A bit more for you Births Sep 1897 Rylott Jim Bourn 7a 376 1901 Census Name: Jim Rylott Age: 3 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Catherine born: Billingborough, Lincolnshire Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Billingborough Lincolnshire Registration district: Bourne Sub registration district: Aslackby Household Members: Name Age Alfred Rylott 11 months Catherine Rylott 35 Harry Rylott 6 James Rylott 34 Jim Rylott 3 John E Rylott 5 Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter HOLMES Sent: 30 July 2008 16:02 To: lincolnshire new; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] J RYLOTT died March 1917 in France- Leicestershire regiment G'day from Western Australia on a chilly, windy/rainy evening. Whilst Googling the RYLOTT name I discovered this reference - with serial number 242061 - on a list of Leicestershire regiment men that died in France. He's buried in the Bray Military Cemetery (? In France) - apparently dying or buried on 30 March 1917. Where would I easily be able to find more details of him such as place and date of birth, parents/spouse, prev occupation and home address? This type of info would help me determine if he's directly linked to my RYLOTTs. Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1580 - Release Date: 29/07/2008 17:26

Hi Charlotte Lilian Mahala Gilliver was daughter of Jesse Gilliver & Sarah Elizabeth Hall. Jesse & Sarah Elizabeth married 27 Aug 1890 St Peters, Whetstone. I have 5 children for them, including Lilian. My grandmother was a Gilliver from Enderby. You may want to look at some of the records I've transcribed for Enderby on www.theyorks.org.uk if you want to find out more about the Gillivers. Regards Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of charlotte roy Sent: 30 July 2008 00:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] GILLIVER of enderby Hi, Since we are on the subject of GILLIVER'S in enderby, I was wondering if you know anything about a LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER b 1901 whom she married one of my ancestors JAMES REGINALD DARBY the 24 dec, 1921, I am trying to find out if they had any children.This is the other info i have. They married at the ST-JOHNS the Baptist parish chruch fiche no. 2045/4 pg 79 entry no. 137. JAMES was a bachelor age 21 (shoe hand) father was WILLIAM DARBY LILLIAN was 20 single born in enderby father was JESSIE GILLIVER (blacksmith) born about 1868.JAMES and LILLIAN were married by banns and witnesses to their marriage were JOHN EDWARD DARBY and BEATRICE ANNIE GILLIVER. In the 1901 census I found LILLIAN'S family. address-193 moores lane enderby JESSIE GILLIVER age 33 enderby ELIZABETH GILLIVER age 31 whetstone children: 1.FREEMAN GILLIVER age 13 son enderby 2.EVELYN M GILLIVER age 7 enderby 3.LABAN GILLIVER age 4 son enderby 4.LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER age 2 months enderby If anyone can find out if JAMES and LILLIAN had any children and who they were it would help me alot. Thank you.

Here is the information in full from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission's website and you are fortunate that there is a lot of information which should enable you to track him back at least to the 1901 Census RYLOTT, JIM Private Leicestershire Regiment 2nd/5th Bn. Service No: 242061 Age: 19 Date of Death: 30/03/1917 Son of James and Catherine Rylott, of High St., Billingborough, Lincs. Grave/Memorial Reference: II. F. 36. BRAY MILITARY CEMETERY -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter HOLMES Sent: 30 July 2008 16:02 To: lincolnshire new; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] J RYLOTT died March 1917 in France- Leicestershire regiment G'day from Western Australia on a chilly, windy/rainy evening. Whilst Googling the RYLOTT name I discovered this reference - with serial number 242061 - on a list of Leicestershire regiment men that died in France. He's buried in the Bray Military Cemetery (? In France) - apparently dying or buried on 30 March 1917. Where would I easily be able to find more details of him such as place and date of birth, parents/spouse, prev occupation and home address? This type of info would help me determine if he's directly linked to my RYLOTTs. Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, You could try the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. I can't get it to behave at the moment... http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter HOLMES" <pgh@multiline.com.au> To: "lincolnshire new" <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com>; <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [LEI] J RYLOTT died March 1917 in France- Leicestershire regiment > G'day from Western Australia on a chilly, windy/rainy evening. > > > > Whilst Googling the RYLOTT name I discovered this reference - with serial > number 242061 - on a list of Leicestershire regiment men that died in > France. > > > > He's buried in the Bray Military Cemetery (? In France) - apparently dying > or buried on 30 March 1917. > > > > Where would I easily be able to find more details of him such as place and > date of birth, parents/spouse, prev occupation and home address? This type > of info would help me determine if he's directly linked to my RYLOTTs. > > > > Peter Holmes

