I have answered Kerries E Mail . Am I right in saying Market Harborough would cover Great Bowden Thank You Margaret

Hi Readers.I'm trying to trace the death of Sophia GARNER born Brians in Prestwold in1794.She married George GARNER of Humberstone in 1815.The only Sophia GARNER death I can find is in Hinckley and she was married to William GARNER so that's not the one.If some one can help with this one I'll be very grateful.Many Thanks Terry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3489 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

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I would just like to say thank you to both John Cooper and Peter Gainsborough for their prompt assistance. It is much appreciated. Regards Eveline

Hi I am new to this list, but not lists in general. I am trying to find some information on behalf of a friend and I am hoping that there is someone on this list with access to the 1891 and 1901 censuses for Leicester. Her Grandfather was a Arhur HOBELL who was born in Leicester c 1880-1881. I did find a birth on freeBMD registered in June 1881 and there was only 1 Arthur Hobell listed. I think I may have found him on the 1881 census, however, he was listed as 1 year old as opposed to just a couple of months, so there a slight discrepancy, although, I know that the censuses can quite often be incorrect. Arthur married a Emma FOXON in 1904. If anyone can help me "prove" that both these Arthurs are one and the same, it would help my search for her ancestors. Sorry I forgot, the 1881 census has father Thomas aged 42 and mother Sarah aged 38. Regards Eveline

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Hi Does anyone have access to the Marriage Registers for Kimcote & Walton and/or Lutterworth please that could look something up for me? Regards Gordon

Hi Elizabeth Did Thomas & Annie have any children? If one was an Edward, then this makes the first set of parents more probable. The mother’s first name was the same for both pairs of parents so can’t use this with any daughters. Hope this helps. Regards Geraldine Researching in Derbyshire: ADAMS, BANCROFT, BEET, EVANS, GEORGE, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, MORTIMER, MEE, PROUDMAN, SHARPE, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth York Sent: 01 April 2008 13:54 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Thomas STEVENS b 1842/1843 Enderby Hi List I'm still doing work on the families of ENDERBY and I've come across a problem with identifying which THOMAS STEVENS is which. Ordering a marriage certificate would solve the problem but....also costs £7! Here are the 2 in question:- 1) Thomas STEVENS bapt 25 September 1842 Enderby - Son of Edward STEVENS & Maria HARRISON. (Listed as 8 years old on the 1851 census) 2) Thomas STEVENS bapt 26 February 1845 Enderby (although listed as 9 years old in 1851 census so estimate birth to be 1842/1843). Son of William STEVENS & Maria BIGGS The problem arises when 1 of the Thomas' is buried 22 May 1858 in Enderby at the age of 16 years (but with no grave or info about parents on the records) The surviving Thomas STEVENS is then in the following places in the census' away from any other identifying family! 1861 - Lubbesthorpe as a Cowman Servant 1871 - Bagworth as a Farm Servant 1881 - Seckington, Warks - now married to an Annie (who was born in Rothley) 1891 - Chilcote, Derbys - still with Annie 1901 - Carlton, Leics Does anyone claim the surviving THOMAS STEVENS as theirs? And can solve the problem? Hope someone can! Thanks Elizabeth Enderby census & bmd on my website www.theyorks.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I'm still doing work on the families of ENDERBY and I've come across a problem with identifying which THOMAS STEVENS is which. Ordering a marriage certificate would solve the problem but....also costs £7! Here are the 2 in question:- 1) Thomas STEVENS bapt 25 September 1842 Enderby - Son of Edward STEVENS & Maria HARRISON. (Listed as 8 years old on the 1851 census) 2) Thomas STEVENS bapt 26 February 1845 Enderby (although listed as 9 years old in 1851 census so estimate birth to be 1842/1843). Son of William STEVENS & Maria BIGGS The problem arises when 1 of the Thomas' is buried 22 May 1858 in Enderby at the age of 16 years (but with no grave or info about parents on the records) The surviving Thomas STEVENS is then in the following places in the census' away from any other identifying family! 1861 - Lubbesthorpe as a Cowman Servant 1871 - Bagworth as a Farm Servant 1881 - Seckington, Warks - now married to an Annie (who was born in Rothley) 1891 - Chilcote, Derbys - still with Annie 1901 - Carlton, Leics Does anyone claim the surviving THOMAS STEVENS as theirs? And can solve the problem? Hope someone can! Thanks Elizabeth Enderby census & bmd on my website www.theyorks.org.uk

