My goodness! It is fortunate that she wasn't hurt! -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:07 AM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Carolyn, Thanks for that. Yes, I took a look at their website & the entry in Wikipedia. Naturally, histories tend to concentrate on where the action took place, so for local interest, I wanted to see whether I could find out anything about their time in Leicestershire. It was probably pretty boring - just waiting to be shipped out and join the offensive in France. As an aside, a local resident of Kirby Muxloe recently dug up a live British WW2 hand grenade in her garden ! She has no idea how it got there. The bomb disposal squad were called from Nottingham and exploded it in a nearby field. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Sidebottom Sent: 03 June 2014 15:42 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Mike, You can Google (82nd Airborne + WW2) and get lots of information. The 82nd is still an active unit, but it will be losing it's parachuting status at the end of this year. Training is considered too costly in both money and accidents to be worthwhile for a skill that is fast becoming obsolete in modern warfare. Carolyn in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:15 AM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Nivard, That sounds very likely. Do you know anything about what action they saw ? Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 03 June 2014 10:46 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Mike Could it be officers billets for the 82nd Airborne which camped on Braunstone Park ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 10:23, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Brian & All, > > Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may > have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th > Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into > believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. > It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted > in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know > which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day > ? Any info welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another good website both for information and to add yours. http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/day-by-day/1944-06-06.php Brian Binns

Thanks to David & Nivard for their replies - all most interesting. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: 03 June 2014 11:28 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day The actual D-Day assault in Normandy on the 6th June 1944 was known as "Operation Neptune". It was the major component of "Operation Overlord", the latter being the overall plan for the invasion of north-west France bounded by the Seine in the East and Loire to the south. To be finicky in regard to terminology, the 82nd Airborne was a Division which is a "formation" and had many "units" under its command. A "unit" in the army is a Battalion, with companies, platoons etc being "sub-units". Brigades, Divisions and Corps are all "formations". The 82nd's Divisional Headquarters was at Braunstone Park with the Division's main camp at Victoria Park after it moved from Italy to England. The Division's 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment was at Wollaton Park, Notts and the 507th Regt at Tollerton Hall, Notts. With somewhere in the region of 12,000 men, an airborne division requires a lot of accommodation! Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Mike Could it be officers billets for the 82nd Airborne which camped on Braunstone Park ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 10:23, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Brian & All, > > Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may > have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th > Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into > believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. > It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted > in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know > which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day > ? Any info welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike No specific information but do know they were in Normandy pre and for D Day, they were also part of Market Garden (Arnhem) and the Battle of the Bulge It may be worth asking the museum for the unit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Airborne_Division_War_Memorial_Museum> Although I suspect they may be a tad busy at present Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 11:14, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > That sounds very likely. Do you know anything about what action they saw ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike

Hi Nivard, That sounds very likely. Do you know anything about what action they saw ? Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 03 June 2014 10:46 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Mike Could it be officers billets for the 82nd Airborne which camped on Braunstone Park ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 10:23, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Brian & All, > > Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may > have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th > Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into > believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. > It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted > in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know > which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day > ? Any info welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Could it be officers billets for the 82nd Airborne which camped on Braunstone Park ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 10:23, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Brian & All, > > Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may > have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th > Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into > believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. > It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted > in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know > which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day > ? Any info welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould

Hi Brian & All, Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day ? Any info welcome. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Binns Sent: 03 June 2014 09:08 To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] D Day This Friday sees the 70th anniversary of D-Day - a time when we should remember those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to free mainland Europe of the Nazi threat. Men from so many different counties - British, American, Canadian, Polish, Australian etc, the French civilians, and not forgetting of course the many Germans who too lost their lives. <snip>