The CWGC site has fuller details http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=4040312 > Casualty Details > Name: RYLOTT, JIM > Initials: J > Nationality: United Kingdom > Rank: Private > Regiment/Service: Leicestershire Regiment > Unit Text: 2nd/5th Bn. > Age: 19 > Date of Death: 30/03/1917 > Service No: 242061 > Additional information: Son of James and Catherine Rylott, of High > St., Billingborough, Lincs. > Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead > Grave/Memorial Reference: II. F. 36. > Cemetery: BRAY MILITARY CEMETERY HTH Anne On 30 Jul 2008, at 16:02, Peter HOLMES wrote: > G'day from Western Australia on a chilly, windy/rainy evening. > > > > Whilst Googling the RYLOTT name I discovered this reference - with > serial > number 242061 - on a list of Leicestershire regiment men that died in > France. > > > > He's buried in the Bray Military Cemetery (? In France) - apparently > dying > or buried on 30 March 1917. > > > > Where would I easily be able to find more details of him such as > place and > date of birth, > > > Peter Holmes > > Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes

Thank you for this information, much appreciated. kind regards charlotte 2008/7/30 Ellie Thomas <ellie.thomas@ntlworld.com> > Hi Charlotte, > > FreeBMD has one birth for Darby with mother's maiden name Gilliver - > Geoffry Darby, born June qtr 1926, Blaby 7a, 67. > > Regards, > Ellie > > Snipped: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:56:05 -0400 > > From: "charlotte roy" <charloroy@googlemail.com> > > Subject: Re: [LEI] GILLIVER of enderby > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > > > Hi, Since we are on the subject of GILLIVER'S in enderby, I was wondering > > if > > you know anything about a LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER b 1901 whom she married > > one of my ancestors JAMES REGINALD DARBY the 24 dec, 1921, I am trying to > > find out if they had any children. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Elizabeth for this information, its greatly appreciated. kind regards charlotte 2008/7/30 Elizabeth York <eliza_york@btinternet.com> > Hi Charlotte > > Lilian Mahala Gilliver was daughter of Jesse Gilliver & Sarah Elizabeth > Hall. Jesse & Sarah Elizabeth married 27 Aug 1890 St Peters, Whetstone. > > I have 5 children for them, including Lilian. > > My grandmother was a Gilliver from Enderby. > You may want to look at some of the records I've transcribed for Enderby on > www.theyorks.org.uk if you want to find out more about the Gillivers. > > Regards > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of charlotte > roy > Sent: 30 July 2008 00:56 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] GILLIVER of enderby > > Hi, Since we are on the subject of GILLIVER'S in enderby, I was wondering > if > you know anything about a LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER b 1901 whom she married > one of my ancestors JAMES REGINALD DARBY the 24 dec, 1921, I am trying to > find out if they had any children.This is the other info i have. > They married at the ST-JOHNS the Baptist parish chruch fiche no. 2045/4 pg > 79 entry no. 137. JAMES was a bachelor age 21 (shoe hand) father was > WILLIAM DARBY > LILLIAN was 20 single born in enderby father was JESSIE GILLIVER > (blacksmith) born about 1868.JAMES and LILLIAN were married by banns and > witnesses to their marriage were JOHN EDWARD DARBY and BEATRICE ANNIE > GILLIVER. > In the 1901 census I found LILLIAN'S family. > > address-193 moores lane enderby > > JESSIE GILLIVER age 33 enderby > ELIZABETH GILLIVER age 31 whetstone > > children: > 1.FREEMAN GILLIVER age 13 son enderby > 2.EVELYN M GILLIVER age 7 enderby > 3.LABAN GILLIVER age 4 son enderby > 4.LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER age 2 months enderby > > If anyone can find out if JAMES and LILLIAN had any children and who they > were it would help me alot. > Thank you. