Me too. Karen Dougherty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Wooliver" <twooliver@verizon.net> To: <lewis@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records >I would second that request! > > Tammy Wooliver Lewis > > -----Original Message----- > From: lewis-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lewis-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Michael Lewis > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:01 AM > To: lewis@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records > > Please take this argument off-list. This does nothing to advance Lewis > family research. > There is no moderator for this list, so self-control is expected. > > Michael Alan Lewes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I would second that request! Tammy Wooliver Lewis -----Original Message----- From: lewis-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lewis-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lewis Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:01 AM To: lewis@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records Please take this argument off-list. This does nothing to advance Lewis family research. There is no moderator for this list, so self-control is expected. Michael Alan Lewes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please, be informed I am not the administrator of this list as some believe. I administrate the Lewis-DNA Rootsweb list. And I am a volunteer administrator of the Lewis2 group of persons who tested at Family Tree DNA. I cannot put anyone in contact with a member unless they are also a member in which case they already have access to contact information. Janet Lewis Crain ----- Original Message ----- From: <repunzul@tampabay.rr.com> To: "Brenda Simpkins" <bsimp1949@yahoo.com>; <kdnoah@comcast.net>; <lewis@rootsweb.com>; "MandyColgan" <MColgan@ecfs.org> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records > Wow, shouldn't this be taken off list and handled privately???? > > I have been a lurker for awhile until I gather enough info to post a > message about my Lewis line, however, after reading all of this, I would > be hesitant to do so now. > > > ---- Llew Llaw <llewllawereint@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > I am not quite sure why you are so >> > hostile. >> >> You lied to me, repeatedly. It's funny you think you know my feelings >> though, too. Are you also a fortune teller. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have never spoken with you before and I >> > have no reason to doubt your sincerity. >> >> >> I saved the emails, we corresponded 2 years ago. >> >> >> I have put my >> > research on the web never requiring anyone to agree with it. >> >> Or offering proof either. But if you didn't want to discuss, you wouldn't >> have repeatedly forwarded your personal correspondence to me, now, and in >> the past sent me your family's pics, either. >> >> >> > I am open to any one else's research, documents or dna >> > findings. Put your stuff on the table in an organized and >> > polite manner and I would love to see it. >> >> I already have, you're just not listening. >> >> >> I >> > have changed my ideas quite often and would like to talk to >> > your sources and see your research. >> >> Already offered .You never gave sources, but I already have. >> >> >> They could shed >> > quite alot of light on the problem. I feel quite >> > battered by your insistence that I have lied or tried to >> > manipulate information. >> >> Well, you did. Your emauil correspondences are also listed on another >> lewis forum, and you mentioned to me about working at the school in NYC >> started by aesthetic realism and isaac asimov, too. >> >> >> Up until now Brenda was the >> > only person I knew who lived in Wayne Co. who had worked on >> > this family. >> >> you and I corresponded 2 years ago, so that is not true. >> >> >> I had no particular reason to doubt her >> > work, nor do I now. All of our efforts have been made >> > in a sincere attempt to solve this family's history. >> >> Or cover it up. >> >> >> > >> > If you want to argue credentials, I am a research librarian >> > at the New York Public Library with a Master's degree in >> > Early American History. I have 5 DAR entries, all >> > researched and documented by my own hand. I have >> > membership in the Mayflower Society via my ancestor Edward >> > Doten, >> >> My mother has had 15 dar entries, and was the registrar for the state we >> live in, meaning she checks it for the DAR, other people's research. >> >> >> and I am also a member of the Colonial Dames in New >> > York. As such, I am a docent of the Van Cortlandt >> > House in New York City. >> > >> >> Which doesn't change th3e fact you have never offered any proof of edward >> 3rd being thomas's ancestor. I have genetic testing and the rsearch I've >> already done showing he was the son of charles lewis of donegal, and I >> and the other lewises don't seem top have a testing lab to fake our >> results. I have nothing showing charles and benjamin were sons of edward >> at all, despite your insistence they were. >> >> >> > That being said, I would trust my Great-Grandmother Minnie >> > Lewis and my Grandmother Betty Lewis Conley who had