Hello Firebird, I've tried The London Gazette, but not found anything, but thank you for the suggestion. I'll look into using Manchester Library online. Thank you, Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records & Newspapers > Linda Fawcett wrote: > > >> I had thought about the newspapers, but they were living in Manchester >> and >> had to go to London for the divorce, in 1919. >> As I live in Cheshire, I can't go to London to look in the newspapers. >> I >> have tried the Times online but not got anywhere. When I can get to >> Manchester, I want to check the local papers there, but I think that the >> Times is the likeliest. > > Have you had a look at the London Gazette? > > I don't think The Times would be the likeliest, to be honest. > > I believe Manchester main library allows non residents to register > online for library tickets which they can use from their homes. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 > 06:51 > >

Linda Fawcett wrote: > I had thought about the newspapers, but they were living in Manchester and > had to go to London for the divorce, in 1919. > As I live in Cheshire, I can't go to London to look in the newspapers. I > have tried the Times online but not got anywhere. When I can get to > Manchester, I want to check the local papers there, but I think that the > Times is the likeliest. Have you had a look at the London Gazette? I don't think The Times would be the likeliest, to be honest. I believe Manchester main library allows non residents to register online for library tickets which they can use from their homes.

Just wanted to add, on a technical note, that country-specific symbols such as £ can sometimes show up as something entirely different if a user happens to be using a different character set (i.e. has a foreign keyboard etc). Although you'd probably not expect this to hit people using the Western Alphabet, I've actually had to fix bugs for people from Finland etc where this has happened - so although £ is nice and easy for most of us, GBP is pretty much guaranteed to always make sense!! Em (sad nerdy programmer type) :D in greyish, damp and windy Leicester 2008/8/18 Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi David > > My £ works quite fine thankyou <g> > > It has long been convention in e mail to use gbp for Great British Pound or > usd for United States Dollar or whatever for the various countries currency > > Lap tops generally do not have a numeric key pad to the right of the > keyboard so you cannot do it anyway > > Using gbp or whatever currency abbreviation, there is no ambiguity between > a > pound sign or a dollar sign > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > PS gbp is an awful lot easier to remember than Alt +0163 too <vbg> > > > > If you don't have the "£" on your keyboard, you can use the numeric keypad > to the right on your keyboard and type < Alt +0163 > and you'll get the £ > > Also, Susie say hello to Orkney for me! Whereabouts are you? My paternal > grandmother's line is from Walls. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Hi Susie > > the ones I have purchased have been 8.50gbp, > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

I do not have a number pad on my laptop. When I want to use special characters - I go to start - programs - accessories, system tools and character map - then select the character I want, copy and paste. Not real efficient - but does work. One would suppose that you could save the ones you use frequently to a word document and then just copy and paste from there. gypsy Subject: Re: [LEI] Fw: £ & special characters Although one cannot rely on non standard characters appearing as intended on every one else's PC or Mac when transmitted via Internet email. A common one that changes is the Pound, which can appear as o or other. If there is money involved, UK Pounds gives no cause to question. £ might. Keith Wellington, NZ Apart from the £, I also need to use other characters for my German research, such as: Alt + 0223 ß Alt + 0246 ö Alt + 0252 ü Alt + 0134 ? (often used in German records for "the late" or "deceased") (My maternal Grandfather was a Geordie by the name of Otto August Wilhelm Kunde!) If you've any French or Quebecois research, you'll need Alt + 0231 ç Alt + 0234 ê and when talking about the weather, Alt + 0186 as in 10º C etc

Hi Vern I see you have been researching this one for some time Although Divorce got a little easier post 1858, it was still an expensive business, did Selina have the money or her husband? I wouldn't ever say stop looking for it but have never heard of a "desertion order" According to the National Archives research guide, until 1923 a woman would have to prove adultery with some other cause such as cruelty or desertion for two years or more I do not think desertion on its own were grounds for divorce, I therefore suspect the story you have been told was passed down to hide the facts of the time On her next marriage does she state she is divorced? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I have a relative, Selina STENSON, who was married 3 times. Her second > husband, John BLAGG, only stayed around for a few months, and I have been > told there was a desertion order dated 10 February 1863. Can anyone tell > me > how I could get details of this desertion order? > > Vern in Ontario

