In a message dated 11/8/2009 12:46:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, jhreeves@webtv.net writes: The last time I can find John COUCH, Sr. was 1800 Ashe County NC. It appears some of the old traditions are just not factual. Does anyone have documented proof that disputes my findings? Thanks, Joyce, > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest you try looking in the Perry County, KY Cemeteries! You seem not to recognize the validity of statements in the Rev. Dickey Diaries by Couch descendants, nor records in Harlan County, or in other proven findings by others. That is the doubting Thomas principle that guides those who cannot find genealogy to their liking. Perhaps that is the reason a new Couch Mail List has been established recently. Yes, try looking in the Perry County, KY Cemeteries. JOHN in CA ################################################## I have the Dickey Diaries in paper backs. I have the O'connor discs. I have the Downard information. I have read Sheltered Meadows I have seen the cemataries in Perry/Clay Co. & more I have been to the courthouses in Perry/Clay co. & more I have spent time in the Library in Perry/Clay Co. & more. Over & over again, I have asked for any once of proof, documentation anything!! And never once has it been showned to me!! *************** Because no one can! *************** It is all family history that has been passed over & over.... ABSOLUTELY NO TRUTH just all family stories. True geneologly is true documentated facts, not fiction, with family stories. 1. John Couch father was Ance/Ancel ....... .......NO FATHER HAS BEEN FOUND YET. 2. John Couch is German..... .......NO DNA SAYS ENGLISH 3. John Couch born in Berks Pa..... .......NO DNA GROUP #5 ALL BORN IN ORANGE CO NC 4. John Couch had 3 wives..... ...NO NO NO NO PROOF OF 2ND OR 3RD MARRIAGE. 5. Orange Co NC 1783 marriage does NOT belong to Perry Co Couch.... .......DOCUMENTATED PROOF 2 DIFFERENT COUPLES ...PATTERSON WOMAN WAS THE MOTHER TO JOHN COUCH OF ORANGE CO 6. John Couch weight 500 lbs.... .........IF YOU GREW UP ON A FARM, YOU WOULD KNOW 500 LBS IS THE WAGON COULD HAUL..NOT THE WEIGHT OF THE DRIVER! LIKE TODAY 1/2 OR 3/4 TON TRUCK. ....HOW DOES A 500 LBS PERSON TODAY LIVE?? 7. John Couch is Rev War soldier..... ...THERE HAS BEEN 1 FOUND, IS HE OURS ???? 8. John Couch died in Perry Co...... ....NO RECORD HAS EVERY BEEN FOUND..THERE ONCE WAS A NEW STONE FOR HIM, BUT IT HAS NOW DISAPPEARED. NO PROOF HE IS BURIED THERE. UNLESS IT IS JOHN JR. 9. Mary Couch sister/cousin to Daniel.... .....NO/NO CAN'T BE FOUND..BOONES DON'T KNOW HER. 10. Mary POLLY Boon is her full name...... .....NO DOCUMENTATED PROOF HAS BEEN FOUND. MARY ELIZABETH BOON 11. Mary Elizabeth Boon has land in her name in Charleston WV.....YES DOCUMENTATED. 12. Patrick Campbell father to John & Wm..... ...NO DNA SAYS NO RELATION 13. Patrick CampbelL, SR OR JR. marriage & divorce OF Elizabeth......NO RECORD HAS BEEN FOUND. ...NO PROOF, DNA SAYS NO. 15.LetticeTaylor or Grace Grissel Hay are .... ....NO RELATION TO US. 16. Elizabeth James who is she & who was she married too???? 17. Elizabeth James is she really mother to John & Wm.???? 18. Elizabeth James ......NOT RELATED TO JESSE, ...HIS FAMILY .... WELL DOCUMENTATED. 19. 2 different Campbell families in Perry Co 1800's.... ......YES, DNA HAS NOW SEPARATED THEM. 20. James "Barlett" Couch... .....NO.. Jms "Bartlett" paid taxes in Buckingham Va. too old to be s/o John & Mary. MAYBE JOHN JR. 21. John Couch, Jr Mufflenburg Co Ky. did he really marry Janet Campbell (& who is she? Parents?) 22. Nancy Hall wife of Wm Campbell...who is she??? 23. Mary Patterson buried in Perry co Ky.... ...NO SHE IS STILL BURIED IN ORANGE CO NC. 24. And who is buried at Campbell's bend where Mary Patterson's stone lays???? ...WE WILL NEVER KNOW!! 14. Patrick Campbell Sr. or Jr. never married Eliz James. NO JOHN WE HAVE NOT ALTERED ANY INFORMATION TO OUR LIKING, AS SOME PEOPLE HAVE SOLD BOOKS TO THEIR FAMILY STORIES. DOUMENTATED MATERIAL HAS ALTERED YOU FAMILY HISTORY!