common >> > educations in Morgan Co. KY to speak about their family over >> > anyone who had any kind of credentials to speak of. >> >> Which is nice, but all you are doing is assuming authority, and you still >> never gave anything to prove they have stated who thomas's Dad is. >> >> >> > >> > I know how to document a source and I know what "proof" >> > consists of. Proof is documented (purviewed) written >> > or photographed evidence of an event. Not heresay, >> > tradition, proximity to blood relations, >> >> Which you just gave above. Okay, I see now why several researchers here >> told me people here were crazy, and not to give them creedence or publish >> my email exchanges with them on list. >> >> >> backing by a >> > religous organization, or credentialed testimony. At >> > this time there is no proof as to the parentage of either >> > Thomas or Benjamin Lewis. >> >> There is proof, you've even quoted it. Your just a crank. You did also >> give the parents of both as edward lewis. That's not triue. I also did do >> research for that family, proving one ancestor of mine, the one I get my >> huge head from, came from that family in mecklenburg. It's been accepted >> too, by other people researching her. It did prove that alpine head was >> not due to anything but being a pict and lewis descendant, too. >> >> >> > >> > I would surely like to have your name so that we could have >> > a mannerly conversation. >> > >> >> Hey, you can be mannerly as you choose, you don't need my personal >> information. Given you have already scammed my sources, I can see why >> you hid for so long. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2251 - Release Date: 07/20/09 18:29:00

If there isn't a list administrator then I think Rootsweb  has the rights to take care of the problems since it through them we are allowed to post on their forum.  I just hope it stops.   Marianne Dillow --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Michael Lewis <massmsx@gmail.com> wrote: From: Michael Lewis <massmsx@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records To: lewis@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 11:01 PM Please take this argument off-list. This does nothing to advance Lewis family research. There is no moderator for this list, so self-control is expected. Michael Alan Lewes    

Hi Llew: Have you considered the possibility of your Lewis Ancestors being Cherokee? My great great-grandfather Joel H. Lewis was a full blood Cherokee. Joel was born in Louisiana & his father was born in North Carolina. I just noticed your connections to both N.C. & La. Below is a little of my family history. Good Luck Gayle M. Garrett Joel H Lewis Notes The marriage license is listed in Book I A page #124, Records of Kauftnan County, Texas. In the 1880 Federal Census of Benton County Ark. Joel H. Identifies himself & children as Indian... Margaret Jane, his wife, did not indicate her Nationality, [ but both of her parents were full blood German.] From the 1880 Federal Census, Benton County, Arkansas - Shows Joel born in La. Father NC and his mother, born in Ga. Joel H. Lewis died Tuesday morning while on his way to Siloam Springs, where he was to have made final proof on his homestead. Unknown at this time where he is buried. (It is thought that Joel H. Lewis is buried in the Fairmont Cemetery, Springtown, Arkansas). See copies of Legal Documents ..... i.e. Henry and Elizabeth Ratts.. Joel H. Lewis served with the Confederate States Army. From information received... Joel H. Lewis... left Jackson Parrish, La. in 1860- Note.. a JOEL LEWIS was shown in the 1860 Census of Jefferson County, Texas { Unknown if this is our Joel Lewis)... --------------------------------- Joel Lewis While going to Bentonville Tuesday to make final proof on his homestead J. H. Lewis of Springtown, dropped dead from heart failure. --Siloam Herald. (University of Arkansas Periodical Collection, taken from microfilm of issue 2-28-1896.) /_*The death notice above is my Joel. -----------------------*_/ 1880 Benton County, Arkansas, Federal Census Father Mother Hico TWSP Cont. -------------------------- Born BORN BORN # 278 Lewis, Joel (Ind) M 50 Hbd. Mar. Lab. LA. N.C. GA. Margaret F 35 Wf. Mar. Kh. TX. IN. IN. Mary E. (Ind) F 13 dau. TX. LA. TX. Ann (Ind) F 6 dau. AR. LA. TX. Susan (Ind) F 3 dau. AR. LA. TX. George (Ind) F 2 son C.N. OK. LA. TX. Rosetta (Ind) F 1/12 dau AR. LA. TX. ------------------------------------- Llew Llaw wrote: > >> Hopefully, there is someone out there >> that can help me past my brick wall. >> >> My Line goes something like this starting with my >> grandmother: >> Lola Alice Lewis (1901 - 1926 - Louisiana for both) - >> Married Clifford Morgan Bonnette >> James "Jim" Albert Lewis (1878 -1973 - Louisiana for both) >> - Married Minnie Minerva >> William Wiley Lewis (1871(GA) - 1964(La) - married to >> Martha Ann McIlwain >> Charles Lewis (GA - UNKN) - married Nancy Riley (NC - LA) >> > > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1700555&id=I76584306 > > or > > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/11700508/person/-416330057?ssrc= > > You'd need to give a little more information though. I know my advice does not help. > > But here's a few clues as to how to find out, > > 