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joy My PERKINSes hailed from Kibworth Beauchamp and before that Gloostone, and one, a William PERKINS (1812-1878) married a Sally FOLWELL from Fleckney in 1835 in Kibworth. William's father and grandfather were both Josephs. Fleckney, Kilby, Kibworth are all very close, and Gloostone and Leicester not very far away. I haven't got far with my Perkinses yet, but I will bear yours in mind as I explore further . Do you know the names and dates of your Samuel's parents and any brothers and sisters? The Leicestershire Burials Index (volume 1) lists an Elizabeth PERKINS buried at Fleckney aged 68 on 25 March 1832, who could be yours. The index starts in 1813, so I have no hope of using it to trace EMMERSON burials before that date (i.e. of Elizabeth's first husband, as a possible route to their marriage and Elizabeth's maiden name). The only Samuel PERKINS listed was buried in 1862 aged 68, so cannot be the one who married Elizabeth Emmerson in 1799. It does list other PERKINSes buried at Fleckney, however. This probably doesn't help much, but I am happy to exchange details if you wish. Good hunting. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching BRUCE, FOLWELL, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Leics, Northants) HAUGHAN, JOHNSTONE, RICHARDSON (Annandale, Cumberland, Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, JACK(SON), KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow, Perth)

In many of the censi there is a couple John and Elizabeth TAYLOR. Elizabeth's birth is c 1810 in Preston Rutland. John was born c 1810 in Wing Rutland. Is anyone able to help with their marriage and so her maiden name, please? In 1841 there is also an Ann TAYLOR 12. Thanks Mike in a wet, windy and cold Whakatane NZ

Hello Again. Is anyone able to help with the marriage of the above, please? She was christened in 1809 in Preston, Rutland. It may have been a JENKINS? Maybe about 1833? Thanks Mike in a very wet Whakatane NZ

Hi Charlotte, FreeBMD has one birth for Darby with mother's maiden name Gilliver - Geoffry Darby, born June qtr 1926, Blaby 7a, 67. Regards, Ellie Snipped: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:56:05 -0400 > From: "charlotte roy" <charloroy@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [LEI] GILLIVER of enderby > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Hi, Since we are on the subject of GILLIVER'S in enderby, I was wondering > if > you know anything about a LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER b 1901 whom she married > one of my ancestors JAMES REGINALD DARBY the 24 dec, 1921, I am trying to > find out if they had any children.

Hi, Since we are on the subject of GILLIVER'S in enderby, I was wondering if you know anything about a LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER b 1901 whom she married one of my ancestors JAMES REGINALD DARBY the 24 dec, 1921, I am trying to find out if they had any children.This is the other info i have. They married at the ST-JOHNS the Baptist parish chruch fiche no. 2045/4 pg 79 entry no. 137. JAMES was a bachelor age 21 (shoe hand) father was WILLIAM DARBY LILLIAN was 20 single born in enderby father was JESSIE GILLIVER (blacksmith) born about 1868.JAMES and LILLIAN were married by banns and witnesses to their marriage were JOHN EDWARD DARBY and BEATRICE ANNIE GILLIVER. In the 1901 census I found LILLIAN'S family. address-193 moores lane enderby JESSIE GILLIVER age 33 enderby ELIZABETH GILLIVER age 31 whetstone children: 1.FREEMAN GILLIVER age 13 son enderby 2.EVELYN M GILLIVER age 7 enderby 3.LABAN GILLIVER age 4 son enderby 4.LILLIAN MAHAH GILLIVER age 2 months enderby If anyone can find out if JAMES and LILLIAN had any children and who they were it would help me alot. Thank you. 2008/7/20 Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi Terry > > It seems quite odd doing a virtual roam around Enderby as I used to work in > St Johns down the road > > Here is Arthur in 1871 > > Name: Arthur Gilliver > Age: 9 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 > Relation: Son > Father's Name: Thomas > Mother's Name: Elizabeth > Gender: Male > Where born: Enderby, Leicestershire, England > Civil Parish: Enderby > Town: Enderby > County/Island: Leicestershire > Country: England > Street address: > Registration district: Blaby > Sub registration district: Enderby > ED, institution, or vessel: 8 > Household schedule number: 36 > Household Members: Name Age > > Thomas Gilliver 41 > Elizabeth Gilliver 38 > John Gilliver 18 > Elizabeth Gilliver 16 > Arthur Gilliver 9 > Mary A Gilliver 3 > Pharoah Gilliver 1 > > RG10 3233 99 7 > > I do like the name Pharoah but sadly he does not last to long > > Births Dec 1869 > Gilliver Pharoah Blaby 7a 40 > > Deaths Sep 1872 > GILLIVER Pharaoh 2 Blaby 7a 33 > > Thomas was the son of another Thomas born 1794 in Sheepy Magna, his mother > was Mary who was born 1795 in Congerstone > > Their marriage perhaps > > THOMAS GILLIVER > Spouse: MARY PEACH Family > Marriage: 21 DEC 1816 Congerstone, Leicester, England > M034442 1738 - 1834 0590867 Film 1238700 Film > > > Thomas senior in 1851 > > Name: Thomas Gilliver > Age: 57 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Mary > Gender: Male > Where born: Sheepy