Bill, An 1879 Irish marriage certificate, while it won’t give the mother, it will give the fathers of the marrying parties (unless either the bride or groom were illegitimate). David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Bill Webster via Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:15 AM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 I do castigate myself that I had not yet found the marriage in Dublin that Marianne has contributed - thank you. I was half way down that route. Like the marriage registration records that you were warning of in England, the Irish ones likewise will not show the parents. Bill Webster Near Sydney --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Sorry for typo - I have quite a few Richard Websters in my family, including my son. Obviously it should read: Dr Richard Rupert Johnston. Bill -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Webster via Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 10:42 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 Lol, what an arrogant response. A burial record, a gravestone (at Sutton Bridge, or Sutton St Mary’s? - I do not know the locality) or an obituary in a local paper was what I sought help and advice from this list for. Clutching at straws. Very local items. And I have had kinder responses here. Thanks for the gratis advice but I have spent quite a few hours at many sources, including your obvious suggestions, Brian. If my post was read before you replied, you can see that I have listed son Richard aged 11 in the 1891 Census. And interestingly, this census reports that son Richard was born “At sea” [Source Ancestry.com]. I can also report that Ancestry transcribed Nora as Rosa in the 1881 census but looking at the image the mistake was clear. Perhaps Richard and Nora married in France, or Mauritius, or Noumea, en route to Dublin! But I have not found them in Ireland, yet. I am not experienced at births at sea. Any advice gratefully accepted. Since my post I can report from the Calendars of Wills at both London and Dublin that Dr Richard Rupert Webster died on 17 July 1891, aged only about 41 leaving a young wife and three children under 12 and presumably a community mourning the premature loss of their local doctor. His executors were his wife, of Sutton Bridge, and a Rev James Adams of Kill rectory Saffran Co Kildare. Unlike Leicestershire or Lincolnshire, I am really quite experienced at Irish research, thank you. If you need some help there I’d be go out of my way to help. But no-one knows everything. I am happy to seek, and to offer, help, as do so many. Best wishes Bill From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 7:22 PM To: Dora McCarthy; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Cc: Bill Webster Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 Bill, I would give this advice to all researchers - if you are serious about Family History then invest in a subscription to either Ancestry or Find my Past and you should be able to solve most of your problems yourself. You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. If you were to check on the 1881 census you would find Richard and his wife living in Wymondham with a son, also called Richard, who you obviously did not know about. His age is given as 1 year, but it looks like a previous entry of 17 months has been crossed out. The birthplace of this son is shown as Dublin, Ireland, so it is a fair bet that Richard senior and Nora married in Ireland.I would presume that this son died as you have not found him in 1891, so you would have to search deaths for this period - also available on either of the above subscription sites. I do not have access to Irish record within my subscriptions to either Ancestry of Find my Past so I cannot help you further, but at least you have a starting point. Brian Binns On 20 January 2015 at 07:06, Dora McCarthy via <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > Hello > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > list and this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 > census, where his daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have > some help please? > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never seen > the name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > where he died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am > really desperate to find out who his father was. > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > Sutton Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His > wife is Nora Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three > children Richard 11, Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray > district Dec Q > 1882) and > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1887). > > Thank you > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 shillings & 6pence. 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the Executors. 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there before moving to Sutton Bridge. D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Brian Binns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lol, what an arrogant response. A burial record, a gravestone (at Sutton Bridge, or Sutton St Mary’s? - I do not know the locality) or an obituary in a local paper was what I sought help and advice from this list for. Clutching at straws. Very local items. And I have had kinder responses here. Thanks for the gratis advice but I have spent quite a few hours at many sources, including your obvious suggestions, Brian. If my post was read before you replied, you can see that I have listed son Richard aged 11 in the 1891 Census. And interestingly, this census reports that son Richard was born “At sea” [Source Ancestry.com]. I can also report that Ancestry transcribed Nora as Rosa in the 1881 census but looking at the image the mistake was clear. Perhaps Richard and Nora married in France, or Mauritius, or Noumea, en route to Dublin! But I have not found them in Ireland, yet. I am not experienced at births at sea. Any advice gratefully accepted. Since my post I can report from the Calendars of Wills at both London and Dublin that Dr Richard Rupert Webster died on 17 July 1891, aged only about 41 leaving a young wife and three children under 12 and presumably a community mourning the premature loss of their local doctor. His executors were his wife, of Sutton Bridge, and a Rev James Adams of Kill rectory Saffran Co Kildare. Unlike Leicestershire or Lincolnshire, I am really quite experienced at Irish research, thank you. If you need some help there I’d be go out of my way to help. But no-one knows everything. I am happy to seek, and to offer, help, as do so many. Best wishes Bill From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 7:22 PM To: Dora McCarthy; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Cc: Bill Webster Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 Bill, I would give this advice to all researchers - if you are serious about Family History then invest in a subscription to either Ancestry or Find my Past and you should be able to solve most of your problems yourself. You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. If you were to check on the 1881 census you would find Richard and his wife living in Wymondham with a son, also called Richard, who you obviously did not know about. His age is given as 1 year, but it looks like a previous entry of 17 months has been crossed out. The birthplace of this son is shown as Dublin, Ireland, so it is a fair bet that Richard senior and Nora married in Ireland.I would presume that this son died as you have not found him in 1891, so you would have to search deaths for this period - also available on either of the above subscription sites. I do not have access to Irish record within my subscriptions to either Ancestry of Find my Past so I cannot help you further, but at least you have a starting point. Brian Binns On 20 January 2015 at 07:06, Dora McCarthy via <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > Hello > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > list and > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where > his > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never > seen the > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > where he > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > desperate > to find out who his father was. > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > Sutton > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife > is Nora > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children > Richard 11, > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1882) and > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1887). > > Thank you > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 shillings & 6pence. 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the Executors. 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there before moving to Sutton Bridge. D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Brian Binns

