Hi Concetta Recently another list member gave a web address for transcribed burials for Coleorton. I can't remember who it was but had bookmarked the site: http://www.coleorton.org.uk/cemeteries.html There are lots of other info about Coleorton on the site from the Links provided. Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Leics: ADAMS, BANCROFT, BEET, COOK, GOWTAGE/GOWTRIDGE, MEASURES, MORTIMER, NEAL, ROSE, SHARP(E), STATHAM, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: C. Phillipps Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:37 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm > wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from > Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more > complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, > a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to > the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far > as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked > > the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists > > going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for > > the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about > > 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message