http://www.launde.org.uk/ Maybe ?? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CABROWN@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:58 AM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 362 Dear Leicestershire Members, I hope someone can help me. I have discovered on Ancestry.com UK that my ancestor John Brown married Dorothy Gowsey in 1617. Both were of Lawnde Abbey. The marriage was recorded in Book 1 fo. 144. Question: does Lawnde Abbey still exist? Is it a town or perhaps a church? Does Book #1 still exist? Where would it be? Are there research facilities in the area where I could find out more about the Brown and Gowsey families? Any help or ideas you can give me are greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Carole In a message dated 12/3/2007 4:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, leicestershire-plus-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC (A P L) 2. Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Emma Faulkner) 3. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Berry Wraight) 4. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Emma Faulkner) 5. Re: GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC (Elizabeth Agar) 6. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Berry Wraight) 7. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (John De-Hayes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:10:35 +0000 From: A P L <annepaling@hotmail.com> Subject: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY130-W2645229540E418EB4BEA51D66C0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:33:01 +0000 From: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Subject: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Leicestershire plus" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <46e385820712030233k4e4c7ddap2b91e6a84faab597@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not appear on multimap: http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24 234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20 Le icester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &s t=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking up Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? Cheers Em -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:51:28 +0000 From: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <d176498b0712030251h4796e971uca17f56cad887854@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > appear on multimap: > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,% 2 0Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking > up > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > Cheers > > Em > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:56:19 +0000 From: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <46e385820712030256p736f7723s4d89a7ce70ae2eee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Berry Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park and little thatched cottages. But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... Cheers Em On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > Cheers > > Berry > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > where > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford, %20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com /m aps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB:5 2. 68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Le ic estershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > looking up > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > Cheers > > > > Em > > > > > > > > -- > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:52:04 +1100 From: "Elizabeth Agar" <emagar@hotkey.net.au> Subject: Re: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC To: "'A P L'" <annepaling@hotmail.com>, <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001c835a2$ec6909e0$0201a8c0@useree29f53535> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Anne, This might be useful - found via the GENUKI page for England - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/counties.htm#chaos Also for a counties map - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/countmap.htm Cheers, Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A P L Sent: Monday, 3 December 2007 8:11 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:28 +0000 From: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <d176498b0712031325g44ed8d9cve41c81098d5545e7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linfor d,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.c om /maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB :5 2.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20 Le icestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:50:28 -0000 From: "John De-Hayes" <johndehayes@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "'Leicestershire plus'" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000f01c835f6$84d57df0$6501a8c0@JohnLaptop2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" A lot of online map suppliers deliberately put incorrect or extra information on their maps so they can check for copyright violations. Google Maps add extra streets, or other features that don't in fact exist. This was highlighted in a TV programme by Nicholas Crane - the guy who presents MapMan and Coast. I lived and worked in this area and I can confirm that there is no such place as Newtown LIMFORD. The map I generated had the name by a water feature, which is known as Groby (pronounced Grooby) Pool. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Berry Wraight Sent: 03 December 2007 21:25 To: Emma Faulkner Cc: Leicestershire plus Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,% 20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/ maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB: 52.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%2 0Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dear Leicestershire Members, I hope someone can help me. I have discovered on Ancestry.com UK that my ancestor John Brown married Dorothy Gowsey in 1617. Both were of Lawnde Abbey. The marriage was recorded in Book 1 fo. 144. Question: does Lawnde Abbey still exist? Is it a town or perhaps a church? Does Book #1 still exist? Where would it be? Are there research facilities in the area where I could find out more about the Brown and Gowsey families? Any help or ideas you can give me are greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Carole In a message dated 12/3/2007 4:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, leicestershire-plus-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC (A P L) 2. Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Emma Faulkner) 3. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Berry Wraight) 4. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Emma Faulkner) 5. Re: GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC (Elizabeth Agar) 6. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (Berry Wraight) 7. Re: Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford (John De-Hayes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:10:35 +0000 From: A P L <annepaling@hotmail.com> Subject: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY130-W2645229540E418EB4BEA51D66C0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:33:01 +0000 From: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Subject: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Leicestershire plus" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <46e385820712030233k4e4c7ddap2b91e6a84faab597@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not appear on multimap: http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24 234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20Le icester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&s t=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking up Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? Cheers Em -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:51:28 +0000 From: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <d176498b0712030251h4796e971uca17f56cad887854@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > appear on multimap: > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%2 0Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking > up > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > Cheers > > Em > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:56:19 +0000 From: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <46e385820712030256p736f7723s4d89a7ce70ae2eee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Berry Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park and little thatched cottages. But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... Cheers Em On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > Cheers > > Berry > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > where > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford, %20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/m aps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB:52. 68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leic estershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > looking up > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > Cheers > > > > Em > > > > > > > > -- > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:52:04 +1100 From: "Elizabeth Agar" <emagar@hotkey.net.au> Subject: Re: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC To: "'A P L'" <annepaling@hotmail.com>, <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001c835a2$ec6909e0$0201a8c0@useree29f53535> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Anne, This might be useful - found via the GENUKI page for England - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/counties.htm#chaos Also for a counties map - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/countmap.htm Cheers, Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A P L Sent: Monday, 3 December 2007 8:11 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:28 +0000 From: "Berry Wraight" <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> Cc: Leicestershire plus <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <d176498b0712031325g44ed8d9cve41c81098d5545e7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linfor d,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com /maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB:5 2.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Le icestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:50:28 -0000 From: "John De-Hayes" <johndehayes@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford To: "'Leicestershire plus'" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000f01c835f6$84d57df0$6501a8c0@JohnLaptop2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" A lot of online map suppliers deliberately put incorrect or extra information on their maps so they can check for copyright violations. Google Maps add extra streets, or other features that don't in fact exist. This was highlighted in a TV programme by Nicholas Crane - the guy who presents MapMan and Coast. I lived and worked in this area and I can confirm that there is no such place as Newtown LIMFORD. The map I generated had the name by a water feature, which is known as Groby (pronounced Grooby) Pool. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Berry Wraight Sent: 03 December 2007 21:25 To: Emma Faulkner Cc: Leicestershire plus Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,% 20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/ maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB: 52.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%2 0Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Anne, This might be useful - found via the GENUKI page for England - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/counties.htm#chaos Also for a counties map - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/countmap.htm Cheers, Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A P L Sent: Monday, 3 December 2007 8:11 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] GUIDE TO ADMINISTRATIVE MAZE OF COUNTIES ETC I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K.

