Hi Concetta, Vern & others, I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the Leicestershire Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. These include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the parish authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out whether there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been sold (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as I am aware, transcribed. Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if not. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. Phillipps Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records Hi Mike, Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very hard yet). Concetta On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Vern, > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > found > your William: > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > 1773 > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > 1774 > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > 1776 > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > probably > nothing more in that direction. > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > this > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > Prescott > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > in Cole-Orton. > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You're welcome ! Thanks By the way, I forgot to cite my source for the settlement rules list (slapped wrist !). It was "Ancestral Trails" by Mark D Herber (an excellent book !) Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. Phillipps Sent: 10 August 2013 21:38 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message