Yes. Caroline was often shortened to Carrie. Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TERRY / IRENE. Sent: Monday, 3 March 2008 7:24 AM To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] name in 1895 Hi list, can someone tell me if he name caroline would be shortened to carrie around 1895 ish. many thanks, terry.

Hi Readers I'm after info on the following. GARNER Pre. 1800 BRIANS Pre 1800 NUTT Pre 1780 ALLAN/ALLIN Pre 1780 STROUD Pre 1800 BOTT Pre. 1800 WARD Pre 1770 I am also trying to find any info on the daughters of Jesse BRAMLEY.He was born in 1902 and had 2 daughters Gaynor and Jacqueline who would have been born in the 1930s in Leicester. Many Thanks Terry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3300 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Dear List, Mentioned in a conveyance dated in the year 1747 is a property named as a "sawhouse". It is mentioned amongst other properties such as 3 tenements, slaughterhouse, stable, carpenter's shop, buildings and croft. As this may be connected to an ancestor of mine who was a "sawyer" I was wondering if it was a workshop or such were sawyers worked. Can anyone clarify please? Best Regards George Rainham

Hi Terry, Yes, indeed. A great aunt of mine, born in 1898, was known to everyone as Carrie. Her full name was Caroline. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TERRY / IRENE. Sent: 02 March 2008 20:24 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] name in 1895 Hi list, can someone tell me if he name caroline would be shortened to carrie around 1895 ish. many thanks, terry. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Terry Although I have never come across that it does not preclude it happening The fact is that any name can be changed, altered, shortened, abbreviated to just about anything Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi list, > can someone tell me if he name caroline would be shortened to > carrie around 1895 ish. > > many thanks, > > terry.

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Hi Peter---Can`t get through on your e-mail address No I don`t think they are connected.Mine originated in Warks in Willey (William and Elizabeth Perkins grandparents of " Ann nee Smith",Monks Kirby and Newbold on Avon.I discovered that John Perkins (wife Ann nee Smith) was the son of a John Perkins and his wife (nee Ann Perkins ) of Newbold on Avon. I hope there wasn`t too much intermarriage ! Thanks for replying anyway. Liz >----Original Message---- >From: peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk >Date: 01/03/2008 17:56 >To: <rogerhowgill@tiscali.co.uk>, <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [LEI] Perkins > >Hi Liz > >There seem to have been several PERKINS families in the Market Harborough >area in the lat C19 and early C20. I don't see any connection between yours >and mine who appear to have come from Glooston via Kibworth Beauchamp and >Wilbarston, where Martha Ann PERKINS married William SWINGLER from Stoke >Albany in 1873 - they were my Great Grandparents. They eventually moved to >Little Bowden where they died in 1907 (Martha) and 1918 (William). Happy to >exchange details if you wish. > >All best wishes > >Peter > >Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot >Edinburgh, Scotland >peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk >Researching >BRUCE, FOLWELL, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Leics, Northants) >HAUGHAN, JOHNSTONE, RICHARDSON (Annandale, Cumberland, Durham) >DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, JACK(SON), KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow, Perth) > > > > __________________________________________________ Up to 33% off Norton Security from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc/

My grandmother was born in 1870 in Derbyshire. Her name was Caroline and she was always known as "Carrie". Marilyn in Oregon USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY / IRENE." <i.risien@ntlworld.com> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [LEI] name in 1895 > > Hi list, > can someone tell me if he name caroline would be shortened to > carrie around 1895 ish. > > many thanks, > > terry. > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello list I have a theory that I would like some opinions on. This is what I know: Mary SMITH married William ORME 1834 Netherseal 1851 Census William and Mary ORME at Woodville with nephew Thomas SMITH 11yrs born Birmingham and niece Mary Ann SMITH 9yrs born Birmingham. Mary Ann SMITH married William NADIN 1864 Woodville. Mary is listed as a spinster and her father is listed as Thomas NEWBOLD (this came from Brett Payne's transcription - I have not seen the original). 1871 Census William and Mary Ann NADIN at Hartshorne 1881 Census William and Mary Ann NADIN at The Boundary DBY, William ORME listed as father to head of household. This is what I think: Thomas and Mary Ann SMITH are siblings and probably the children one of Mary's siblings (her sister Frances (my 3xGt grandmother) seems the most likely). It appears very likely that William and Mary ORME had no children of their own, but they raised these 2 children as their own. William ORME as listed on the 1881 Census is not William NADIN's father or stepfather, he is Mary Ann NADIN's "father". Mary ORME died before the 1881 Census and William went to live with his "daughter" and her family. Do these assumptions seem logical, or am I clutching at straws? I've tried to find birth & baptism for the SMITH children, but there are too many possibilities. Is it likely that Thomas NEWBOLD really is Mary Ann's father? How could I find out more about him - I'm especially interested to know if he is the same Thomas NEWBOLD who is listed as the father of Thomas NEWBOLD who married at Woodville only a month before Mary Ann. OR (and this is a bit of a leap) is the groom Thomas NEWBOLD really Thomas SMITH - he changed his name when he found out his father's name? I'm open to all opinions and suggestions on this Sandra

I wonder if any body has information about my grandfathers family. His name was T Watts and he lived in Church Street Oadby. When I knew him in the 1930,s he was the verger of the church. He had three children, a boy Arthur and two daughters, Mary and Eve.