Hi Linda I would check out the online newspapers, in the recent trial of Gale papers of the British Library I read some Manchester papers, I cannot remember the years covered though You may have it available via your library, its worth checking http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Library/additionalservices.htm You would need to call at the library to get access codes but can then use it from home, virtual joiners cannot use the facility Also check the London gazette as I have found some divorces mentioned there Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Hello David, I had thought about the newspapers, but they were living in Manchester and had to go to London for the divorce, in 1919. As I live in Cheshire, I can't go to London to look in the newspapers. I have tried the Times online but not got anywhere. When I can get to Manchester, I want to check the local papers there, but I think that the Times is the likeliest. Thank you, Linda

Hi David I do not think it worth arguing about really Both can work together, do what you are happier with and find more effective for you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Well David each to their own Nivard I think you'll find far more people, especially internationally, will recognize and understand the "£" then the "gbp" which is easily confused with "gdp" and "gnp". David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Lynne, That sounds great. I have tried getting an estimate as I have now got the full reference number but it says there is a problem with it?? You are right about the Principal Registry of the Family Division only sending the decree nisi. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Cox" <l8cox@btinternet.com> To: "Leicestershire-Plus" <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past Hi All, I have recently ordered a digital copy of my husbands great nanny’s divorce papers from the national archives website, she divorced in 1920. It was very easy to order online, I requested an estimate first and it took about 10 days before they sent an email with a link to view this and decide if I wanted to proceed, the cost was £42, well worth the money. The document is 16 pages long and there is a lot of information such as addresses, birth dates of their two children, when she parted from her husband and obviously the reasons why they divorced. I was going to order this information from the Principal Registry of the Family Division but this costs £40 and as far as I am aware they only provide copies of the decree nisi and absolute. Hope this helps, Regards, Lynne Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:40:55 +0100 From: "Linda Fawcett" <linda-fawcett1@supanet.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9F2E2A1083B4470598D7E7AB6533425D@LindaLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original hello Nivard, In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my Nana in 1920. It cost me ?25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the names of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i was most disappointed. In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. It asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all there was. Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name of the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them again to request these other documents. I am so grateful to you. many thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past > Hi Susie > > This may help > > <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53> > > Under J77 there is > > > Context : quick reference > J Records of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts > Division within J Records of the Family Division and predecessors > J 77 Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Supreme Court of > Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files > Subseries within J 77 > J 77/168 > > Record Summary > Scope and content Divorce Court File: 4165. Appellant: James Compton. > Respondent: Mary Compton. Co-respondent: [...] Gardner. Type: Husband's > petition for divorce [hd]. > Covering dates 1875 > Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI > Act: > 30 years > Held by The National Archives, Kew > > > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51

Hello David, I had thought about the newspapers, but they were living in Manchester and had to go to London for the divorce, in 1919. As I live in Cheshire, I can't go to London to look in the newspapers. I have tried the Times online but not got anywhere. When I can get to Manchester, I want to check the local papers there, but I think that the Times is the likeliest. Thank you, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records & Newspapers Linda, Divorces were not that common in 1920, so if you've got the date and place of the court case, it should be worthwhile looking in the local newspaper for reports. There was no bar on reporting divorce cases then. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Fawcett To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past hello Nivard, In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my Nana in 1920. It cost me £25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the names of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i was most disappointed. In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. It asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all there was. Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name of the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them again to request these other documents. I am so grateful to you. many thanks, Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1618 - Release Date: 18/08/2008 06:51