Sounds like a good idea, Maggie. I'll try that. Thanks. John ----- Original Message ---- From: "Halfajigsaw@aol.com" <Halfajigsaw@aol.com> To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Cc: john.riley29@btopenworld.com Sent: Saturday, 29 March, 2008 8:16:08 AM Subject: Re: Bushloe House John, Historical Directories has Kelly's 1916 which shows Bushloe House occupied by Mrs Owston. http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ Assuming Harvey Ingram Owston Solicitors are connected to Owston the solicitor of Bushloe House - maybe they could help? http://www.harveyingram.com/ Good luck!! Maggie Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:12:12 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Bushloe House To: Leicestershire FHS <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7278.44627.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks for that, Janet. I wonder if the "Mrs G." referred to on the postcard was Mr Gunning's wife (perhaps they looked after the house while the Owstons owned it?). I see from searching on the internet that Hiram Owston died in 1905 aged 75; so I wonder who was actually living there in 1916? Looking further, I see there is a contact e-mail address for a descendant of the Owston family, which I will try! Best wishes, John http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/ Please copy your reply to ozdais@hotmail.com as AOL does not receive mail from all ISP's!! Thanks

John, Historical Directories has Kelly's 1916 which shows Bushloe House occupied by Mrs Owston. http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ Assuming Harvey Ingram Owston Solicitors are connected to Owston the solicitor of Bushloe House - maybe they could help? http://www.harveyingram.com/ Good luck!! Maggie > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:12:12 +0000 (GMT) > From: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com> > Subject: Re: [LEI] Bushloe House > To: Leicestershire FHS <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7278.44627.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for that, Janet. > > I wonder if the "Mrs G." referred to on the postcard was Mr Gunning's wife > (perhaps they looked after the house while the Owstons owned it?). I see from > searching on the internet that Hiram Owston died in 1905 aged 75; so I > wonder who was actually living there in 1916? > > Looking further, I see there is a contact e-mail address for a descendant of > the Owston family, which I will try! > > Best wishes, > John > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/ Please copy your reply to ozdais@hotmail.com as AOL does not receive mail from all ISP's!! Thanks </HTML>

Thanks for that, Janet. I wonder if the "Mrs G." referred to on the postcard was Mr Gunning's wife (perhaps they looked after the house while the Owstons owned it?). I see from searching on the internet that Hiram Owston died in 1905 aged 75; so I wonder who was actually living there in 1916? Looking further, I see there is a contact e-mail address for a descendant of the Owston family, which I will try! Best wishes, John ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Gamble <Michael.Gamble@btinternet.com> To: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com> Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2008 4:34:51 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Bushloe House Hello John, Bushloe house Was built in 1850,built and owned by Stephen fry an architect then in 1866 Hiram abiff Owston bought it. The Owston family owned it until 1940 then a Mr gunning owned it for a short while then he sold it and it became the wigston council offices that`s all my book on Wigston has Janet

Dear List Can anyone help me find the marriage of James GRIFFITHS and Fanny KING? According to the census Fanny was born in Wellingborough abt. 1835-1840 and is in the 1841 and 1851 census with her family James and Hannah King in Wellingborough - HO107/801/8 11 and HO107/1743 547 36. In the 1861 census she is now Fanny GRIFFITHS and living in Bridgnorth Shropshire with James. She now has two children; the eldest, also called James, is 3 yrs and was born in 1857 in Market Harborough, Leicester/Northants. I have his birth certificate which states his mother is Fanny GRIFFITHS formerly KING so I believe I have the correct family. James and Fanny may have been married between 1851 and 1861, but I cannot find any such marriage in Free BMD or Ancestry. I have looked in areas around Wellingborough and around Market Harborough and also in areas around Bridgnorth and Herefordshire where James was born abt 1830, but with no luck. Can anyone help me? Secondary to this search, would anyone know why James Griffiths from Herefordshire would have moved across the country to Northamptonshire. His occupation was a plate layer. Would the railways have been recruiting from around the country to build the London line? Many thanks Della Melbourne