A lot of online map suppliers deliberately put incorrect or extra information on their maps so they can check for copyright violations. Google Maps add extra streets, or other features that don't in fact exist. This was highlighted in a TV programme by Nicholas Crane - the guy who presents MapMan and Coast. I lived and worked in this area and I can confirm that there is no such place as Newtown LIMFORD. The map I generated had the name by a water feature, which is known as Groby (pronounced Grooby) Pool. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Berry Wraight Sent: 03 December 2007 21:25 To: Emma Faulkner Cc: Leicestershire plus Subject: Re: [LEI] Newtown Linford/Newtown Limford Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1. 24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,% 20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/ maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB: 52.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%2 0Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500 &st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1167 - Release Date: 03/12/2007 12:20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1167 - Release Date: 03/12/2007 12:20

Indeed I did, I had not realised that you were talking about the village being shown in the wrong place. Will be interested in maps.live's view on that!! Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Berry > > Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - > I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park > and little thatched cottages. > > But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to > the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any > other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know > that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... > > Cheers > > Em > > On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > > > Cheers > > > > Berry > > > > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner < schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > > where > > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby > > > Pool: > > > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? > > > I'm > > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as > > > I > > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > > looking up > > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

Hi Berry Think you missed the point slightly!! There is indeed a Newtown LiNford - I have been there and it's a lovely village with views over Bradgate Park and little thatched cottages. But if you look on maps.live.com, you will see ANOTHER village, just to the South West, called Newtown LiMford. This village does not exist on any other map that I know of!! It also does not exist in Leicestershire - I know that area quite well, as I live in Whitwick which is just up the road... Cheers Em On 03/12/2007, Berry Wraight <berry.wraight@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown > Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, > > Cheers > > Berry > > > On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com , > > where > > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > > > > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > > appear on multimap: > > > > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200<http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB%7Cnewtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234%7C14%7C4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14%7Cnewtown%20linford%7CNewtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200> > > > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are > > looking up > > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > > > Cheers > > > > Em > > > > > > > > -- > > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

