Michael, If your Charles Horace Gray died while serving with the South African Infantry during the First World War, then there will be a South African "Death Notice" for him. This death notice is a detailed death certificate with probate records attached. A Scottish cousin of mine married a South African soldier in 1915, and he was later killed in France. Below is the sort of thing you'll get from South African Records. Death Notice; South Africa : Name : William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, Place of Birth : Cradock, South Africa, Nationality : British, Father : William McKerrell, deceased, Mother : Christina Leishman Sneddon, deceased, Age : 27 years and 7 months, Occupation : Engineer, Residence : Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, Marital Status : Married out of Community, Spouse : Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek, Place of Marriage : Prestonpans, Scotland, Date of Death : 10th April 1918, Place of Death : At a Clearing Station Hospital in France, Cause of Death : from Wounds received in Action, Children : Archibald Alexander McKerrell, 29th July 1916, Has Deceased left - Movable Property ?; : Yes, Immovable Property ?; : No, Is Estate greater than £300 ? : Yes, Left a Will ?; : Yes, Dated : 26th February 1919 at Edinburgh, Scotland, Signed : Margaret M.B. McKerrell, Capacity : Widow of the Deceased, not present at Death . Probate : Last Will and Testament. I, William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, presently of Cape Town, do hereby revoke, cancel and annull all former Testamentary Dispositions made by me and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I give and bequeath to my brother Colin Thomas McKerrell, the sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds (£150) Sterling. I appoint my intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek of Woodbine, Prestonpans, Scotland, to be the sole and universal heiress of all the rest of my Estate and Effects of Whatsoever kind. I further appoint my said intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek and Henry Duncan Wright, at present Manager of Stewarts and Lloyds (South Africa) Limited, Bloemfontein, to be the Executrix and Executor of this my Will and Administratrix and Administrator of my Estate, granting unto them all power and authority in law, especially that of assumption. I reserve to myself the power to make all alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit, either by a separate act or at the foot hereof, desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my own signature shall be had as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand at Cape Town, this third day of September in the Year of our Lord, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifteen in the presence of the subscribing Witnesses. W.A.S. McKerrell, Witnesses : 1) William S. Row, 2) J.W. Loubser. Will accepted and Registered: M. Huhbling ?, Master, Supreme Court, Bloemfontein, 27/6/19 So I'd follow up the South African lead if I were you. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@allbrook.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Nivard Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent detail Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 24 July 2008 15:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM
Off list Thank you very much, please, do you have a web address for the S A Records as I have not found it Michael -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: 24 July 2008 17:53 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Michael, If your Charles Horace Gray died while serving with the South African Infantry during the First World War, then there will be a South African "Death Notice" for him. This death notice is a detailed death certificate with probate records attached. A Scottish cousin of mine married a South African soldier in 1915, and he was later killed in France. Below is the sort of thing you'll get from South African Records. Death Notice; South Africa : Name : William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, Place of Birth : Cradock, South Africa, Nationality : British, Father : William McKerrell, deceased, Mother : Christina Leishman Sneddon, deceased, Age : 27 years and 7 months, Occupation : Engineer, Residence : Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, Marital Status : Married out of Community, Spouse : Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek, Place of Marriage : Prestonpans, Scotland, Date of Death : 10th April 1918, Place of Death : At a Clearing Station Hospital in France, Cause of Death : from Wounds received in Action, Children : Archibald Alexander McKerrell, 29th July 1916, Has Deceased left - Movable Property ?; : Yes, Immovable Property ?; : No, Is Estate greater than £300 ? : Yes, Left a Will ?; : Yes, Dated : 26th February 1919 at Edinburgh, Scotland, Signed : Margaret M.B. McKerrell, Capacity : Widow of the Deceased, not present at Death . Probate : Last Will and Testament. I, William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, presently of Cape Town, do hereby revoke, cancel and annull all former Testamentary Dispositions made by me and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I give and bequeath to my brother Colin Thomas McKerrell, the sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds (£150) Sterling. I appoint my intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek of Woodbine, Prestonpans, Scotland, to be the sole and universal heiress of all the rest of my Estate and Effects of Whatsoever kind. I further appoint my said intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek and Henry Duncan Wright, at present Manager of Stewarts and Lloyds (South Africa) Limited, Bloemfontein, to be the Executrix and Executor of this my Will and Administratrix and Administrator of my Estate, granting unto them all power and authority in law, especially that of assumption. I reserve to myself the power to make all alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit, either by a separate act or at the foot hereof, desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my own signature shall be had as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand at Cape Town, this third day of September in the Year of our Lord, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifteen in the presence of the subscribing Witnesses. W.A.S. McKerrell, Witnesses : 1) William S. Row, 2) J.W. Loubser. Will accepted and Registered: M. Huhbling ?, Master, Supreme Court, Bloemfontein, 27/6/19 So I'd follow up the South African lead if I were you. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@allbrook.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Nivard Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent detail Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 24 July 2008 15:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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