1. If you have an ancestry account, search family trees first, and ask for their sources. > > Murl's was easy to find, same info for his ancestor as his ancestor's neighbors, they were brother's in cocke county TN, and the info matched up right back to Andrew Lewis. Most pages have their book sources, which you can search for copies thru interlibrary loan, google books (books.google.com), and ancestry.com > > BYU has a number of books online as .pdf's, that's how I found the strattons and william maguire's family. Despite their lies, kathleen noah and colgan never listed those as references, I had to find them thru rootsweb and guessing, and seeing what sources sprang up. > > 2. Anyone who lies to you, disregard and never give them a second chance. > > 3. realize the most outspoken researchers can be cranks, and people with a second agenda. > > This helped with the noah-colgan people, I found out from talking to established authorities my ancestors were neither black nor indian, but rather scoth irish refugees, and Welsh people, all who were initially considered about the level of blacks and irish and indians, that is to say, no account scum. They were not scummy, anymore than the other types of people were, but that did help me understand a lot about people, and that research for genealogy relied a lot on guesswork and relying on books already done, and that family legends are actually like established legends, they both have truth and are used often to disguise it from outsiders. > > Good luck-is that Charles your charles? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Please take this argument off-list. This does nothing to advance Lewis family research. There is no moderator for this list, so self-control is expected. Michael Alan Lewes

This  has now been reported to the Adninistrator of this mailing list. If this isn't stopped you can be removed from the Rootsweb mailing list because this type of behavior on postings is not considered appropriate according to their rules.  You need to take this off this mailing list and discuss your differences in private.  Many of us menbers  do not appreciate this kind of behavior and disrespect.   Marianne Dillow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- On Mon, 7/20/09, repunzul@tampabay.rr.com <repunzul@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: From: repunzul@tampabay.rr.com <repunzul@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [LEWIS] Incest, and WV public records To: "Brenda Simpkins" <bsimp1949@yahoo.com>, kdnoah@comcast.net, lewis@rootsweb.com, "MandyColgan" <MColgan@ecfs.org> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 9:18 PM Wow, shouldn't this be taken off list and handled privately???? I have been a lurker for awhile until I gather enough info to post a message about my Lewis line, however, after reading all of this, I would be hesitant to do so now.  ---- Llew Llaw <llewllawereint@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I am not quite sure why you are so > > hostile.  > > You lied to me, repeatedly. It's funny you think you know my feelings though, too. Are you also a fortune teller. > > > > > > I have never spoken with you before and I > > have no reason to doubt your sincerity.  > > > I saved the emails, we corresponded 2 years ago. > > >  I have put my > > research on the web never requiring anyone to agree with it. > > Or offering proof either. But if you didn't want to discuss, you wouldn't have repeatedly forwarded your personal correspondence to me, now, and in the past sent me your family's pics, either. > > > > I am open to any one else's research, documents or dna > > findings. Put your stuff on the table in an organized and > > polite manner and I would love to see it. > > I already have, you're just not listening. > > >    I > > have changed my ideas quite often and would like to talk to > > your sources and see your research. > > Already offered .You never gave sources, but I already have. > > >   They could shed > > quite alot of light on the problem.  I feel quite > > battered by your insistence that I have lied or tried to > > manipulate information.  > > Well, you did. Your emauil correspondences are also listed on another lewis forum, and you mentioned to me about working at the school in NYC started by aesthetic realism and isaac asimov, too. > > > Up until now Brenda was the > > only person I knew who lived in Wayne Co. who had worked on > > this family. > > you and I corresponded 2 years ago, so that is not true. > > >   I had no particular reason to doubt her > > work, nor do I now.  All of our efforts have been made > > in a sincere attempt to solve this family's history. > > Or cover it up. > > > >  > > If you want to argue credentials, I am a research librarian > > at the New York Public Library with a Master's degree in > > Early American History.  I have 5 DAR entries, all > > researched and documented by my own hand.  I have > > membership in the Mayflower Society via my ancestor Edward > > Doten, > > My mother has had 15 dar entries, and was the registrar for the state we live in, meaning she checks it for the DAR, other people's research. > > >  and I am also a member of the Colonial Dames in New > > York.  