On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > Hello > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > list and > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where > his > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never > seen the > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > where he > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > desperate > to find out who his father was. > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > Sutton > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife > is Nora > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children > Richard 11, > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1882) and > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1887). > > Thank you > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 shillings & 6pence. 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the Executors. 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there before moving to Sutton Bridge. D McCarthy. Queensland Aust.

Hi, I have found the following marriage on Ancestry which may help you to track down a certificate with his father's name. Richard Johnston to Nora Alice Marie Sandes in Jly/Aug/Sep quarter 1879 Registration District Dublin South Vol 2 Page 573 FHL film 101253 Also on Ancestry there are index references to film records held in the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, but I tried Family Search in vain. Records as follows : Johnston Richard Rupert (Surgeon) 1886 Leicester/Lincoln Film # 101017 Section 2 Johnston Richard Rupert (County Surgeon) 1886 Leicester Film # 581931 T12806 Johnston Richard (Esq - MD) 1876 Dublin Film # 4969365 T14068 1 - 5 Good luck with your search. Regards, Marianne

I have already sent a link to the website of the church which has photos of all the gravestones in the churchyard. Brian Binns On 20 Jan 2015 16:17, "Alison Leedham via" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > By sheer chance I was in Sutton Bridge last October. There certainly is a > church there with a graveyard with quite a lot of legible graves of that > era. However, if he is from Dublin, then isn't there a good chance he > would be Catholic and therefore not buried in the local church where he > died? > > I am a little surprised that his death doesn't come up on a search of the > Newspaper Archives on Find my Past. > > It could be worth joining the Lincolnshire list. Perhaps someone has > better knowledge of the area. > > Alison > Vancouver > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For Bill Webster There is a website for St Matthew Sutton Bridge which contains details and photos of all graves. This is the link http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=207356&personid=438168&scrwidth=1200 Brian Binns