Hi All, I have recently ordered a digital copy of my husbands great nanny’s divorce papers from the national archives website, she divorced in 1920. It was very easy to order online, I requested an estimate first and it took about 10 days before they sent an email with a link to view this and decide if I wanted to proceed, the cost was £42, well worth the money. The document is 16 pages long and there is a lot of information such as addresses, birth dates of their two children, when she parted from her husband and obviously the reasons why they divorced. I was going to order this information from the Principal Registry of the Family Division but this costs £40 and as far as I am aware they only provide copies of the decree nisi and absolute. Hope this helps, Regards, Lynne Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:40:55 +0100 From: "Linda Fawcett" <linda-fawcett1@supanet.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9F2E2A1083B4470598D7E7AB6533425D@LindaLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original hello Nivard, In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my Nana in 1920. It cost me ?25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the names of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i was most disappointed. In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. It asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all there was. Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name of the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them again to request these other documents. I am so grateful to you. many thanks, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past > Hi Susie > > This may help > > <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53> > > Under J77 there is > > > Context : quick reference > J Records of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts > Division within J Records of the Family Division and predecessors > J 77 Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Supreme Court of > Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files > Subseries within J 77 > J 77/168 > > Record Summary > Scope and content Divorce Court File: 4165. Appellant: James Compton. > Respondent: Mary Compton. Co-respondent: [...] Gardner. Type: Husband's > petition for divorce [hd]. > Covering dates 1875 > Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI > Act: > 30 years > Held by The National Archives, Kew > > > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >

> Lap tops generally do not have a numeric key pad to the right of the > keyboard so you cannot do it anyway My laptop doesn't have a numeric keypad to the right, but it does have a keypad built into the regular keys and is accessed by a Fn key I believe, so I can still generate the special characters. I suspect most if not all laptops have this feature. (Or maybe we just do things better in Canada lol) Personally I prefer to use £ to gbp, but to each his own. :-) I chat with someone from the US who has a British laptop so he has no $. His solution is to just use the £ symbol instead. Vern in Ontario _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Hi Nova With great respect, what is the point in doing it when gbp serves much better, easier and quicker Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Or, alternatively, Alt 156 Nova Gilroy Mandurah Western Australia If you don't have the "£" on your keyboard, you can use the numeric keypad to the right on your keyboard and type < Alt +0163 > and you'll get the £

Hi David My £ works quite fine thankyou <g> It has long been convention in e mail to use gbp for Great British Pound or usd for United States Dollar or whatever for the various countries currency Lap tops generally do not have a numeric key pad to the right of the keyboard so you cannot do it anyway Using gbp or whatever currency abbreviation, there is no ambiguity between a pound sign or a dollar sign Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS gbp is an awful lot easier to remember than Alt +0163 too <vbg> If you don't have the "£" on your keyboard, you can use the numeric keypad to the right on your keyboard and type < Alt +0163 > and you'll get the £ Also, Susie say hello to Orkney for me! Whereabouts are you? My paternal grandmother's line is from Walls. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Susie the ones I have purchased have been 8.50gbp, Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Thanks for that - that's kind of what I suspected... 2008/8/18 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:02 +0100 > "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hello Emma, > > > "Divorces were not that common in 1920" - does that mean the couple just > > split up and were automatically considered divorced e.g. after a certain > > length of time, or was it just generally considered that marriage was > > for life? > > No, marriage has never "expired" in that way. If the couple didn't > divorce, they remained married for life. Of course, that didn't stop > some re-marrying bigamously. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > Keep your drink just give em the money > U & Ur Hand - Pink > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

Hi Em There was no automatic divorce after a certain length of time, only in exceptional circumstances did anyone try and prove their spouse had died overseas Grounds for divorce were much harsher and harder to prove so why waste time and money on something that would achieve little As far as I can tell most people simply took the cheapest option, split up and if they wanted to remarry, did so away from where people would know them or "lived in sin" No proof was required as to their marital status, some would say widowed/widower, some spinster/bachelor Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) "Divorces were not that common in 1920" - does that mean the couple just split up and were automatically considered divorced e.g. after a certain length of time, or was it just generally considered that marriage was for life? I ask as my gg gramps left his wife, who subsequently remarried, but I can't find any record of a divorce. Cheers Em

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:02 +0100 "Emma Faulkner" <schnozzles@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello Emma, > "Divorces were not that common in 1920" - does that mean the couple just > split up and were automatically considered divorced e.g. after a certain > length of time, or was it just generally considered that marriage was > for life? No, marriage has never "expired" in that way. If the couple didn't divorce, they remained married for life. Of course, that didn't stop some re-marrying bigamously. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Keep your drink just give em the money U & Ur Hand - Pink