Mike, You can Google (82nd Airborne + WW2) and get lots of information. The 82nd is still an active unit, but it will be losing it's parachuting status at the end of this year. Training is considered too costly in both money and accidents to be worthwhile for a skill that is fast becoming obsolete in modern warfare. Carolyn in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:15 AM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Nivard, That sounds very likely. Do you know anything about what action they saw ? Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 03 June 2014 10:46 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] D Day Hi Mike Could it be officers billets for the 82nd Airborne which camped on Braunstone Park ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 10:23, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Brian & All, > > Thanks for a very interesting posting on a topical subject. Some of you may > have read the article in Friday's Leicester Mercury about the spoof "US 9th > Airborne Division", created for Operation Fortitude to fool the Nazis into > believing that there was an American division stationed in Leicestershire. > It was all fiction - however, I do know that American forces were billeted > in The Towers, a large country house in Kirby Muxloe. Does anyone know > which unit they would have come from and whether they were involved in D-Day > ? Any info welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian, a crowded beach might be just what is needed for a more realistic experience! Think about it... Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Binns Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:08 AM To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] D Day This Friday sees the 70th anniversary of D-Day - a time when we should remember those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to free mainland Europe of the Nazi threat. Men from so many different counties - British, American, Canadian, Polish, Australian etc, the French civilians, and not forgetting of course the many Germans who too lost their lives. If you've never visited the D-Day beaches in Normandy I would urge you to do so - though possibly not this week, when it would appear to be very crowded! We went there 10 years ago - in August - and though moving and very thought provoking, it was in an odd way enjoyable and something that I would like to do again. I do not have any direct relations who were involved, but there is of course some East Midlands connections. Many men were billeted around the East Midlands prior to D-Day - Wollaton Park in Nottingham for instance - and airfields on the Leicestershire/Lincolnshire border were involved in Glider operations. The museums along the Normandy coast are a must to visit - Arromanches in particular - and it was in one, I think on Omaha beach, where I saw one of the most poignant pieces of memorabilia. Two American comrades billeted on Wollaton Park, Nottingham had torn a dollar bill in half prior to leaving and had arranged to meet again over in Normandy to join them together - and thankfully they did, and the two halves are now in a display case in this museum. Two who made it out of so many who didn't. To give you an idea of what it was like on D-Day and the days following, check out these websites from a French War historian and photographer, Patrick Elie. One of them is very nostalgic as Patrick has taken photos from the same spot as in 1944 and compared the D-Day ones with the present day. http://www.6juin1944.com/album/thennow/index.php http://www.us-militaria.com/en/Dossiers-Militaria/then-and-now Brian Binns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This Friday sees the 70th anniversary of D-Day - a time when we should remember those who paid the ultimate sacrifice to free mainland Europe of the Nazi threat. Men from so many different counties - British, American, Canadian, Polish, Australian etc, the French civilians, and not forgetting of course the many Germans who too lost their lives. If you've never visited the D-Day beaches in Normandy I would urge you to do so - though possibly not this week, when it would appear to be very crowded! We went there 10 years ago - in August - and though moving and very thought provoking, it was in an odd way enjoyable and something that I would like to do again. I do not have any direct relations who were involved, but there is of course some East Midlands connections. Many men were billeted around the East Midlands prior to D-Day - Wollaton Park in Nottingham for instance - and airfields on the Leicestershire/Lincolnshire border were involved in Glider operations. The museums along the Normandy coast are a must to visit - Arromanches in particular - and it was in one, I think on Omaha beach, where I saw one of the most poignant pieces of memorabilia. Two American comrades billeted on Wollaton Park, Nottingham had torn a dollar bill in half prior to leaving and had arranged to meet again over in Normandy to join them together - and thankfully they did, and the two halves are now in a display case in this museum. Two who made it out of so many who didn't. To give you an idea of what it was like on D-Day and the days following, check out these websites from a French War historian and photographer, Patrick Elie. One of them is very nostalgic as Patrick has taken photos from the same spot as in 1944 and compared the D-Day ones with the present day. http://www.6juin1944.com/album/thennow/index.php http://www.us-militaria.com/en/Dossiers-Militaria/then-and-now Brian Binns

