Hi Karin I had a look at Clifton WOOLMAN's files which are very comprehensive. He lists John WOOLMAN-2047 (b.1777;d.1848) as marrying Elizabeth FRENCH-2084 (b.1776;m.1802;d.1841) and as being a child of John WOOLMAN -1993 (b.1736;d.1809) sp: Ann NEAL-1994 (b.1753;m.1773) He also lists John WOOLMAN-2047 (b.1777;d.1848) as being a brother of your husband's Samuel WOOLMAN-1529 (b.1790;d.1875) (although he lists his wife as Jane not Joanne) sp: Jane SHIPLEY-1992 (b.1790;m.1810;d.1851) I presume his sources are the parish records and are held on his main database. Do you know if it is possible to check any of them? Regards John Woolman - John Goffe Woolman-1007 (b.1948) "My husband's mother was a WOOLMAN from Leicester whose ancestors were at both Smeeton Westerby and Kibworth Beauchamp. The late Clifton WOOLMAN in the US did a remarkable job tracking Leicestershire Woolman from about 1570 onward. I didn't check for your names, but you can have a look at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mydickfamily/woolman_html/ woolman4.htm My husband's line was through Samuel WOOLMAN/Joanne SHIPLEY; a distant cousin in the UK provided some pauper's orders against the couple; it's been fascinating seeing how the descendants moved into the US and Southern Cross. Regards Karin Duncan"