Hi Readers I'm after any help regarding the following name; ORME pre 1780 Peckleton.INCHLEY pre 1790 Desford.KNIGHT pre 1810 Kilby.ROSS pre 1790 Kilby.TOMELIN pre 1790 Kilby.WESTON pre 1760 Shearsby.Richard SIMONS & Alice WARD bmd about1800 Shearsby. Many Thanks Terry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3439 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Carol, Perhaps there might be something in the Police Gazette. It doesn't appear to be available online, but this description http://www.adam-matthew-publications.co.uk/news/documents/PoliceGazette.pdf sounds promising. If you can access it somewhere, and look up James Hall I'll bet you'll find something. If Mary Ann Williams was your grandmothers' original name, there might be a record of her parents reporting her missing. If it wasn't her original name, it may be much harder to find any records. I wondered if vaccination at that time was expensive - if it was it might narrow the field for you to find Mary Ann's family. I did some googling and found that it was compulsory. I found this http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=4127 which seems to indicate that vaccination registers for Loughborough did survive, although, there is only partial coverage for the time frame that you need. Interestingly, when I went to the parent site http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/ and tried searching for "vaccination", there were no matches. It might be worth contacting them about accessing the originals. Good Luck Sandra -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2008 7:11 PM To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Loughborough Petty Sessions - James Hall/Mary Ann Williams Hi Carol, It's a bit of a long shot, but you may be able to find a record of the vaccination. Vaccination registers were kept by the Poor Law Unions from 1862, noting a child's name and sometimes age, or date and place of birth, and the father's name and occupation. It's a long shot because you don't know which Union she would come under, the records haven't all survived, they're not indexed and they're not on-line. It would probably need quite a few hours of research in the County Record Office. Alternatively, the MH 12 class of records at The National Archives may also yield results. Good luck, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Reid-Matte Sent: 25 March 2008 02:44 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Loughborough Petty Sessions - James Hall/Mary Ann Williams First posting ... I'm facing what feels like an enormous brick wall and hoping that someone on the list might be able to offer some help. I recently learned that proceedings of the Loughborough Petty Sessions were not recorded until the 20th century but local newspapers might have information that I am looking for. I have been searching for information on Loughboro' Petty Sessions proceedings of January 12, 1898 concerning a Mr. James Hall. Mr. Hall was a professional tramp and beggar who 'picked up' my Grandmother, Mary Ann Williams, and was using her for begging purposes. She was approximately 2 years old when Mr. Hall took her - likely in early to mid-1897. Hall tramped the country between Derby, Leicester and Northampton. Hall often stopped by a model Lodging at Loughboro' belonging to William Gresley and Martha Hayward. Mr. Hall was tried and convicted to ten week's hard labour. When taken from Mr Hall, my Grandmother was put in the care of the NSPCC who then sent her to Barnardo's, in Stepney Causeway. She was considered a very small child, very thin when she entered their care and they also noted that she had 2 vaccination marks on her left arm. I am praying that news of this story might have appeared in some of the local newspapers at that time. I wondered if in the proceedings of the petty sessions that Mr. Hall might have indicated where he picked-up my Grandmother. Barnardo's eventually sent her to Canada but there is no information at all from her early years. With the knowledge that she had received 2 vaccinations, in that era, she had obviously been well cared-for prior to being 'stolen' and I am sure that there must be family out there somewhere. If anyone can provide any assistance/guidance, I would be most appreciative. I apologize for the length of this posting, but felt it was important to provide as much history as possible. Again, thanks for any help. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol Are you sure Mary Ann WILLIAMS is her true name? If she was taken at age two and by a tramp, who would surely want to hide her identity? Mike has suggested trying vaccination records but if you are unsure of her true name it would be impossible to trace, assuming the records exist of course What is the source of the information you give on the abduction etc? Not sure during which years but I believe vaccination was a fineable offence if not carried out? (by that I mean the fact she was vaccinated does not necessarily mean she was well cared for before being abducted) Theres nothing in the Times online I can find Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > First posting ... > I'm facing what feels like an enormous brick wall and hoping that > someone on the list might be able to offer some help. > I recently learned that proceedings of the Loughborough Petty > Sessions were not recorded until the 20th century but local > newspapers might have information that I am looking for. > I have been searching for information on Loughboro' Petty Sessions > proceedings of January 12, 1898 concerning a Mr. James Hall. Mr. > Hall was a professional tramp and beggar who 'picked up' my > Grandmother, Mary Ann Williams, and was using her for begging