As such, I am a docent of the Van Cortlandt > > House in New York City.  > >  > > Which doesn't change th3e fact you have never offered any proof of edward 3rd being thomas's ancestor. I have genetic testing and the rsearch I've already done showing he was the son of charles lewis of donegal, and I and the other lewises don't seem top have a testing lab to fake our results. I have nothing showing charles and benjamin were sons of edward at all, despite your insistence they were. > > > > That being said, I would trust my Great-Grandmother Minnie > > Lewis and my Grandmother Betty Lewis Conley who had common > > educations in Morgan Co. KY to speak about their family over > > anyone who had any kind of credentials to speak of. > > Which is nice, but all you are doing is assuming authority, and you still never gave anything to prove they have stated who thomas's Dad is. > > > >  > > I know how to document a source and I know what "proof" > > consists of.  Proof is documented (purviewed) written > > or photographed evidence of an event.  Not heresay, > > tradition, proximity to blood relations, > > Which you just gave above. Okay, I see now why several researchers here told me people here were crazy, and not to give them creedence or publish my email exchanges with them on list. > > >  backing by a > > religous organization, or credentialed testimony.  At > > this time there is no proof as to the parentage of either > > Thomas or Benjamin Lewis. > > There is proof, you've even quoted it. Your just a crank. You did also give the parents of both as edward lewis. That's not triue. I also did do research for that family, proving one ancestor of mine, the one I get my huge head from, came from that family in mecklenburg. It's been accepted too, by other people researching her. It did prove that alpine head was not due to anything but being a pict and lewis descendant, too. > > > >  > > I would surely like to have your name so that we could have > > a mannerly conversation. > >  > > Hey, you can be mannerly as you choose, you don't need my personal information. Given you have already scammed my  sources, I can see why you hid for so long. > > >        > >     

Hopefully, there is someone out there that can help me past my brick wall. My Line goes something like this starting with my grandmother: Lola Alice Lewis (1901 - 1926 - Louisiana for both) - Married Clifford Morgan Bonnette James "Jim" Albert Lewis (1878 -1973 - Louisiana for both) - Married Minnie Minerva William Wiley Lewis (1871(GA) - 1964(La) - married to Martha Ann McIlwain Charles Lewis (GA - UNKN) - married Nancy Riley (NC - LA) Thanks!!!

Well, I am sorry, but I can't help with a Sorensen result. I can only help with the Lewises tested by FTDNA in the Lewis2 Group. Did you try sending a message through ySearch? Janet Crain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Llew Llaw" <llewllawereint@yahoo.com> To: <lewis@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [LEWIS] who is kit #93286? > > > >> Llew; I can't tell you anything >> unless I know your kit #. >> >> Do not mention any living person online. >> >> Janet Crain > > > Okay. Actually, I am on disability, so my mother paid for it last Fall. I > am v-v-b-w-p at ysearch.org, but it was done with Sorenson thru > Ancestry.com, not with FTDNA. > > I too this test > "Advanced Paternal Lineage Test (Y-Chromosome 46)" > > I was a little surprised, until I found Murl and a few other Lewises, like > 93286, with the same result. I also lined up with Bolts, Hyltons/Heltons, > bates, and huff. > > Gideon Lewis' Wife, he's the Father of Theophilus, had kids pass thru > Floyd and Tazewell Montgoemery. His wife's name at marriage was Helton. I > am sure Theophilus or another kid could have been from a former marriage. > They lived next to Pike ,so given my ancestor's peccadilloes and sexual > habits, they could have bee responsible for the family existing. Huff was > fro ma John Huff, started in Floyd, no one knows where before that, Father > was named John, which is often used for people when the Father was > unknown-I know people here, have the same problem, only knew ancestor's > last name, coulda been a Lewis marriage and divorce or "accident too. > > > bolt was from N. Ireleand ,ditto for there. And Bates too, which was part > of the Hylton line of of Wise. > > But I think the records and the test, although I've asked for and been > granted a re-do, and the weird * on 459a, shows me to be a Lewis, product > of incest, looks like the rest are too. > > I did get a good match to that Thomas guy. I have not had any way to find > who he is or anything at all. I've accepted my ancestors situation, I am > sorry for it happening but not at all ashamed. I have no idea what > happened ,but it happens often back then in the US, and I love them both > anyway. They went ahead and had my ancestor, despite the fact there were > abortionists in Wayne county at that time, and they had money. But I and > my Dad exist due to the fact she went ahead and gave birth anyway, and he > was raised by people with good values who worked hard, despite the > previous problem. And, he owned up to it back then. People don't do that > now, but he did, and raised the boy. > > typical Lewis. Even when we mess up, we make good on it. > > but I don't know how to get ahold of the man. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release Date: 07/20/09 06:16:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ladybug5free Surnames: Lewis/Smith/Blackhawk/ Blasingame/Dick/Jones/Soledad/Jouquin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12110/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I seeking information on Thomas McFarland Lewis born Jan 30,1830 in LA and 22 Oct 1895 in Madera CA. He married Mary So OI HI AS ( Mary Blackhawk) which I believe to one in the same. they had a son name Savage James E Lewis. I believe the family indian blood line came into being with the union of this couple. Savage was named for the discover of Yosemite. Any help with the family of either Thomas or Mary is greatly appreciated. Thank you Fran Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: LEWIS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12109/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LEWIS J Marshall 1881-1948 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSMcGuire Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/5771.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Benjamin Lewis also found on the 1810 Floyd KY census 00010/301000 Married my 3g aunt Rachel McGuire, dau of Lt. William McGuire 1757-1837, Tazewell VA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Llew; I can't tell you anything unless I know your kit #. Do not mention any living person online. Janet Crain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Llew Llaw" <llewllawereint@yahoo.com> To: <lewis@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: [LEWIS] who is kit #93286? > > On lewis surname dna project, I'm mostly a match. Says Thomas Lewis, > ancestor. > > I'm also a match to huffs who were in Floyd, unknown Father, Hyltons who > were in New Kent and Bolt/Bates, all of whom have some tie to each other, > most have ancestry in Northern Ireland. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEWIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.19/2245 - Release Date: 07/18/09 05:57:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: LEWIS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12108/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LEWIS Mary O 1901-1972 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Okay, so there seems to be some stalwarts here. My ancestry research seems to have revealed that Harrison Lewis had a child with his daughter Melissa Lewis in 1874. This seems to have upset some people, mainly because they don't seem to want to handle it. Some people on this list, such as Brenda Lewis Simpkins and me, are descendants of this union. The Augusta Lewises are a complicated family, and most of the lies about the family have been debunked, like the Portugal claim, which appears in detail in book 4 of Pioneer Lewis Families by Michael Cook, pages 599-608. I scanned these, and will send them to anyone who asks. Just to let you guys know, my ancestors are John and Matilda Lewis, both of Floyd and Pike Counties, Kentucky. >From what I can make out, especially from my genetics, John Lewis was the first son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Galloway. The ancestry family trees show her dying in 1806, but my research shows her having moved to Bracken County, where the Lewises who started out in Floyd and were descendants of Gideon Lewis, moved later on. They probably divorced, which given my ancestral research, was just as common back then as it is today. Thomas Lewis claimed, in 1860, to have been born in Portugal. There is only one Lewis family to have claimed that, despite Mandy Colgan's and other people's claims, and that's the Donegal/Augusta Lewises. In 1728, the landlords in Donegal tried raising rents and apparently John Lewis refused, and fought back when his landlord, a scottish presbyterian named Mungho Campbell, tried driving him out, and he killed him and his bailiff in the process. John took refuge in a family friend's house on the Boyne, then fled to Portugal, then to Philadelphia, then to Lancaster PA (refuge for many Presbyterians who were also welsh), then, to the Shenandoah Valley, bringing a contingent of Ulstermen with him (History of Monroe County, West Virginia pg. 22 and 26) in 1732. Charles Lewis is said to have been born then or 1736, both important dates for settlement, but I've always wondered if he was born earlier, and the family was fudging the date. Either way, he seems to be John's son, so there isn't dispute about paternity. The birth year of Thomas is given as 1771 and 1774-the first is prolly his real birthdate, the second , mentioned in the census, is most likely the death date of his Father, Charles Lewis, who died at sunrise on the road to Point Pleasant.. Thomas is not listed in the will of Charles, so that might explain some misunderstandings about him. The claim Mandy Colgan, Kathleen Noah, and Brenda Simpkins have advanced is that he (Benjamin) was either : 1. covering for black ancestry, which they then supplant by saying he was the mulatto son of Edward Lewis 3rd of Mecklenburg, or 2. Thomas claimed Portugal since his parents were involved in shipping (Brenda states this in an email to me). I checked #1 with