Bill, I see that you have been given some more info from Ancestry by others. To add to this I have found the younger daughter Nora Kathleen in Ireland on the 1901 census listed as a niece of James Adams and his wife Francs Maud Adams age 51, who therefore must be Richard Johnston’s sister. This James Adams is the vicar named in Richard’s will? They are resident in Kill, County Kildare, which fits in with other info you have. This info could be another route to find Richard’s father. I then found Nora on the 1911 census in Manchester Workhouse as a probationer Nurse. She remained single and died aged 90 in Surrey Sept qtr 1977. Her mother Nora Alice Johnson died in 1893 in Kensington registration district. I found Sara Olive Johnson in 1911 as a hospital nurse in London. She is single and though her birthplace is recorded as London, I think this is her and that there was an error on the form. I cannot find her in the 1901 census but there is a death in 1963 in Gloucester for a Sara Johnston aged 81. In the absence of finding a marriage this could be her. I hope the above helps, but at the risk of again seeming to be arrogant I still maintain that all this information is available on subscription sites such as Ancestry, which is what I used. Brian Binns On 20 January 2015 at 02:46, Bill Webster via < leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that list and > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where his > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never seen the > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely where he > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > desperate > to find out who his father was. > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, Sutton > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife is > Nora > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children Richard 11, > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1882) and > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1887). > > Thank you > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Brian Binns

Hello This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that list and this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where his daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never seen the name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely where he died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really desperate to find out who his father was. In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, Sutton Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife is Nora Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children Richard 11, Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1882) and Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1887). Thank you Bill