Magna, Leicestershire, England > > Civil Parish: Enderby > County/Island: Leicestershire > Country: England > > Registration district: Blaby > Sub registration district: Wigston > ED, institution, or vessel: 5a > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 90 > Household Members: Name Age > > Thomas Gilliver 57 (a cordwainer ie shoemaker) > Mary Gilliver 56 > George Gilliver 24 > Harriet Gilliver 21 > Thomas Gilliver 20 > Caroline Gilliver 16 > Amelia Gilliver 14 > > HO107 2081 368 21 > > This may his baptism > > THOMAS GILLVER > Christening: 28 DEC 1794 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > Father: JOHN GILLVER Family > Mother: JANE > C060401 1743 - 1853 0595768 Film 0883855 Film > C060401 1866 - 1872 0595768 Film NONE > > And his siblings > > JOHN GILLEVER > Christening: 18 APR 1793 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > THOMAS GILLVER > Christening: 28 DEC 1794 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > JANE GILLEVER > Christening: 09 OCT 1796 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > JOSEPH GILLEVER > Christening: 18 NOV 1798 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > MARY GILLEVER > Christening: 11 APR 1802 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > And John & Janes marriage > > JOHN GILLIVER > Spouse: JANE STARKEY Family > Marriage: 24 MAY 1792 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > > M060401 1743 - 1763 0595768 Film 0883985 Film > M060401 1775 0595768 Film NONE > M060401 1787 - 1836 0595768 Film NONE > > Johns Baptism perhaps? > > JOHN GILLOVOR > Christening: 23 APR 1764 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England > Father: JOSEPH GILLOVOR Family > Mother: MARY > C060401 1743 - 1853 0595768 Film 0883855 Film > > Of course the above does want confirming but perhaps its food for thought > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > PS I have the census pages for 1841 , 51, 61 , 71 & 81 if you would like > them > > > > Hello list, > > looking for info on ggranmar KATE ELIZABETH > > GILLIVER born 04/03/1880 at enderby,her > > father was arthur thomas gilliver and mother > > was ann ladkin. > > > > terry. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, With so little information to go on, it seems to me you need to start your research in the USA, which I presume is where you live. The time-honoured method is to work back from yourself generation by generation, using the records available to prove or disprove family stories and connections, until you get back to this Dr Miller. The surviving records concerning him, especially a Will, may give you more information about Charles Askew, and therefore make a search in England more productive. Every family historian will tell you that family stories are not always reliable: they may have been misinformed themselves or their memories may be faulty. It is therefore essential to check what you think you know to be sure of the facts. I've had a good many family stories turn out to be pure romance. For instance, a gt-grandfather of mine appears on the 1881 census with my gt-grandmother, grandmother and a previously unknown baby daughter, 3 years after he was supposed to have died! I still don't know what happened to gt-grandfather and the baby daughter, but the research I have done shows me why they have been airbrushed out of the family history. If you check thoroughly back through the generations, you may also have surprises and some hard information from which to work. If you find there really was a Dr Miller who adopted Charles Askew and took him Stateside, there may be a family connection as adoption was informal in those days. And the people on this list will, I am sure, be their usual generous selves in helping you to find out more. Hope that helps, Lesley -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of frandbak To All: this little one had a Mother whowas in a workhouse, no money here, no private organizations. He was born about 1851, was in Al, USA, by the age of 3. Family says that he was adopted in Troy AL by a Dr. Miller. Sure wish I could find more on his family, I do thank the 3 or 4 of you who have responded this day and so quickly at that. It is much appreciated....I need some guidance. I thank you for any bits of help. frandbak@bellsouth, net