Hi Carol, It's a bit of a long shot, but you may be able to find a record of the vaccination. Vaccination registers were kept by the Poor Law Unions from 1862, noting a child's name and sometimes age, or date and place of birth, and the father's name and occupation. It's a long shot because you don't know which Union she would come under, the records haven't all survived, they're not indexed and they're not on-line. It would probably need quite a few hours of research in the County Record Office. Alternatively, the MH 12 class of records at The National Archives may also yield results. Good luck, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Reid-Matte Sent: 25 March 2008 02:44 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Loughborough Petty Sessions - James Hall/Mary Ann Williams First posting ... I'm facing what feels like an enormous brick wall and hoping that someone on the list might be able to offer some help. I recently learned that proceedings of the Loughborough Petty Sessions were not recorded until the 20th century but local newspapers might have information that I am looking for. I have been searching for information on Loughboro' Petty Sessions proceedings of January 12, 1898 concerning a Mr. James Hall. Mr. Hall was a professional tramp and beggar who 'picked up' my Grandmother, Mary Ann Williams, and was using her for begging purposes. She was approximately 2 years old when Mr. Hall took her - likely in early to mid-1897. Hall tramped the country between Derby, Leicester and Northampton. Hall often stopped by a model Lodging at Loughboro' belonging to William Gresley and Martha Hayward. Mr. Hall was tried and convicted to ten week's hard labour. When taken from Mr Hall, my Grandmother was put in the care of the NSPCC who then sent her to Barnardo's, in Stepney Causeway. She was considered a very small child, very thin when she entered their care and they also noted that she had 2 vaccination marks on her left arm. I am praying that news of this story might have appeared in some of the local newspapers at that time. I wondered if in the proceedings of the petty sessions that Mr. Hall might have indicated where he picked-up my Grandmother. Barnardo's eventually sent her to Canada but there is no information at all from her early years. With the knowledge that she had received 2 vaccinations, in that era, she had obviously been well cared-for prior to being 'stolen' and I am sure that there must be family out there somewhere. If anyone can provide any assistance/guidance, I would be most appreciative. I apologize for the length of this posting, but felt it was important to provide as much history as possible. Again, thanks for any help. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Jack. Looks like I would need to study the street maps, and then see what the area looks like now. Does anybody know if the present buildings on the old Biddulph Street are modern, or 19th century? John ----- Original Message ---- From: "jabriall@aol.com" <jabriall@aol.com> To: john.riley29@btopenworld.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 12:29:20 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Bushloe House and Biddulph Street, Leicester Hello John, Biddulph Street on a street map of about 1951 was shown running from St. Stephen's Road right through to East Park Road and was described as being 384 yards long. There was some bomb damage in the Highfields area but the alterations to Biddulph Street were part of the council's and planner's changes - I would guess around the late 1960s - somebody can no doubt tell us exactly when. The street was chopped into parts and the cut off sections were given the names of the streets they adjoined. Regards, Jack Allen

This is a link to material prepared by the London Metropolitan Archive. http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C03B7200-993B-42B5-8AA6-F5D666D928B9/0/licensed_victuallers.PDF It provides a very useful historical summary of the English laws relating to the selling of alcohol with indications of what records might be available and their whereabouts. Garth - Surrey

Since mailing I have done some research and stand corrected. Thank you At 20:33 3/24/2008 -0000, Mike Gould wrote: >Hi George, > >I'm afraid you're way out. I quote from Ancestral Trails, by Herber: > >>From 1552 Justices of the Peace at Quarter Sessions were authorised to >select the persons (victuallers) who should be permitted to keep alehouses. >Victuallers obtained a licence from the Justices and submitted a bond of >surety (or recognizance) for the orderly keeping of such houses. > >Of course, very few of these early licences have survived, although often >the Quarter Session records have. > >Best wishes, > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of George Smith >Sent: 23 March 2008 22:53 >To: LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-LINCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; >LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [LEI] pub licence > >Someone was asking about When Pub licences were first started. It certainly >was not in the 18th centuary. It is very late 19 century or early 20th >century. I think restricted hours brought in in 1916 as Munition workers >were missing work through late drinking > >If you go to >http://www.cambridge-camra.org.uk/ale/309/licensing-history.html you can >read the history of pub licences. > >I deleted the original message so don't remember which list it was from. >Must have been one of these. >Regards > >George. > > >Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce >LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk > >Jersey Centenary Battle of >lowers:http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Centenary Battle of lowers:http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html