 1880, long after the War and certainly after the end of slavery. Here, as in the Mississippi hills, there is no opportunity for newly-freed slaves to adopt their past owners' surname simply because the White Jackson-area Liddells weren't in the area until after slavery ended. So, I have asked myself. Why are there Black Liddells in Jackson? I simply don't know and have no easy explaination for this. Will you consider a conjecture of mine, which incidentally is the only reasonable explaination that I can come up with? Here is the background for my surmise. Jackson was fought over by the Union and Confederate armies at least eight times and its possession exchanged hands four times during the War. That's why it came to be called "Chimneyville" for a long time, since chimneys were about that was still standing toward the end. Everything else had been burned down or destroyed during combat. People, Black and White alike, were literally living in their yards and on the streets. Great hunger and physical deprivation was common for all civilians regardless of their race. >From my studies, I know that the Northern branches of the Liddell "family" contributed soldiers and sailers to the Northern Cause, and that some of these served in Union armies in the Central South, which of course includes Mississippi. My conjecture in attempting to explain Black Liddells living in Jackson is that --perhaps--a family or two of Blacks newly liberated from slavery received a great kindness from a Union army Liddell officer, and in casting around for a name to use in, say, registering for an issue of food or medical treatment, they adopted that officer's name for their own since they had no surname of their own as slaves. That's the best I can do for you. Perhaps the event was not as I propose there. Perhaps the details were greatly different. But this conjecture is as likely as any, I think. You are welcomed to explore other avenues of course. But I think you will be totally wasting your time in pursuing any connection--blood-link or former master-slave relationship--between Black Liddells and White Liddells. The usual possible connections--including those of the Hemmings/Jefferson type--just aren't there. Again, best wishes. Jim Liddell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: OK, then--so here we go (for me, again!) First, please write to me at [email protected] I get mail easier that way and it's easier to forward messages to other Liddell researchers when that becomes necessary. And sometimes, we get into things that are best not revealed on a public board, not that I'm aware of "black sheep" or "horse theives" in our lines. Second, when you write me at my email address, let me know if you reside north of the Mason-Dixon line and if your immediate ancestors did as well. We ARE all kin, north and south alike, but the southern lines are much better worked out, it seems. It would be best if you would at least provide me with the name of your state. Third, state in a nutshell, where you are in your research and how much you know--or suspect--about your ancestors. And, fourth, and I have to ask this, and I expect an honest answer. What race are you? Jim

This is a good resource. If you go to 'Browse and Read' you will be able to look through all the categories, but you can, also, search the entire site for a particular name or place. Free, Nonprofit Library for Genealogy & History-Related Research http://www.webroots.org/library/main.html ALSO: Von Stachon recently transcribed about 600 court records, deeds and wills for several counties in Virginia. She made images of many of the common words found in these old documents, and has prepared a table showing the handwriting with the transcribed word. Feel free to pass this link on in your mail lists, or use the link as you wish. Mike http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/oldenglish/oldenglish.htm Please excuse crossposts. Nancy Brister, researching: Baldridge, Cain, Courtney, Curtis, Carmichael, Dawkins, Doty, Garmon, Garrett, Hanon, Jackson, McCormick, Matthews, Osborne, Robertson, Sharp, Stampley, Stringer, Warren and more! Visit the relatives: www.geocities.com/twincousin2334 www.thepastwhispers.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LIDDELL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/YQw.2ACEB/181 Message Board Post: I am trying to track my great-grandmothers line of the family but know very little. She was born c1828 - married a Francis Easton on 18/7/1856 at Milton in Glasgow, Scotland. Had three children that I know of: Francis, Elizabeth and Jeannie. Can anyone help fill in some gaps?

I have a Vernon G Liddell b. 11 Jul 1901 in Baltimore, MD, and d. 26 Nov 1961 in Camden, NJ. Is this your Vernon?

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Yes I am new to ancestry search. I know very little about the Liddell name. I've never met my grandfather to know much about "our" history but his name is Vernon Liddell.