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Chaney" <chaneys@clara.net> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] 3year old born in England Charles Askew. > Hi, > > With so little information to go on, it seems to me you need to start your > research in the USA, which I presume is where you live. > > The time-honoured method is to work back from yourself generation by > generation, using the records available to prove or disprove family > stories > and connections, until you get back to this Dr Miller. The surviving > records concerning him, especially a Will, may give you more information > about Charles Askew, and therefore make a search in England more > productive. > > Every family historian will tell you that family stories are not always > reliable: they may have been misinformed themselves or their memories may > be > faulty. It is therefore essential to check what you think you know to be > sure of the facts. I've had a good many family stories turn out to be > pure > romance. For instance, a gt-grandfather of mine appears on the 1881 > census > with my gt-grandmother, grandmother and a previously unknown baby > daughter, > 3 years after he was supposed to have died! I still don't know what > happened to gt-grandfather and the baby daughter, but the research I have > done shows me why they have been airbrushed out of the family history. If > you check thoroughly back through the generations, you may also have > surprises and some hard information from which to work. > > If you find there really was a Dr Miller who adopted Charles Askew and > took > him Stateside, there may be a family connection as adoption was informal > in > those days. And the people on this list will, I am sure, be their usual > generous selves in helping you to find out more. > > Hope that helps, > Lesley > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of frandbak > > To All: this little one had a Mother whowas in a workhouse, no money > here, no private organizations. > > He was born about 1851, was in Al, USA, by the age of 3. > > Family says that he was adopted in Troy AL by a Dr. Miller. > > Sure wish I could find more on his family, I do thank the 3 or 4 of you > who > have responded this day and so quickly at that. It is much > appreciated....I > need some guidance. I thank you for any bits of help. > frandbak@bellsouth, > net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Chaney" <chaneys@clara.net> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] 3year old born in England Charles Askew. > Hi, > > With so little information to go on, it seems to me you need to start your > research in the USA, which I presume is where you live. > > The time-honoured method is to work back from yourself generation by > generation, using the records available to prove or disprove family > stories > and connections, until you get back to this Dr Miller. The surviving > records concerning him, especially a Will, may give you more information > about Charles Askew, and therefore make a search in England more > productive. > > Every family historian will tell you that family stories are not always > reliable: they may have been misinformed themselves or their memories may > be > faulty. It is therefore essential to check what you think you know to be > sure of the facts. I've had a good many family stories turn out to be > pure > romance. For instance, a gt-grandfather of mine appears on the 1881 > census > with my gt-grandmother, grandmother and a previously unknown baby > daughter, > 3 years after he was supposed to have died! I still don't know what > happened to gt-grandfather and the baby daughter, but the research I have > done shows me why they have been airbrushed out of the family history. If > you check thoroughly back through the generations, you may also have > surprises and some hard information from which to work. > > If you find there really was a Dr Miller who adopted Charles Askew and > took > him Stateside, there may be a family connection as adoption was informal > in > those days. And the people on this list will, I am sure, be their usual > generous selves in helping you to find out more. > > Hope that helps, > Lesley > Hi Lesley, thank you very much for your info and I will take your advice > and thorouly search this "Dr. Miller" and will get in touch withTroy Al, > USA. This little lad was my great,great grandfather. Thanks again, > frandbak@bellsouth.net Frances Baker, USA, GA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of frandbak > > To All: this little one had a Mother whowas in a workhouse, no money > here, no private organizations. > > He was born about 1851, was in Al, USA, by the age of 3. > > Family says that he was adopted in Troy AL by a Dr. Miller. > > Sure wish I could find more on his family, I do thank the 3 or 4 of you > who > have responded this day and so quickly at that. It is much > appreciated....I > need some guidance. I thank you for any bits of help. > frandbak@bellsouth, > net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Olwyn, Thanks for your reply. The George Pegg I have was 71 when buried in 1835 in Stoke Golding so born about 1764. Susanna Hilton his wife was born 1766, so I think the George you have found born 1775 is probably another family. Regards Robyn -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of O Sherwin Sent: Monday, 28 July 2008 5:32 