Hi Vern, I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have found your William: Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) 1773 William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 1774 Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 1776 John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So probably nothing more in that direction. It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but this is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern Prescott Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Old school records I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 in Cole-Orton. Vern in lovely SW Ontario ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Mike. The William whose baptism you found is not my ggggrandfather since he was buried 29 May 1775. Joseph and Margaret named their next son William in 1785. I think I have read something about a connection to the Beaumont estate, but I have found nothing myself. I have read a few things about William Stenson which I have tried to pursue with the authors, asking them about their source. They never seem to know where it came from. I have read in two places that William Stenson invented a slide rule for engineers but I have not been able to find a papent. I DO know that he patented a steam engine in 1816 and have a copy of the description and drawing that he submitted. I am wondering whether the answers might lie in Worthington records. These don't seem to be included in LeicView. Vern On 9 August 2013 05:21, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Vern, > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > found > your William: > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > 1773 > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > 1774 > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > 1776 > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > probably > nothing more in that direction. > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > this > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > >

Hi Vern, The Packington reference that Sue found looks interesting. I wouldn't discount the possibility that it was the William for whom you're looking. Although the Baptists did adopt adult baptisms, they also found that it caused problems when it came to proving legally that someone should inherit. One solution was to register births in their church records, so it would be worth checking whether this Packington record really was a baptism, or merely a birth record. Since the name, date and place are right, I would think it must be a possibility. You could check what 18th century records the Record Office holds for Packington Baptist Church by telephoning them. It will be listed in a folder of Baptist churches under "Packington", so it's easy for them to find the list and read it to you. See: <http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/community/museums/record_office.htm> If you can find out whether there is a list of members in 1770 and that it includes a Stenson/Stinson family, but NOT a William, then that will be a good indication that William is an infant. If there is only one husband & wife with the surname, they are likely to be his parents. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern Prescott Sent: 09 August 2013 12:18 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records Thanks, Mike. The William whose baptism you found is not my ggggrandfather since he was buried 29 May 1775. Joseph and Margaret named their next son William in 1785. I think I have read something about a connection to the Beaumont estate, but I have found nothing myself. I have read a few things about William Stenson which I have tried to pursue with the authors, asking them about their source. They never seem to know where it came from. I have read in two places that William Stenson invented a slide rule for engineers but I have not been able to find a papent. I DO know that he patented a steam engine in 1816 and have a copy of the description and drawing that he submitted. I am wondering whether the answers might lie in Worthington records. These don't seem to be included in LeicView. Vern On 9 August 2013 05:21, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Vern, > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > found > your William: > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > 1773 > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > 1774 > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > 1776 > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > probably > nothing more in that direction. > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > this > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message