Hi, I have found the following marriage on Ancestry which may help you to track down a certificate with his father's name. Richard Johnston to Nora Alice Marie Sandes in Jly/Aug/Sep quarter 1879 Registration District Dublin South Vol 2 Page 573 FHL film 101253 Also on Ancestry there are index references to film records held in the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, but I tried Family Search in vain. Records as follows : Johnston Richard Rupert (Surgeon) 1886 Leicester/Lincoln Film # 101017 Section 2 Johnston Richard Rupert (County Surgeon) 1886 Leicester Film # 581931 T12806 Johnston Richard (Esq - MD) 1876 Dublin Film # 4969365 T14068 1 - 5 Good luck with your search. Regards, Marianne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Webster via Sent: 20 January 2015 02:47 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 Hello This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that list and this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where his daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never seen the name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely where he died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really desperate to find out who his father was. In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, Sutton Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife is Nora Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children Richard 11, Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1882) and Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q 1887). Thank you Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill I don't think Dora mentioned but you can order these wills on line now, I did a couple of weeks ago and they send you a link so that you can download them on-line. Good service. The Probate Calendar is on Ancestry too but it is free at: https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills It speeds things up if you already know the date of death. Wills cost £10 each. Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Leics: ADAMS, BANCROFT, BEET, COOK, GOWTAGE/GOWTRIDGE, MEASURES, MORTIMER, NEAL, ROSE, SHARP(E), STATHAM, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: Dora McCarthy via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:06 AM To: Bill Webster ; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > Hello > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > list and > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where > his > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never > seen the > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > where he > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > desperate > to find out who his father was. > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > Sutton > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife > is Nora > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children > Richard 11, > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1882) and > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > 1887). > > Thank you > Bill > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 shillings & 6pence. 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the Executors. 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there before moving to Sutton Bridge. D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, I apologise if you thought my response arrogant. I was merely trying to point out that the information is out there if you are prepared to look for it but you do have to subscribe to some sites to achieve this. Though there are some free sites, and I see that someone else has supplied details of his burial from one such site. And I did miss the reference to son Richard in your email so apologies for suggesting that you missed it. Even with the contradictory info on the 19891 census it's still reasonable to assume that this couple married in Ireland and that is where you should find the name of Richard's father. Wearing sackcloth and ashes I have had a look through the digitised Newspapers on Find my Past but to no avail. There are some references to Richard Johnston when he was based in Wymondham but nothing on his stay in Sutton Bridge. Not all papers have been digitised and with Sutton Bridge being on the border with Norfolk you would hope that there might be a report there, but sadly Norfolk papers have not yet been digitised. I would suggest that you join the Lincs rootsweb forum and maybe someone local could take a photo of Richard.'s gravestone for you - if one exists. I would also add that I too help and have helped many folk on this list. I wish you well in your continued search Brian Binn On 20 January 2015 at 11:41, Bill Webster via < leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lol, what an arrogant response. > > > > A burial record, a gravestone (at Sutton Bridge, or Sutton St Mary’s? - I > do not know the locality) or an obituary in a local paper was what I sought > help and advice from this list for. Clutching at straws. Very local > items. And I have had kinder responses here. Thanks for the gratis > advice but I have spent quite a few hours at many sources, including your > obvious suggestions, Brian. If my post was read before you replied, you > can see that I have listed son Richard aged 11 in the 1891 Census. And > interestingly, this census reports that son Richard was born “At sea” > [Source Ancestry.com]. I can also report that Ancestry transcribed Nora > as Rosa in the 1881 census but looking at the image the mistake was clear. > Perhaps Richard and Nora married in France, or Mauritius, or Noumea, en > route to Dublin! But I have not found them in Ireland, yet. I am not > experienced at births at sea. Any advice gratefully accepted. > > > > Since my post I can report from the Calendars of Wills at both London and > Dublin that Dr Richard Rupert Webster died on 17 July 1891, aged only about > 41 leaving a young wife and three children under 12 and presumably a > community mourning the premature loss of their local doctor. His executors > were his wife, of Sutton Bridge, and a Rev James Adams of Kill rectory > Saffran Co Kildare. > > > > Unlike Leicestershire or Lincolnshire, I am really quite experienced at > Irish research, thank you. If you need some help there I’d be go out of my > way to help. But no-one knows everything. I am happy to seek, and to > offer, help, as do so many. > > > > Best wishes > > Bill > > > > From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 7:22 PM > To: Dora McCarthy; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Cc: Bill Webster > Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 > > > > Bill, > > > > I would give this advice to all researchers - if you are serious about > Family History then invest in a subscription to either Ancestry or Find my > Past and you should be able to solve most of your problems yourself. > > > > You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s > father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. > > > > If you were to check on the 1881 census you would find Richard and his > wife living in Wymondham with a son, also called Richard, who you obviously > did not know about. His age is given as 1 year, but it looks like a > previous entry of 17 months has been crossed out. The birthplace of this > son is shown as Dublin, Ireland, so it is a fair bet that Richard senior > and Nora married in Ireland.I would presume that this son died as you have > not found him in 1891, so you would have to search deaths for this period - > also available on either of the above subscription sites. > > > > I do not have access to Irish record within my subscriptions to either > Ancestry of Find my Past so I cannot help you further, but at least you > have a starting point. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > On 20 January 2015 at 07:06, Dora McCarthy via < > leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > > > Hello > > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > > list and > > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where > > his > > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never > > seen the > > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > > where he > > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > > desperate > > to find out who his father was. > > > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > > Sutton > > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife > > is Nora > > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children > > Richard 11, > > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > > 1882) and > > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > > 1887). > > > > Thank you > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of > England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations > 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON > Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 > shillings & 6pence. > 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston > otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of > Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon > of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at > the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton > Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill > Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the > Executors. > > 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of > Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there > before moving to Sutton Bridge. > D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Binns > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Brian Binns

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:21:42 +0000 Brian Binns via <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Brian, >You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s >father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. And that may not even be accurate; I have cases of a step father being listed(1) or a totally bogus person listed when the person marrying was illegitimate. (1) Many researchers hit that brick wall in that particular line of my family. I got lucky - I won some money on the premium bonds and started buying certificates for all known siblings. It soon came to light that there were two fathers, sharing a surname, but one mother. The one with the wrong 'father' listed would not have known her natural father as he died when she was less than one year old. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You said you ain't had none for weeks, but baby I seen your arms Deny - The Clash