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire Hi Ribyn, I have just had a look on the I G I but haen't been able to find our Ann Pegg some what stuck with this lady . I see there is a Thomas Pegg and Mary of stokegolding having the following children Thomas 1769,Robert1772,George 1775 Mary1778,John1781,Joseph 1782,Thomas 1798 Could this be your George Olwyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Thorpe" <robyntho@bigpond.net.au> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire > Hi Olwyn, > > I have a George PEGG born about 1764 who married Susanna HILTON 9 Aug 1795 > in Stoke Golding Could your Ann PEGG be a sister of George? > > Regards > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of O Sherwin > Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 5:53 PM > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire > > Hi Brian and Patricia, > Thankyou for the info on Hannah Haswell born 24-3-1799 Ours was daughter > of > John and Ann nee Pegg who was born in Stoke golding 1767 John was a frame > worker They also had a son Edward 16-4-1796 > many thanks > olwyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian & Patricia Warburton" <bnpwarburton@shaw.ca> > To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire > > >> Re Samual Sherwin/ Hannah Haswell marriage >> >> We have Hannah Haswell in our line but she lived near >> Easington/Shotton/Haswell. Its a stretch but you never know!! >> >> Brian Warburton >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "O Sherwin" <osherwin@xtra.co.nz> >> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire >> >> >>> Hi Jenelle, >>> I do have a George Bennett of Burbage but he didn't have a Mary ann he >>> married Hannah Bellis of Wolvey Warwickshire >>> Our Sherwins go back to Samuel Sherwin who married Rebecca Grewcock in >>> 1813 >>> in Hathern nr Loughborough and after her death Hannah Haswell of >>> Stokegolding Children were born in Barwell >>> William 1814,Mary 1815,Anne1816,Elizabeth1820,John1822,James1824and >>> Rebecca1825 chn of 2nd marriage were also born in Barwell >>> James Pritchet1826,Amelia1828,Samuel 1830 Alfred 1833,frederick 1842 >>> Alfred married Sarah Ann Hinchliffe our line in 1855 and had 13 children >>> Olwyn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2005@tpg.com.au> >>> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire >>> >>> >>>> Olwyn, (think I've been in contact with you before) I have SHERWIN >>>> from >>>> Leicestershire from 1800's. (and 1 BENNETT - Mary Ann Hibbert(d) nee >>>> BENNETT, father george. >>>> Jenelle. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "O Sherwin" <osherwin@xtra.co.nz> >>>> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:02 PM >>>> Subject: [LEI] looking for Sherwin Hinchliffe Bennett of lestershire >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Listers >>>>> researching Sherwin of Barwell and Leicester 1800's >>>>> Hinchliffe of Dewsburyand Ossett yorks then >>>>> Leicester1700's to 1800's >>>>> Bennett of Seaton Rutland and leicester 1800's >>>>> Moulding of Leicester 1800's >>>>> many thanks Olwyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: >>>>> 7/25/2008 >>>>> 4:27 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy If she were a widow her birth name would not have been Emerson. You need a Elizabeth ? marrying ? Emerson and then a death/burial of ? Emerson. Have you tried the NBI for possible burials and the IGI for possible marriages? Richard Ancestors (some back to the 1500s) with 300 different surnames from Warwickshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Oxfordshire. 180 village photos. 40 trade guide extracts. Visit my web site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~richardkendellfamily -------------------------------------------------- From: "JOY WILSON" <joy.wilson@talktalk.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:46 AM To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LEI] Perkins > I am researching the Perkins family who lived mainly in Fleckney and > Kilby. I have a Samuel Perkins married to Elizabeth Emmerson in St Mary's > Church Leicester 15-10-1799. I have a record to the fact that she was a > widow and they were married by licence. due to back record keeping I > cannot remember where I got this information from. Can anyone help me? > Elizabeth says on various census that she was born in Fleckney but the > Emmersons are not listed in the parish records that I have. Are there > still members of the Perkins family living in Fleckney and Kilby? Thank > you Joy > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 66 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am researching the Perkins family who lived mainly in Fleckney and Kilby. I have a Samuel Perkins married to Elizabeth Emmerson in St Mary's Church Leicester 15-10-1799. I have a record to the fact