David "Divorces were not that common in 1920" - does that mean the couple just split up and were automatically considered divorced e.g. after a certain length of time, or was it just generally considered that marriage was for life? I ask as my gg gramps left his wife, who subsequently remarried, but I can't find any record of a divorce. Cheers Em 2008/8/18 David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> > Linda, > > Divorces were not that common in 1920, so if you've got the date and place > of the court case, it should be worthwhile looking in the local newspaper > for reports. There was no bar on reporting divorce cases then. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Fawcett > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past > > > hello Nivard, > In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my > Nana in 1920. > It cost me £25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the > names > of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i > was most disappointed. > In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. > It > asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the > divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr > Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all > there was. > Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name > of > the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them > again to request these other documents. > I am so grateful to you. > many thanks, > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://schnozzles.blogspot.com/

Hi Nivard I got the date of this desertion order from a cousin in England who is also researching the family. Actually, Selina didn't marry the third guy. She first married William DAVEY who was killed in a railway accident at Matlock 12 Jul 1861. She married John BLAGG 20 Nov 1862, so she didn't waste much time. John didn't waste much time either because he supposedly deserted he by 10 Feb 1863. I don't get that because I would think as you have said that he would have to be gone several years before she could say he deserted her. I never thought about money before, Selina would have inherited 1/4 of a house from William STENSON (her grandfather) after his death in Nov 1861. Selina is on the 1871 census, aged 39, as the wife of 60 year old hatter, Jacob Booth. She has two young children (aged 1 and 2) named DAVEY with her. They marry under the name BLAGG. I suspect that are Jacob BOOTH's children or maybe from a fourth man, but since she was legally BLAGG at the time, the children would be BLAGG's. Not being happy with BLAGG having left her, she would not enjoy calling them BLAGG so said DAVEY. Selina's brother Thomas was my gg grandfather. So, this is a mystery that I would like to solve, but not one that I wish to spend a lot of money on. Her descendants can do that. :-) I get the impression that Selina was probably not an easy woman to live with lol. Thanks for your comments. Vern > Hi Vern > > I see you have been researching this one for some time > > Although Divorce got a little easier post 1858, it was still an expensive > business, did Selina have the money or her husband? > > I wouldn't ever say stop looking for it but have never heard of a > "desertion > order" > > According to the National Archives research guide, until 1923 a woman > would > have to prove adultery with some other cause such as cruelty or desertion > for two years or more > > I do not think desertion on its own were grounds for divorce, I therefore > suspect the story you have been told was passed down to hide the facts of > the time > > On her next marriage does she state she is divorced? > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

Hello again, Nivard, I have been trying to get an estimate online. I have got the actual reference number( J77/1500/6385) but it keeps telling me that there is a problem with it. It is probably something that I am doing wrong. Perhaps the lady who told me that that was all there was was right. I can't help thinking that as I now have the name of my grandfather, there must be more details. Kindest regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Divorce Records on Find My Past You are most welcome Linda Hopefully you have now seen from my other replies that you can buy the document/s online Pity I can't tell you whats contained in them but good luck in your research Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) hello Nivard, In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my Nana in 1920. It cost me £25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the names of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i was most disappointed. In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. It asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all there was. Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name of the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them again to request these other documents. I am so grateful to you. many thanks, Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58

You are most welcome Linda Hopefully you have now seen from my other replies that you can buy the document/s online Pity I can't tell you whats contained in them but good luck in your research Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) hello Nivard, In march 2006 i sent to the courts in London regarding the divorce of my Nana in 1920. It cost me £25 and all I got was 3 copies of the decree nisi with the names of my nana and her former husband. No co-respondent name, no details etc.i was most disappointed. In August 06 I found a slip of paper in the envelope, which I had missed. It asked me to write to a Mr Brewster if I required the grounds for the divorce. naturally I wrote immediately. i got a reply telling me that Mr Brewster no longer worked there and that the document which I had was all there was. Following the link which you posted for Susie, I have now found the name of the co-respondent (who was my grand father) and will be writing to them again to request these other documents. I am so grateful to you. many thanks, Linda