I've really enjoyed reading the e-mails about various Liddell's and where their from. I may have written here before but sense then maybe someone has come across this JOHN LIDDELL. JOHN LIDDELL b. 1770 Grunnark, Scotland. Came to NYC. 1792 that same year in the spring settled in Argyle Washington Co., NY then moved to Johnsburg Warren Co. NY. Death unknown. First married Margaret Oswald then married Rachael? It's unclear to me which wife is the mother of his children. But the last one is Margaret so I'm assuming here the first wife is the mother. children: Nancy, William, George, David, John and Margaret. The only one I have a birth date on NANCY LIDDELL 10 May 1793 she married JOSEPH WAKELEY in Warren Co. abt 1814. She died 10 May 1793 Johnsburg, Warren Co. NY. and is buried on the Wakeley farm in Sodom, Johnsburg, Warren Co. NY. I've seen the Wakeley Cemetery on the farm, she has a very readable tombstone. Thinking way back Johnsburg could have been in Washington Co. Anyone here about this JOHN LIDDELL and family? I'm related to Nancy Liddell through the Wakeley line.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Liddel, Liddle, Lidel, Lydel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.2 Message Board Post: Well, that's a pretty open-ended question and could lead to electronic reams of replies. I'm not cutting you off, for I am ALWAYS interested in people bearing our name (notice I used "our") but could you be a bit more specific about what you asking? Hmmmmmm, I will tell you this: If you are new to ancestor research, the Liddell lines are well-established and you will need only back to, most probably, your grandfather to link up. Do you want more ancient stuff, origins and the like? Well, we can literally drown you in nearly a thousand years of family "history" now, thanks to Ron Liddell, Gary Liddell and Dale West. Peace, and I look forward to your reply. Jim Liddell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: liddell, lydel, liddle, liddel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Gary! You certainly are taking this a lot further than I ever did when I was REALLY active. Wow, what a list, and you are absolutely correct about the various reasons for the variant spellings. This may seem rude to those with variant spelling but I believe that OUR direct ancestors were consistent in their spellings simply because they were landed and probably fairly wealthy and certaily educated. That, of course, might not hold true for some of their descendants. But, thanks for keeping me posted. --I have had very little response to the DNA proposal, for your information. Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/177.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you very much.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell, Pottinger, Robertson, Drever, Cowper, Couper, Coupar Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YQw.2ACEB/178.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi There, you requested a gedcom file - this can be downloaded from elsewhere on this website, see my tree and the Liddell page at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=spiroulla&id=I146 >From there you can download the gedcom file for any person. I'd be happy to hear from you if you can embellish my info! Regards, Simon - writing from UK. The text version is as follows: 1. Mary LIDDELL. She was the daughter of 2. James LIDDELL and 3. Janet ROBERTSON. She married Gilb. COUPER abt 1757 in Westray, Orkney, Scotland. He was born abt 1732 in Westray, Orkney, Scotland. Children of Mary LIDDELL and Gilb. COUPER are: i. Mary COUPAR was born 1758 in Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney. She married William POTANGER ABOUT 1781 in Westray. He was born ABOUT 1754 in Westray. ii. Jerom COWPER was born 1761 in Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney. iii. Ann COUPAR was born 1770 in Westray And Papa Westray, Orkney. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahnentafel, Generation No. 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. James LIDDELL. 3. Janet ROBERTSON. Child of Janet ROBERTSON and James LIDDELL is:1. i. Mary LIDDELL. She married Gilb. COUPER abt 1757 in Westray, Orkney, Scotland. He was born abt 1732 in Westray, Orkney, Scotland.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Liddell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1.1 Message Board Post: The variations to the spelling of Liddell are endless it seems! I have been trying to find when and where James Liddell (b1712) landed in America. Going through old passenger lists, land records, etc has yielded the following spellings: Liddell, Liddle, Lidle, Liddel, Lidell, Liddal, Liddall, Lidden, Liddill, Luddel, Lyddal, Lyddale, Lyddall, Lydol, Lydle, Lydel, Laddell...I could go on, but you get the idea. Some of these are distinct families that may or may not be related to Liddell, some are just phonetic interpretations by the person writing the document, some are interpretations of those trying to read bad or faded handwriting on old documents, and some are just mistakes. And who knows how many times Little was written down for Liddell. It seems the farther you go back in time, the more variations there are.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/174.1 Message Board Post: What is the deal with the last name Liddell...My last name is Liddell....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YQw.2ACEB/177.1 Message Board Post: interesting...I was looking up my name and came across your message. Although I am 32 and of course not the person you are looking for, my father was born and raised in Mississippi and I have a lot of relatives there. Mainly Jackson Mississippi. Liddell is my maiden name. Good luck on your search

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