Mr Adkins, who runs Afrigeneas.com, and he states it is pure bull. He said the people who were half or fully black and tried to cover it, said they were "portegee", were mostly illiterate, and well known to be so. He also looked at the 1860 entry and stated my ancestor must have been educated and telling the truth, since none of the mulatto or black people claiming that would know the actual name of the island, etc. I used to be a racist, and this was kinda disheartening. The mulatto thing would have vindicated my having stopped being racist, and fixed a lot of problems. Now I was left with nothing. However, a long, beer-guided search through the Annals of Tazewell, specifically pg 240-241, showed Benjamin to have been the hubby of Rachel McGuire, who died in 1830. A book done by the WPA in the depression stated a William Lewis did an assessment of land in Kanawha in 1837, when the will of William Maguire was settled. William was the brother of a Benjamin Lewis, grandson of George Lewis, who was mentioned in Charles Lewis' will. The land was to go NOT to Benjamin, but his children-and the firstborn of Benjamin of Pike was Matilda. This would explain why John and Matilda moved to there, Wayne County West Virginia, one of the most beautiful places on planet earth, in my not so humble opinion. I checked too, and Benjamin supposedly settled on Stratton land in Pike. Solomon Stratton had died, and his heirs split up their land, and William Maguire's wife and mother were both Strattons of the same family (pg. 400, A Book of Strattons) , which would explain why he went there. Free or cheap land seems to be a major draw for my family. Mandy Colgan, in 2002, pulled it out of thin air that Thomas and Benjamin were brothers, in this post to ancestry.com ------ There is no proof given of that at all.. She just seems to have made it up. Judge Stephen Lewis of Wayne county told me over the phone he remembered that Benjamin had been proven to be George's grandson, and that Brenda had started claiming this (Mecklenburg) a few years back, which mystified him. I think she did this cuz Mandy Colgan was trying to make it sound like some Tidewater Lewises had black ancestry, and she jumped on the bandwagon to cover for incest. So, I think Thomas is the son of Charles Lewis ap John Lewis of Donegal, and Benjamin Lewis is the grandson of George Lewis also of Donegal, who came over the sea and into the Shenandoah with him. The Monroe county book says the eldest son of the grandchildren of John Lewis were named John too (check), and he led 30 ulstermen in his invasion of Augusta from PA (probably 30 families). On ysearch.org, my test is v-v-b-w-p, and matches with a Hylton/Bates, of Wise county who was adopted as his Father was, and I think he might be Lewis, due to the fact it's right next to Pike. It also came back matching a Marshall, but most especially a Lewis, Murl Jean Lewis, who thru his own given information and my checking it seems to be descended from John Lewis through Andrew, his son. Years ago, I was told we were NOT really Lewises. My ancestor, Francis M. Lewis, was the son of Francis Marion Marshall, I was told. His wife's Father, Harrison Lewis, came by one day, and saw the house was a mess, and the kid being neglected, took him back home as his own. I was also told she dropped him off at her Dad's house, since she couldn't care for him herself. A few weeks back, my aunt Pauline claimed she was at home when she became pregnant from the Marshall guy. If I keep asking , eventually I'm sure they'll say an alien spaceship put him there, using a reverse tractor beam, and it would be from the Marshall galaxy, but it's not there anymore, so stop looking right now. Dang kids, can't leave well enough alone. When I was a kid, we didn't have genetic testing, didn't ask questions, and we did just fine. But I am pretty sure, they did know the truth, and know it now. They are just afraid of it. Each time I asked about this in WV, my relatives got weird looks on their faces, and stated people did not often leave the hollow when choosing partners, or something like it. I also saw this in the news and web sites later. I also met many women who stated their Dads had tried or did have sex with them, which freaked me out. I figured, it didn't apply to my family, so I didn't bother listening. If men expected that their oldest daughter take over for their wives when they died, why did I need to know that? I was told Francis M was named after Francis Marion Marshall. I have checked, and according to the Marshall DNA project, that Marshall line is #61017. My genetics do not match up. My mother stated a well known tale of my Grandmother fooling around on my Granddad, but my genetics do not match up with anyone else in Wayne county, and she did that >5 years after my Dad was born. But, mine do for the Donegal Lewises. In WV vital records online, Melissa Lewis is stated http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1694151&Type=Birth and http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1743436&Type=Birth to have been born on October 4, 1856, mother Mary (Wooten) Lewis. When I went to the Wayne County courthouse in 2002, I found that Harrison Lewis, age 50, claimed Francis to be his son in 1874. In the 