Hold on! I have just clicked into Google maps and it is there as Newtown Li N ford. It is north west of Leicester, Cheers Berry On 03/12/2007, Emma Faulkner <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where > they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: > > > http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 > > Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not > appear on multimap: > > > http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 > > Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps > > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 > > I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm > thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I > imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking > up > Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? > > Cheers > > Em > > > > -- > http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I don't know if anyone else has noticed an anomaly on maps.live.com, where they've invented a village called 'Newtown Limford' next to Groby Pool: http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.ssb74tgwxkpj_Untitled%20item___&encType=1 Well, I've been puzzled by this for a while. The same village does not appear on multimap: http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|newtown%20linford#t=l&map=52.67687,-1.24234|14|4&loc=GB:52.68334:-1.23101:14|newtown%20linford|Newtown%20Linford,%20Leicester,%20Leicestershire,%20England,%20LE6%200 Or indeed on the Ordnance Survey Maps, or on Streetmaps http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=451500&y=309500&z=5&sv=451500,309500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=451500&ay=309500 I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this extra village? I'm thinking of e-mailing maps.live.com and pointing out their mistake, as I imagine this could be somewhat confusing for genealogists who are looking up Leicestershire villages but don't know the area? Cheers Em -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

I am looking for a simple, repeat simple, and easily understandable guide to the county, parish, etc set up in England. Is there one on line? I love maps and geography was one of my "best" subjects at school so I find myself trying to explain proximity or not of locations to Listers on a fairly frequent basis. I have a record of several very useful map sites. I usually have one or the other alongside me when I am researching. However, I have never found an good explanation of the relationship between the various administrative levels in England in 19th century and before on line. Any ideas? Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K.

Dear Charlotte, I believe we have recently communicated via Genes Reunited. I have Henry, Elizabeth and their descendants in my FOGG tree, as DICKENS married into the FOGG family and I researched the DICKENS ancestors on behalf of my cousin Keith DICKENS of Leicester. I do not, however, know the parents of Elizabeth, as my key area of interest was the DICKENS line itself. You can visit my tree and see what I have on the DICKENS family at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=judy_evans&I11.x=35& I11.y=7 Best wishes, Judy Evans (nee SOARS) Message: 6 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:37:21 -0500 From: "charlotte roy" <charloroy@googlemail.com> Subject: [LEI] Dickens/dickins To: leicestershire-Plus@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c07e94000712011637m22534de4w81684e06de61e588@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am interested in finding a HENRY DICKENS/DICKINS who married ELIZABETH SELBY. I am hoping she was the daughter of THOMAS and ALICE SELBY.ELIZABETHb 29 dec,1839 lough,leics, married the 19 aug, 1860 and she died 17 sept, 1896. Thank you.

Hi Jackie, Sometimes I think it was just easier to marry by licence. An ancestor, John Riley of Bottesford LEI married by licence in 1790 in Nottingham. He was a miller, and his bride was from Nottingham; John got the marriage licence one day and married the next. I haven't checked yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if he went to Nottingham for market day, got the marriage licence, stayed overnight, got married the next day and brought his bride back home with him. Their first child wasn't born for a year after the marriage, so I don't think a bump was the reason, it may just have been less hassle and travelling. Also, strictly speaking if they'd married by banns in Nottingham John should have been resident there for the 3 weeks that the banns were called. As he didn't have a mill there he couldn't have worked, so he'd have lost 3 week's money and have to have paid for 3 weeks board & lodgings. Regards, Ellie > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:26:35 -0000 > From: "Jackie Evans" <jevans06@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: [LEI] Marriage licences > To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001c83469$3bca1910$b35e4b30$@co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Everybody > In the 18C how much more expensive was it to be married by licence than by > banns? Or was it not more expensive? > > I've assumed that licences were preferred by (a) the well to do (who didn't > want the common herd to know of their business) or (b) non-conformists (who > wouldn't normally attend church) or (c) where expediency was required (eg an > imminent confinement). > > Why would an illiterate husbandman (a smallholder I believe) who doesn't > fall into any of the above categories choose to be married by licence? > > Regards > Jackie (South Wales)