that she was a widow and they were married by licence. due to back record keeping I cannot remember where I got this information from. Can anyone help me? Elizabeth says on various census that she was born in Fleckney but the Emmersons are not listed in the parish records that I have. Are there still members of the Perkins family living in Fleckney and Kilby? Thank you Joy -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 66 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi again Frank? Firstly the details you have are not proven so do keep an open mind Just a suggestion, then as now there were people who would make money any way they could, "arranging" adoptions was one of them, I do not know when legal adoption started in the USA but here it was not until 1927 , I take it you have checked for any documentation in the USA re adoption? (I am sure you have) You have to ask how does a child between 1 and 4 get to the USA without a great deal of help and money The story of a mother in the workhouse would cover the tracks quite well I don't think you answered my question, how do you know he was born in Leicestershire? What was the clue? These are the female ASKEWs of child bearing age in Leicestershire 1851 census Eliza Askew abt 1835 Leire, Leicestershire, England Lodger Leicester St Mary, Leicestershire Elizabeth Askew abt 1830 North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England Daughter Alexton, Leicestershire Elizabeth Askew abt 1826 Brinklow, Warwickshire, England Daughter Monks Kirby and Brockhurst, Leicestershire Sarah Askew abt 1823 St Margaret, Leicestershire, England Daughter Leicester St Margaret, Leicestershire Sarah Askew abt 1837 Leire, Leicestershire, England Sister Leicester St Mary, Leicestershire Susannah Askew Henry abt 1831 Knighton, Leicestershire, England Wife Leicester St Mary, Leicestershire Harriet Hall [Harriet Askew] abt 1822 All Saints, Derbyshire, England Wife Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire I am not sure it will do you any good though, none appear to be in a workhouse but circumstances changed rapidly so the week after the census they may have been Short of DNA I think you are going to have a time trying to find or prove the link Good luck in your search Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > To All: this little one had a Mother whowas in a workhouse, no money > here, no private organizations. > > He was born about 1851, was in Al, USA, by the age of 3. > > Family says that he was adopted in Troy AL by a Dr. Miller. > > Sure wish I could find more on his family, I do thank the 3 or 4 of you > who have responded this day and so quickly at that. It is much > appreciated....I need some guidance. I thank you for any bits of help. > frandbak@bellsouth, net

Hi frandbak ,      I'd be very skeptical about a family story during the Victorian period (with all apologies to the Queen) that involve the birth of a child.  It could easily be a story intended to disugise the history of a child born out of wedlock.  There were no international adoption agencies in those days, how would a child get from Leicestershire to Alabama.  I would check the U.S. Federal Census to see where it says the child was born as well as 1880 where it asks where the child's father and mother were born.  I would also check the cenusus for the period when he was old enough to supply his own information, does it change.  Also, any record that might ask where he was born or the names of his parents, like military or death records.       I live in the U.S. so there are probably people in Leicestershire who can give you better advice but I'd check the 1851 census in Leicestershire for Askews and also city directories for that period if they exist.  Still, I wouldn't invest a lot of time looking in Leicestershire, you could spend years looking and if the story isn't true, you'll be wasting your time.  I'd true to prove or disprove the story first, family stories are notorious for redirecting people away from family scandles.                                                                                                                 Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: frandbak <frandbak@bellsouth.net> To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:29:23 PM Subject: [LEI] 3year old born in England Charles Askew. To All:    this little one had a Mother whowas in a workhouse, no money here, no private organizations. He was born about 1851,  was in Al, USA, by the age of 3. Family says that he was adopted in Troy AL by a Dr. Miller. Sure wish I could find more on his family, I do thank the 3 or 4  of you who have responded this day and so quickly at that.  It is much appreciated....I need some guidance.  I thank you for any bits of help.  frandbak@bellsouth, net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message