1880 census, Melissa is listed as a daughter at home, keeping house, and Frank's age is 6, with a line through it, and then 4, and then grand is added before son. In this record, near the bottom, from WV VRR,- http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1730974&Type=Birth http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=1694258&Type=Birth it states that my and Brenda's ancestor, Francis M. had Harrison Lewis as Father, Melissa Lewis as mother. So the official record states that. The marshall line I do line up with, is not the same one as the Marshalls of Wayne, not even close-think it's off by 6 or 8 places. Jacque Baker pointed that out to me, and he paid for kit #61017 to be done. But I match 23 of 25 with Murl Jean Lewis, meaning with a common last name, we have a common ancestor 8-10 generations ago. John Lewis would be 10 generations back for me, 9 for him, and would match that timeline. I was told my un-named female ancestor married 5 times to 5 different men, and had 5 children, none of whom were the children of the men she married, nor the same man. In the 1900 census, it gives Alexander Moore as her hubby, and she states she has had 5 children, 4 who lived, a more or less perfect match. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/Default.aspx?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7602&iid=004123469_00188&fn=Alex&ln=Moore&st=r&ssrc=&pid=62967929 I was also told by Osbourne that not all marriages after the first one were recorded, since that was a sin, so records can be "sparing". I have been given endless lies about how she died, none substantiated by fact. One woman emailed my mother after I posted online about the book of Hebrews where it says sins are paid for by repentance or blood, and she stated Melissa married a crazy preacher in 1902 who murdered her stating the same thing. I was also told by my uncle Curt Crabtree that people in Wayne are not averse to lying at all. I think he is right. He also said not to believe anything you hear, or half of what you see. I still think he is right. I think Harrison Lewis was Francis' real Dad, the genetics point to that, and so do official state records. Brenda and Kathleen Noah state otherwise, but hey, look at the records yourself and search ysearch.org using my entry-what comes up? Donegal Lewises. I'd welcome any other evidence, but even Kathleen does not mention Melissa being Harrison's daughter on her tree when I checked it, and you can see in WV VRR records yourself that she is. And she is also listed as Francis' mother, not head of household, not adopted mommy, but his mother. And Harrison as his Father. This is further backed up by the genetics tests. Any other explanations I'll check, but what do you all really think? I looked in archive.org on the KYOWVA website, and it had a link to Brenda's site, with the Donegal Lewises listed together with the Lewis crest, which I have as a background on my computer. So, I am pretty certain Kathleen Noah, Colgan, and Simpkins lied. Simpkins claimed she had a copy of the marriage certificate for Thomas, but when I offered to mail her a scanner to scan it and send me a copy, she never emailed me again. Noah has never written me back. Now, yesterday, I got an email interchange between the both of them, just making statements, as if that were proof or something. But those of you who clicked on my links, what do you think? BTW, I did speak to a woman named Eldean Wellman about it, and she and I have come to the same conclusion-we accept our ancestry, right or wrong to other people. I love my ancestors, I could care less if they did something wrong. My whole life, I have always stood for something, and every last one of them did too, to the point of dying for it or making a lot of someone elses die for it. That's the American Way. I stand by my lineage, my family, right or wrong. They survived in the harshest environments I have ever heard of, ever. I am proud to be descended from them, and I'll be damned if I am gonna lie about who they are, just because somebody with low self-esteem and a penchant for lying can't accept it, or handle it. I remember being in Wayne County, in winter, with snow, and like 90%+ humidity, and I cannot even imagine what it would be like to live there with a wood fired stove. My Dad said the wood was wet one year, and the parents slaughtered a pig, which heated their cabin for 2-3 days. I still have have my Dad's traps he used to catch food for his family in High School. Harrison Lewis had a child with his daughter, Melissa, in 1874. If anyone else has anything else to prove something else, please go ahead and show it to me. But I'm sick of the rampant lies. If you can't handle the truth, there's always a liquor bottle with your name on it in a bar somewhere. Probably my ancestors mighta brewed it. But please stop repeating obvious truth and drawing unsubstantiated conclusions. Can we at least give our ancestor's the honor of being honest about them and ourselves? BTW, Brenda Lewis' Dad was Arthur Lewis, son of Frank Lewis too- http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1920usfedcen&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=frank&gsln=lewis&msrpn=3103&msrpn__ftp=Wayne+County%2c+West+Virginia%2c+USA&dbOnly=_83004006|_83004006_x%2c_83004045|_83004045_x&pcat=35&fh=0&h=37946492&recoff=1+3+14 