Hi Marlyn Interesting entry in 1841 isn't it, the enumerator went the extra mile didn't he, I can't remember seeing that in the 1841, he is supposed to have entered just N for Not born in County, so it was very kind of him Ticknall being in Derbyshire I think the enumerator just got his proverbials in a twist and entered Notts in error On the ships manifest for Mary in 1853 I don't suppose there was a crossed out entry for Thomas was there Deaths were registered where they occurred so if the were planning to emigrate and he died on the journey it could be anywhere along the way It is also possible he went first and died over there before she reached him As a side note, I was born about 4 miles from Enderby, moved to a village 3 miles from Enderby and worked in St Johns half a mile away for many years, so know the area well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/06/2014 20:06, Marlyn wrote: > Hi Nivard, This gets a little complicated but I will try to explain. > August 7, 1837 Mary Ellen Spencer married Thomas Warren in Radford, > Nottinghamshire. Thomas Warren's age was above 21 and he was a brickmaker - > as was his father, Thomas. (Listed on the marriage record) Mary Ellen > Spencer was born in Enderby, Leicestershire in 1811. Her father was William > Spencer a lacemaker who was born in Enderby. William Spencer moved his > family to Loughborough (late 1820's) and then to Nottingham (after 1830). > In 1841 William Spencer emigranted (along with several family members) to > Philadelphia, PA.

Hi Marlyn From the sounds of it I think you have misunderstood the series of posts In summary, you seek a death reg in Leicestershire 1851 to 1853 for a Thomas WARREN There are only two, both in 1851 Deaths Mar 1851 WARREN Thomas Leicester 15 74 The burial posted by Angie re a 4 year old at St Margarets Leicester 15 Feb 1851 would be registered in the March quarter (ie Jan, Feb or March) and is therefore almost certainly the above entry Leaving Deaths Jun 1851 Warren Thomas Leicester 15 73 There is no burial in the National Burial Index however that is far from complete So the only likely way of seeing if its your man is to buy the certificate === As a matter of interest, why do you think he died in Leicestershire? I did not see a man of that name and age in the 1851 or 1841 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/06/2014 16:34, Marlyn wrote: > What a great group you are! Thank you so much for your responses and > suggestions with regard to my request for information on the death record > for Thomas Warren. The information from Karen, Margaret, Connie, Nivard and > Angie was very helpful in determining that the Thomas Warren who died in 1n > 1851 was not the Thomas I am searching for; however, I will continue my > research. > > Again, thank you for taking the time to check out and respond to my request. > > Marlynn Johnson > > Ocean City, NJ > > USA