Hi list, Yesterdays updated with masses of new names and places for removals. It is worth remembering that a number of folks lived a long time in some parishes before being removed. One I saw Yesterday had them being removed in 1768 having lived in the parish under a Settlement Certificate since 1697. Not all were just turned away having just landed in the parish. Bordering counties of Notts, Staffs, Leics and Yorks and Cheshire figure most in the outside county removals but there are several others further afield. So these are the Parishes with Removals but again it is to where they go that just as important in trying to locate them, so all need to be checked. Hartington, Hathersage, Heanor, Heath, Hognaston, Holmesfield, Hope, Horsley, Hulland Ward, Hulland Ward Intake, Tibshelf, Ticknall, Tideswell, Taddington, Tissington, Wingerworth, Winshill, Wirksworth, Weston on Trent, Whitwell Wilne, Willington, Winster, West Hallam, Whittington, Wormhill,Youlgreave. There are also Ticknall Bastardy. Again thanks to Neil for this tremendous effort. Have fun. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

I would like to thank the people who kindly 'found' my lost family and so quickly. Thank you again. Jackie, Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg]

Hi Liz There seem to have been several PERKINS families in the Market Harborough area in the lat C19 and early C20. I don't see any connection between yours and mine who appear to have come from Glooston via Kibworth Beauchamp and Wilbarston, where Martha Ann PERKINS married William SWINGLER from Stoke Albany in 1873 - they were my Great Grandparents. They eventually moved to Little Bowden where they died in 1907 (Martha) and 1918 (William). Happy to exchange details if you wish. All best wishes Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching BRUCE, FOLWELL, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Leics, Northants) HAUGHAN, JOHNSTONE, RICHARDSON (Annandale, Cumberland, Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, JACK(SON), KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow, Perth)

Anyone tracking this family ? 1871 Census Wimbledon St Leicester PERKINS * John 33 b Newbold on Avon " Ann 30 b Mkt Harborough (nee Smith) " Ann dau 10 b Shawell " * Elizabeth dau 8 b Bitteswell " * Jane dau ?6 b Gt Bowden " John son 1 b Leicester In the 1881 census there are only the ones marked * plus PERKINS William son 7 b Leicester and Jane is noted as `Blind` It is William that I have followed back and Ann (nee Smith)is an ancestor of mine,but I am trying to find out what happened to the rest of the family. Liz __________________________________________________ Up to 33% off Norton Security from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc/

But can anyone explain why a whole family of males born c 1825 had the middle Christian names of Napoleon Bonaparte and their sister was Josephine!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Binns To: 'Firebird' ; LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Unusual Christian names Yes I suppose you are right. Just do a search on ancestry on censuses and see how many people born around 1805 have Horatio Nelson as their Christian names, and not just males. Brian Binns

It wasn't just in the early 1800s. My father taught a Napoleon and Josephine Smith in Cheshire in the 1960s. Adrian Prince Sunshine Coast Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Unusual Christian names > Mike wrote: >> But can anyone explain why a whole family of males born c 1825 had >> the middle Christian names of Napoleon Bonaparte and their sister >> was Josephine!! > > Admirers of Napoleon and Josephine perhaps? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jackie As an experienced user of the Ancestry website, I have learned to use wild-card searches for people who should, but don't, appear first time in the results screen. Ancestry's indexing leaves a lot to be desired and, if you have "many" missing people, the probability is that the forename or surname or age or birthplace or even (in some cases) the county has been misread by the indexer (I have come across cases of Leicestershire being mistranscribed as Lancashire). Try first entering just the surname, year of birth (+/- a few years) and birthplace. You may get a lot of results, but the person you are searching for may be there. If that doesn't work, try omitting even more of the detail - the less restrictive, the better. I have even struck oil by omitting the surname if the person's forename was unusual! Always keep an eye open for names in the results screen which may be misspellings of the name you are looking for. Sometimes, of course, the enumerator made an error in spelling or some other detail when copying from the schedule to his book; and this may be compounded if the head of household was illiterate. Good luck! Best regards John Ward. Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:27:22 +0100 From: Jacqueline Harris <towmed@telefonica.net> Subject: [LEI] 1861 census To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <47C8245A.6080506@telefonica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed I wonder if someone could please tell me why I cannot find many people on the 1861 census for Leicester. Have they not been transcribed or copied i.e. Ancestry? Thank you, Jackie,

My Leicestershire born Great Grandmother, called one of her children. George Edward Baden Powell Mafeking, after Baden Powell the person who first started the Scout Movement. And after a battle he had fought in. Early on in the 1900's. Must have been a hard name for a kid to learn to write. We also have a Cyril St Clair attribituted to her naming her children. Just a weird woman one would suppose. Or Just someone who had a taste for unusual names. The rest were normal names, ie Thomas, David, Albert and Ada to name a few. Quite a handsome young man from his photo. But we all felt very sorry for his name. Which by his nieces and nephews he was known as Uncle Badie. I am inclined to believe, at the time she just wanted a child of hers to have a distinguished name. A Lot of old fashioned names are becoming popular here in Tasmania again. Or might I say unusual names. Kitty Tasmania

Hello List, I don't know about the name Josephine but while working on my other lineage of my greatgrandparents within the USA, Paterson/Patterson I came across the story of Jerome Bonaparte, brother of Napolen Bonaparte whom married against the wishes of Napoleon Bonaparte to a Paterson/Patterson. Though the marriage was eventually nullified (!@##@!@) the children they had included the middle name of Napoleon Bonaparte. I assume it was to try and pacify the ruler..uh family member¿. Just an interesting sidelight. Regards, For I am a storyteller with a tale to spin.... Ezziej Bromwich BROMWICH SCRIBE --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I have a 3xgrandfather by the name of Napoleon B Gauff, born Pennsylvania in 1823. Haven't yet found anything to say that the B stands for Bonaparte but I think the chances are pretty good that it might! He was of German heritage and lived in a German speaking area but his family had been in America for at least 3 generations at that point. Interesting that he was probably named after a French general. Vivian St Thomas VI