and , who died---in1958, my Dad said due to eye cancer. He used to visit my Grandpa Basil and his kids, and when the kids misbehaved, he'd take off his eyepatch covering the cancerous hole, and make them stare into it. He married Lesta Marie Smith, and had twins and Brenda later in 1949----. Her Grandpa is my Great Grandpa. Frank made whisky, was shot by the sheriff before 1930, I have the key he used to let himself out of the jail cell at night. He paid off the sheriff with money and liquor. When I went to the county clerk in 2002, it was on the wall, one just like it, exactly. I have spoken to Howard Osbourne, and he laughed his head off when I told him Frank's tombstone lacks a death date, and that he said he died of cancer in Huntington in 1949, after being taken there by wagon in winter. He laughed and laughed, and he is the head of the Wayne County Family History society, and stated that they obviously fudged the death date. Quote from telephone conversation : "Hahahaha, they have a tombstone, but not with a death date, they put the stone there hahahaha, without the year they put it down there, hahaha?" The family story goes, the people tell it, with straight, flat faces, and state that back then, anyone could pay off the sheriff, and swear out a warrant. When the man showed up on his porch, called out by the sheriff, the sheriff would claim he had a gun and shoot him dead in the head. His (Frank's) marriage certificate online has a curious set of additions on the side, adding up to 60-and Osbourne said it was because they faked his death certificate. He said it happens. The reason why Frank's birth is listed as 1875 on his tombstone and the marriage certificate (I think) and the state records is so if anyone checks them they won't find the record and the fact Harrison is his Dad. Also, the tombstone is made of a stone the man who did my Father's "Son" footstone said was not used until the 1980's (he’s a Ferguson too, same family as the man who fudged the death certificate). It's obviously patched up at the bottom with hand applied pieces of concrete-obviously after the original one. If anyone wants to see it, it's at the Mt. Vernon site of the old Methodist church there, as you go around the curve, you make a right and go up the long draw to the right, and after it tops the hill, he's halfway down the hill on the right, next to his son Oscar M. Lewis. Another Lewis child is also buried there. If anyone wants a pic of the jail key, just email me and I'll send it. If anyone wants the truth, please just follow the link and references above, and my test results and matches on ysearch.org. I have also found that the Marshalls I do match up with were Quakers in Ireland, and that one Quaker family, by the name of Dodd, produced Susannah Dodd, who married Robbert "Bobby" Marshall, the #61017 line, and I have not totally ruled out that possibility. I'd like to believe it too. Anyone here, can you prove it?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: davwayell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12107/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Anyone interested in a copy of the U.S. Department of State's "Report of the Death of an American Citizen" for Ms. Myrtle Lewis, please contact me so I can conduct research to locate the record. Ms. Lewis died in Chile on July 17, 1934. Dave Ellison davwayell@aol.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42RoseHill Surnames: LEWIS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12106/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LEWIS Bridget E and James W I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: davidrichardlewis1 Surnames: LEWIS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12105/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Great-Great-Grandfather was William Matthew Lewis, he was 22 yrs old when married Sophia Caroline Thornton (18) at St Johns church Grimsby Lincolnshire. I do not know when or where he was born, I do know his father was also called William Matthew Lewis. So if you can help please do. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: LEWIS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12104/mb.ashx Message Board Post: LEWIS Joe Frederick 1892-1982 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kalanlewis Surnames: LEWIS, MORGAN, WHITNEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lewis/12102/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a descendant of Thomas A. Lewis & Naomi L. Lewis. Thomas born 1830 in Wales, Naomi born 1836 Carbondale PA. Thomas' parents were Edumnd Lewis & Charlotte Morgan, Naomi's parents were John William Lewis & Rebecca Whitney. Thomas & Naomi were married 1858 in Benwood, Marshall County, West Virginia. They had at least the following children: Edgar Malcolm Lewis - born 1859, Benwood Margaret E. Lewis - born 1861, Benwood Sarah A. Lewis - born 1863, Benwood Charlotte N. Lewis - born 1875 Belmont Co. Ohio I have information on Edgar and Charlotte's families, but have no information on Margaret E. or Sarah A. Any info on these two daugthers is appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.