For a change, Marlynn, I think you have got a thornier issue than I usually do! Good luck solving the mystery. Eventually, a light bulb will pop on and you will say, "Gee, how could I have been so dense!" Anyway, that happens to me alot! I checked my sources, but I only came up with what many others are reporting. Best Wishes, Carolyn in finally spring-like Minnesota! -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marlyn Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 2:06 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Thomas Warren death record Hi Nivard, This gets a little complicated but I will try to explain. August 7, 1837 Mary Ellen Spencer married Thomas Warren in Radford, Nottinghamshire. Thomas Warren's age was above 21 and he was a brickmaker - as was his father, Thomas. (Listed on the marriage record) Mary Ellen Spencer was born in Enderby, Leicestershire in 1811. Her father was William Spencer a lacemaker who was born in Enderby. William Spencer moved his family to Loughborough (late 1820's) and then to Nottingham (after 1830). In 1841 William Spencer emigranted (along with several family members) to Philadelphia, PA. In 1841 Thomas and Mary Warren are living in Maplebeck, Nottingham. Thomas indicated he was born in Derbyshire. In 1851 Thomas and Mary Warren are living in Bothamsall, Nottingham. Thomas Warren is a superintendent of a brick yard and indicated that he was from Ticknall, Nottingham. Mary E. Warren emigrated to Philadelphia and arrived 27 June 1853. Mary Warren lived with her parents (William and Mary Spencer) in Philadelphia from 1853 onwards. Mary Warren died in 1877. At no time does her husband, Thomas Warren appear on the scene. In addition, I cannot find Thomas Warren, brick maker, listed on a census in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, or Leicestershire after 1851. On Freebmd (1851-1853)there were no deaths listed for Thomas Warren in Nottinghamshire, two listed for Leicestershire, and one listed for Derbyshire (Dec 1853). I am not certain if Thomas Warren died or skipped out on Mary Warren. It is also possible that Mary Warren left Thomas Warren to go live with her parents in Philadelphia; however, where did Thomas go??? Any thoughts? Thank you for your interest. Marlynn Johnson -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 1:44 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Thomas Warren death record Hi Marlyn From the sounds of it I think you have misunderstood the series of posts In summary, you seek a death reg in Leicestershire 1851 to 1853 for a Thomas WARREN There are only two, both in 1851 Deaths Mar 1851 WARREN Thomas Leicester 15 74 The burial posted by Angie re a 4 year old at St Margarets Leicester 15 Feb 1851 would be registered in the March quarter (ie Jan, Feb or March) and is therefore almost certainly the above entry Leaving Deaths Jun 1851 Warren Thomas Leicester 15 73 There is no burial in the National Burial Index however that is far from complete So the only likely way of seeing if its your man is to buy the certificate === As a matter of interest, why do you think he died in Leicestershire? I did not see a man of that name and age in the 1851 or 1841 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/06/2014 16:34, Marlyn wrote: > What a great group you are! Thank you so much for your responses and > suggestions with regard to my request for information on the death > record for Thomas Warren. The information from Karen, Margaret, > Connie, Nivard and Angie was very helpful in determining that the > Thomas Warren who died in 1n > 1851 was not the Thomas I am searching for; however, I will continue > my research. > > Again, thank you for taking the time to check out and respond to my request. > > Marlynn Johnson > > Ocean City, NJ > > USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7608 - Release Date: 06/02/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard, This gets a little complicated but I will try to explain. August 7, 1837 Mary Ellen Spencer married Thomas Warren in Radford, Nottinghamshire. Thomas Warren's age was above 21 and he was a brickmaker - as was his father, Thomas. (Listed on the marriage record) Mary Ellen Spencer was born in Enderby, Leicestershire in 1811. Her father was William Spencer a lacemaker who was born in Enderby. William Spencer moved his family to Loughborough (late 1820's) and then to Nottingham (after 1830). In 1841 William Spencer emigranted (along with several family members) to Philadelphia, PA. In 1841 Thomas and Mary Warren are living in Maplebeck, Nottingham. Thomas indicated he was born in Derbyshire. In 1851 Thomas and Mary Warren are living in Bothamsall, Nottingham. Thomas Warren is a superintendent of a brick yard and indicated that he was from Ticknall, Nottingham. Mary E. Warren emigrated to Philadelphia and arrived 27 June 1853. Mary Warren lived with her parents (William and Mary Spencer) in Philadelphia from 1853 onwards. Mary Warren died in 1877. At no time does her husband, Thomas Warren appear on the scene. In addition, I cannot find Thomas Warren, brick maker, listed on a census in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, or Leicestershire after 1851. On Freebmd (1851-1853)there were no deaths listed for Thomas Warren in Nottinghamshire, two listed for Leicestershire, and one listed for Derbyshire (Dec 1853). I am not certain if Thomas Warren died or skipped out on Mary Warren. It is also possible that Mary Warren left Thomas Warren to go live with her parents in Philadelphia; however, where did Thomas go??? Any thoughts? Thank you for your interest. Marlynn Johnson -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 1:44 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Thomas Warren death record Hi Marlyn From the sounds of it I think you have misunderstood the series of posts In summary, you seek a death reg in Leicestershire 1851 to 1853 for a Thomas WARREN There are only two, both in 1851 Deaths Mar 1851 WARREN Thomas Leicester 15 74 The burial posted by Angie re a 4 year old at St Margarets Leicester 15 Feb 1851 would be registered in the March quarter (ie Jan, Feb or March) and is therefore almost certainly the above entry Leaving Deaths Jun 1851 Warren Thomas Leicester 15 73 There is no burial in the National Burial Index however that is far from complete So the only likely way of seeing if its your man is to buy the certificate === As a matter of interest, why do you think he died in Leicestershire? I did not see a man of that name and age in the 1851 or 1841 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/06/2014 16:34, Marlyn wrote: > What a great group you are! Thank you so much for your responses and > suggestions with regard to my request for information on the death > record for Thomas Warren. The information from Karen, Margaret, > Connie, Nivard and Angie was very helpful in determining that the > Thomas Warren who died in 1n > 1851 was not the Thomas I am searching for; however, I will continue > my research. > > Again, thank you for taking the time to check out and respond to my request. > > Marlynn Johnson > > Ocean City, NJ > > USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7608 - Release Date: 06/02/14