You mention "lough,leics" as the location for this family - do you mean "Loughborough"? So far as I am aware -there is no place called "lough" in Leicestershire. My gt gt gt gt gran was a DICKINS from Leicestershire.Anne PalingSHEFFIELD, U.K.> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:37:21 -0500> From: charloroy@googlemail.com> To: leicestershire-Plus@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LEI] Dickens/dickins> > I am interested in finding a HENRY DICKENS/DICKINS who married ELIZABETH> SELBY. I am hoping she was the daughter of THOMAS and ALICE> SELBY.ELIZABETHb 29 dec,1839 lough,leics, married the 19 aug, 1860 and> she died 17 sept,> 1896. Thank you.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marriage by common licence could be for any of several reasons. Marriages were required to take place where at least one of the couple had permanent residence. This might not have been possible if the couple were away from home. If the couple lived in different dioceses a special licence may have been necessary from the archbishop. The couple might wish to marry quickly because of pregnancy or because the groom was due to go abroad with the army. Some just wanted to avoid the publicity of banns or simply because they could afford it and regarded it as a status symbol. The granting of a licence would have cost considerably more than banns. The granting was subject to an allegation and bond being provided involving ones family or friends and legal costs. Tony. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Evans Sent: 01 December 2007 22:27 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Marriage licences Hello Everybody In the 18C how much more expensive was it to be married by licence than by banns? Or was it not more expensive? I've assumed that licences were preferred by (a) the well to do (who didn't want the common herd to know of their business) or (b) non-conformists (who wouldn't normally attend church) or (c) where expediency was required (eg an imminent confinement). Why would an illiterate husbandman (a smallholder I believe) who doesn't fall into any of the above categories choose to be married by licence? Regards Jackie (South Wales) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jackie, Are you sure that he wasn't a non-conformist ? In the second half of the 18th century, there was a lot of it about in Leicestershire. If you would like to post details of the name and place, there's a chance someone may recognise the family, or at least be able to say whether there were non-conformist churches in the area. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Evans Sent: 01 December 2007 22:27 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Marriage licences Hello Everybody In the 18C how much more expensive was it to be married by licence than by banns? Or was it not more expensive? I've assumed that licences were preferred by (a) the well to do (who didn't want the common herd to know of their business) or (b) non-conformists (who wouldn't normally attend church) or (c) where expediency was required (eg an imminent confinement). Why would an illiterate husbandman (a smallholder I believe) who doesn't fall into any of the above categories choose to be married by licence? Regards Jackie (South Wales)

Hello Everybody In the 18C how much more expensive was it to be married by licence than by banns? Or was it not more expensive? I've assumed that licences were preferred by (a) the well to do (who didn't want the common herd to know of their business) or (b) non-conformists (who wouldn't normally attend church) or (c) where expediency was required (eg an imminent confinement). Why would an illiterate husbandman (a smallholder I believe) who doesn't fall into any of the above categories choose to be married by licence? Regards Jackie (South Wales)

Any one any place in England related to Wm Hammond born abt 1793 in Kent,Sheppy,Bobbin. No wife listed in the 1841 census. Hanna abt 182 Eliza abt.1832 John abt.1834 William abt 11836 -1838 Mary Calway abt.1832 listed on census as Dau. Angelina abt 1840-1841 Matilda 12,1829 my grt. grt grandmother, married James Dolman

Looking for any family of Eliza Browning born abt. 1841 Kings Ferry,Kent, Parish:Minster,town of Sheerness. Also Emma Bryson born, abt 1853 Woolwich,Kent, town of Sheerness Nina USA

I, too, am happy with FTM 2005. My main complaint is that I cannot order the information that I choose to include on a tree printout (of *any* kind) chronologically. I would love to see the marriage date interspersed within the various census details in the appropriate place but instead have to place it before them all or after them all <grrrr> I contacted FTM support (some time ago) and they confirmed that I couldn't order them chronologically. Heather Q Martin Brown wrote: > I have FTM 2005 and it doesn't seem to have any difficulty pasting into > the notes. The key combination ctrl-v pastes whatever is in the paste > buffer. > (And ctrl-c will copy any selection into the paste buffer) > > The only really annoying fault I have found with it was that it was > totally incompatible with printing on my parents cheap Epson 860 printer > for some strange reason everything was white on white. Other programs > printed OK.

I am interested in finding a HENRY DICKENS/DICKINS who married ELIZABETH SELBY. I am hoping she was the daughter of THOMAS and ALICE SELBY.ELIZABETHb 29 dec,1839 lough,leics, married the 19 aug, 1860 and she died 17 sept, 1896. Thank you.

I have a George HOLT b abt 1826, possibly Thurlaston. He was a gardener and seedsman in 1861 in Market Harborough. Later he was a butcher. He married Elizabeth CARTER in 1846 and George named his father as John HOLT, ag lab. Does anyone know who John's wife was? And whether George had any other siblings by John and his wife? Hope someone can help. Suzie (from Orkney)