Bill, I would give this advice to all researchers - if you are serious about Family History then invest in a subscription to either Ancestry or Find my Past and you should be able to solve most of your problems yourself. You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. If you were to check on the 1881 census you would find Richard and his wife living in Wymondham with a son, also called Richard, who you obviously did not know about. His age is given as 1 year, but it looks like a previous entry of 17 months has been crossed out. The birthplace of this son is shown as Dublin, Ireland, so it is a fair bet that Richard senior and Nora married in Ireland.I would presume that this son died as you have not found him in 1891, so you would have to search deaths for this period - also available on either of the above subscription sites. I do not have access to Irish record within my subscriptions to either Ancestry of Find my Past so I cannot help you further, but at least you have a starting point. Brian Binns On 20 January 2015 at 07:06, Dora McCarthy via < leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > > > Hello > > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > > list and > > this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 census, where > > his > > daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have some help please? > > > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never > > seen the > > name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > > where he > > died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am really > > desperate > > to find out who his father was. > > > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > > Sutton > > Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His wife > > is Nora > > Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three children > > Richard 11, > > Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > > 1882) and > > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > > 1887). > > > > Thank you > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of > England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations > 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON > Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 > shillings & 6pence. > 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston > otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of > Leicester but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon > of Sutton Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at > the Principal Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton > Bridge Widow the Relict and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill > Rectory Straffan in the County of Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the > Executors. > > 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of > Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there > before moving to Sutton Bridge. > D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Brian Binns

By sheer chance I was in Sutton Bridge last October. There certainly is a church there with a graveyard with quite a lot of legible graves of that era. However, if he is from Dublin, then isn't there a good chance he would be Catholic and therefore not buried in the local church where he died? I am a little surprised that his death doesn't come up on a search of the Newspaper Archives on Find my Past. It could be worth joining the Lincolnshire list. Perhaps someone has better knowledge of the area. Alison Vancouver

>From the National Burial Index there is a burial for Richard Rupert Johnston has a burial 27th July 1891, aged 40, at Sutton Bridge, St.Matthew. I have no other details HTH Angie On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Bill Webster via < leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Sorry for typo - I have quite a few Richard Websters in my family, > including my son. Obviously it should read: Dr Richard Rupert Johnston. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Webster via > Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 10:42 PM > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 > > Lol, what an arrogant response. > > > > A burial record, a gravestone (at Sutton Bridge, or Sutton St Mary’s? - I > do not know the locality) or an obituary in a local paper was what I sought > help and advice from this list for. Clutching at straws. Very local > items. And I have had kinder responses here. Thanks for the gratis > advice but I have spent quite a few hours at many sources, including your > obvious suggestions, Brian. If my post was read before you replied, you > can see that I have listed son Richard aged 11 in the 1891 Census. And > interestingly, this census reports that son Richard was born “At sea” > [Source Ancestry.com]. I can also report that Ancestry transcribed Nora > as Rosa in the 1881 census but looking at the image the mistake was clear. > Perhaps Richard and Nora married in France, or Mauritius, or Noumea, en > route to Dublin! But I have not found them in Ireland, yet. I am not > experienced at births at sea. Any advice gratefully accepted. > > > > Since my post I can report from the Calendars of Wills at both London and > Dublin that Dr Richard Rupert Webster died on 17 July 1891, aged only about > 41 leaving a young wife and three children under 12 and presumably a > community mourning the premature loss of their local doctor. His executors > were his wife, of Sutton Bridge, and a Rev James Adams of Kill rectory > Saffran Co Kildare. > > > > Unlike Leicestershire or Lincolnshire, I am really quite experienced at > Irish research, thank you. If you need some help there I’d be go out of my > way to help. But no-one knows everything. I am happy to seek, and to > offer, help, as do so many. > > > > Best wishes > > Bill > > > > From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2015 7:22 PM > To: Dora McCarthy; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Cc: Bill Webster > Subject: Re: [LEI] Richard Rupert JOHNSTON death 1891 > > > > Bill, > > > > I would give this advice to all researchers - if you are serious about > Family History then invest in a subscription to either Ancestry or Find my > Past and you should be able to solve most of your problems yourself. > > > > You should also be aware that you would only find the name of Richard;'s > father from his (Richard's) marriage certificate. > > > > If you were to check on the 1881 census you would find Richard and his > wife living in Wymondham with a son, also called Richard, who you obviously > did not know about. His age is given as 1 year, but it looks like a > previous entry of 17 months has been crossed out. The birthplace of this > son is shown as Dublin, Ireland, so it is a fair bet that Richard senior > and Nora married in Ireland.I would presume that this son died as you have > not found him in 1891, so you would have to search deaths for this period - > also available on either of the above subscription sites. > > > > I do not have access to Irish record within my subscriptions to either > Ancestry of Find my Past so I cannot help you further, but at least you > have a starting point. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > On 20 January 2015 at 07:06, Dora McCarthy via < > leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > On 20/01/2015, at 12:46 PM, Bill Webster via wrote: > > > Hello > > This request relates to Lincolnshire but I am not a member of that > > list and this man did live in Wymondham at the time of the 1881 > > census, where his daughters were born in 1882 and 1887. May I have > > some help please? > > > > FreeBMD gives the death in the Sep quarter of 1891 in the Holbeach > > registration district of RICHARD RUPERT JOHNSTON, age 40. > > > > I am confident that this is the man I want, although I have never seen > > the name Rupert attached to him before. Can I discover more precisely > > where he died and if there may be a parish record or obituary? I am > > really desperate to find out who his father was. > > > > In the 1891 census, he and his family are living 22 Wharf Street, > > Sutton Bridge. He is Richard Johnston, 42, Surgeon, born Dublin. His > > wife is Nora Alice Marie Johnston, 29 born Normandy France. Three > > children Richard 11, Sara 8 (Sara Olive Johnston, born Melton Mowbray > > district Dec Q > > 1882) and > > Nora 3 (Nora Kathleen Johnston, born Melton Mowbray district Dec Q > > 1887). > > > > Thank you > > Bill > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > body of the message > > Bill, This may be some help The National Probate Calendar of > England & Wales (Index of Wills & Administrations > 1858--1966. Has this Entry for 1891. JOHNSTON > Richard Rupert otherwise Richard. Personal Estate 1,5022 pounds 14 > shillings & 6pence. > 4 Sept The Will with a Codicil of Richard Rupert Johnston > otherwise Richard Johnston formerly of Twyford in the County of Leicester > but late of Sutton Bridge in the County of Lincoln Surgeon of Sutton > Bridge who died 17 July 1891 at Sutton Bridge was Proved at the Principal > Registry by Nora Alice Johnston Johnston of Sutton Bridge Widow the Relict > and the Reverand James Adams of of Kill Rectory Straffan in the County of > Kildare in Ireland Clerk two of the Executors. > > 4 Sept 1891 is the date the Will was proved. When it says formerly of > Twyford it doesn't mean he was born there, just that he lived there before > moving to Sutton Bridge. > D McCarthy. Queensland Aust. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Binns > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

January 1915 saw the first ever Air Raids on England by Zeppelins. Apparently they were supposed to fly to the Humber ports but were blown off course by winds, and ended up dropping bombs on Kings Lynn and Great Yarmouth. Brian Binns

Hi Chris Sorry about that; wasn't getting any e-mails but I am now. You may recall we had an excahnge towards the end of the year. Best wishes Mary On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Chris Mahoney via < leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All > > No test messages to the list please. > > If you do want to check if a mailing list is working, a better idea > would be to send an actual message to the list, one containing > appropriate matter for that list. Never know, but you could end up > getting answers to something you have been trying to obtain for a long > time. > > Thanks > > Chris > Leicester List Admin > > > On 25/12/2014 10:30 p.m., Nivard Ovington via wrote: > > Did we pass ? > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 24/12/2014 18:57, Mary Bryceland via wrote: > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Another Leicester photo from Ebay This is a LOVE from the Leicestershire Regiment taken in March 1915. I can't quite read the street address. 142 Dunster? Street It would be nice to get it back to the right family http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-Leicestershire-Rgmt-Private-Love-with-Address- Glass-Negative-6-by-4-/371223867216?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=ite m566eaaaf50

Hi All This lovely wedding photo has come up on Ebay and I think it could be Frank BUTLER who married Sarah M WALTON 1915 Broughton Astley It would be nice to get it back to the right family http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW1-Leicester-Soldiers-Wedding-1915-Broughton-Astl ey-2-Negative-6-by-4-/391012893637?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item 5b0a2f43c5