What a great group you are! Thank you so much for your responses and suggestions with regard to my request for information on the death record for Thomas Warren. The information from Karen, Margaret, Connie, Nivard and Angie was very helpful in determining that the Thomas Warren who died in 1n 1851 was not the Thomas I am searching for; however, I will continue my research. Again, thank you for taking the time to check out and respond to my request. Marlynn Johnson Ocean City, NJ USA

On 01/06/2014 18:03, MARGARET TAYLOR wrote: > Hi Connie, > > I checked the FREE BMD website. There are 2 Thomas Warren's, whose deaths are registered > between the Quarters ending March 1851 and December 1853 (ie. January 1851 to December 1853). > > Both of them passed away in 1851 - one in the quarter ending in March 1851, and the second > in the quarter ending in June 1851. The March 1851 entry has been "double keyed" which means > that is has been entered TWICE, while the other is a lighter shade of gray, so "Single Keyed". > > There are no "age of death" on the entries, but thought that these might give you a > "few threads" to follow. It wasn't me who was interested in finding Thomas WARREN's death but Marlyn. I believe "double keyed" means an entry has been double checked, single keyed means it hasn't and that the lighter colour means there could be data missing. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hi Angie That would tie up with the one pre 1851 census registration Deaths Mar 1851 WARREN Thomas Leicester 15 74 Unfortunately the National Burial is far from complete (or National for that matter) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/06/2014 17:56, Angie Millard wrote: > Hi > >>From the National Burial Index for Leicestershire during those years there > is only one Thomas Warren, buried at St Margarets, Leicester, 16 Feb 1851, > he is aged only 4, I have also checked the Leicestershire & Rutland > Burial Index and only found the same entry for those years. > > Angie

On 01/06/2014 16:21, Marlyn wrote: > If sks has a death index for Leicestershire, I am trying to locate the death > of Thomas Warren who died in Leicestershire in the years 1851-1853. Thomas > Warren was born about 1813 and was a brick maker by trade. Have you tried for a burial on www.freereg.org.uk ? It won't give you the date of death which would have been approximately 7 days before the burial nor the cause of death. English and Welsh death certificates don't give the names of the parents or children unless the deceased was a child. It will give the father's name in the occupation column and the mother might be the informant. In the case of an adult, an older or adult child might be the informant. You could also try Deceased Online (http://www.deceasedonline.com/). It is a PAYG site which you can search free of charge and which does sometimes give the date of death. It is a volunteer led site so still a work in progress. I've found this site useful with what is or is not on English and Welsh certificates: http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Hi Marlynn We have a national index for deaths which you can access for free from anywhere in the world, it covers all of England and Wales from mid 1837 onwards http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ It is an ongoing project but almost complete to post 1940 In 1851 to 1853 there is only one post 1851 census Deaths Jun 1851 Warren Thomas Leicester 15 73 The next is Deaths Dec 1854 Warren Thomas Loughbro' 7a 66 Unfortunately ages are not recorded until 1866 in the index NB when it says Jun 1851 it means registered in the June quarter of 1851 which are the months April, May and June To get more you would need to order the certificate, if no one can help with a burial Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/06/2014 16:21, Marlyn wrote: > If sks has a death index for Leicestershire, I am trying to locate the death > of Thomas Warren who died in Leicestershire in the years 1851-1853. Thomas > Warren was born about 1813 and was a brick maker by trade. > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Marlynn Johnson > > Ocean City, NJ > > USA

Hi >From the National Burial Index for Leicestershire during those years there is only one Thomas Warren, buried at St Margarets, Leicester, 16 Feb 1851, he is aged only 4, I have also checked the Leicestershire & Rutland Burial Index and only found the same entry for those years. Angie On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Marlyn <rwj1939@comcast.net> wrote: > If sks has a death index for Leicestershire, I am trying to locate the > death > of Thomas Warren who died in Leicestershire in the years 1851-1853. Thomas > Warren was born about 1813 and was a brick maker by trade. > > > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Marlynn Johnson > > Ocean City, NJ > > USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >