Hi, Brian, I think I was the first to "name" you as the originator of this interesting discussion going on with the sharing of your letters. The site was pretty quiet for quite awhile, and your letters sparked a lot of personal memories of Leicester and surrounding areas that I think have rejuvenated the members and reminded us all that genealogy is important; but putting our ancestors' lives in context as much as possible allows us to understand them and the lives they led more fully. I think the discussion about list members' personal recollections is marvelous. We are preserving memories before they are lost to time or physical disability--exactly as it should be. To honor the past, we need both the technical details from our ancestors's lives and details about the times and places in which they lived. Thank you for so gently and eloquently reminding us of that fact. My grandfather was born in Hugglescote and grew up there before moving to Barnsley to follow coal mining opportunities. He emigrated to the USA in 1883. Being an American, I really have no idea most of the time about the dialect or the places being discussed. I still find all of the discussion fascinating, and I am reading every word. What strikes me the most is my realization that even though the words and the place names might be different--my personal memories of growing up in a small town in the central United States are virtually the same. We are separated by geography and governments, but it is remarkable how much the human condition over time periods remains the same! My second observation is that I think, through this memories discussion, we are beginning to put human faces on the members of the list which can only strengthen the bonds that tie us together as family historians--and that can only be a good thing as we strive to help each other with our common goals. I can't wait for June to finish her collating project! --Carolyn, in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Binns Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] memories It would appear that I have been "named" as the person who started this thread with my Victorian Letters.

It would appear that I have been "named" as the person who started this thread with my Victorian Letters. Although I was born in Nottingham, I have quite a few connections with Leicestershire, apart from living here now. I used to be a trainee manager with F.W.Woolworth Ltd and started at their branch in Nottingham. Part of the training was that you moved around the region, and following stints in Northampton, Birmingham and Llandudno, I spent 2 years at the Loughborough store (where I met my wife to be) before moving to the Woolworths on Gallowtree Gate. This also had entrances on Halford Street - and just while this street is being mentioned, why is it pronounced in Leicester as Half-ord Street, rather than Hal-ford? At this time in 1968, this was one of the most modern of Woolworth stores. In contrast, the two other Leicester stores, in The Market Place and on Belgrave Road (opposite BUSM) still had the wooden floors and the old style of counters, and by comparison were antiquated. Later in my career I worked in sales, firstly in Grocery, then Wines and Spirits, and latterly Greeting Cards, so the mention of such stores as Lewis's, Morgan and Squires, Midland Educational, Simpkin & James etc all brought back memories of selling to these various outlets. When I used to work at Woolworths Leicester, I used to street park my car close by the old Railway Goods Station - was it Samuel Street? We then walked to the store and I recall having to go past an animal hide factory, or was it a tannery. Somewhere around Rutland Street it would have been, but my knowledge of old Leicester streets is not good. There used to be animal skins lying around inside the open gates and the smell was awful. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham Jennings Sent: 19 February 2012 20:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] memories Anybody remember the small Woolies (Woolworths) in the market place, with it's rickety wooden escalator at the right hand side as you went in? .My dad used to send us there to get shoe repair materials.It smelled old and of wood polish . Graham -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Chaney Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] memories Hi Listers, A shop that hasn't been mentioned is a gift shop that I think was called Spalls, on Gallowtree Gate when I moved to Leicester in 1961. Soon after it moved to High Street and closed a few years later, which caused a flood of letters to the Leicester Mercury bemoaning its loss. It always seemed very busy so its closure came as a bit of a shock. >From what everyone has written, it seems the shops in Leicester in the post-war years were still as Victorian as those in London. I re-experienced all those smells at Flambards in Cornwall, where they have constructed a Victorian town centre with amazing detail, even to those smells. Lesley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4817 - Release Date: 02/18/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4817 - Release Date: 02/18/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2113/4820 - Release Date: 02/19/12

I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily Post giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three years penal servitude. Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent death or marriage record for her. She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints Leicester on 7 October 1877. Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, when his son was in court for stealing. Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much appreciated. Derek Bradshaw.

Anybody remember the small Woolies (Woolworths) in the market place, with it's rickety wooden escalator at the right hand side as you went in? .My dad used to send us there to get shoe repair materials.It smelled old and of wood polish . Graham -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Chaney Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] memories Hi Listers, A shop that hasn't been mentioned is a gift shop that I think was called Spalls, on Gallowtree Gate when I moved to Leicester in 1961. Soon after it moved to High Street and closed a few years later, which caused a flood of letters to the Leicester Mercury bemoaning its loss. It always seemed very busy so its closure came as a bit of a shock. >From what everyone has written, it seems the shops in Leicester in the post-war years were still as Victorian as those in London. I re-experienced all those smells at Flambards in Cornwall, where they have constructed a Victorian town centre with amazing detail, even to those smells. Lesley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My dear mum died in march last year aged 93 and like your mother slid into the abyss of dementia ,It is so important to record the details of their experiences . My mum had very poor origins and it didn't get a lot better. Both of her siblings died at or just after birth and mum must have been only 3 yet she had an amazing recollection of a childish remark she made at the time .She attended St Marks School in Belgrave where because she was left handed her left arm was tied behind her back to force her to write with her right hand! She was a" runner" for The Wolsey at the age 14 and Her family were the second ones to move into a new council house on Stevenson Drive .Luxury she said "our own toilet" I have a few recordings of general conversations and her singing but at the next family do i will initiate conversations about mum and dad and record them to transcribe later. Graham ---Original Message----- From: Louis Mills Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Recording memories It's appropriate to capture these memories. One thing I did to capture some of my mother's memories before her death was to write down some questions and tape record a session with her. My mother was in her 20s when World War II started and lived near Trafalgar Square in London for a few years while serving as a WAAF. It was not as easy to do as I had hoped. My mum was showing signs of early Alzheimer's. Her memory of her youth was strong, but she'd quickly forget the questions I had asked. I noticed, too, that her accent thickened the further back we went in time. And she mumbled more. She cried during a lot of it, even when the events were pleasant ones. I was very uncomfortable, but stuck with it. She had been in a teenage dance troupe that toured England, Clifton's Cabaret Kids, an had once been in a show with Louis Armstrong. She remembered him vividly, although she wasn't on the stage at the same time as he. My mum took a job in a chocolate shop as a young woman, thinking she'd love to be able to sample the wares they sold. But she said that after a week, she couldn't stand the smell of chocolate any more and left after three weeks. It was years before she could eat chocolate again. So I'm recommending everyone on the list find mum or dad or some relative willing to talk about the old times, record them and save it for prosperity. It would be great if you could save it on the Internet in a Portable Document file, maybe with a few photos, but the tape itself will be worth more than gold to you after this person passes on. Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a wild guess, Derek, but I have a relative who stood trial in Leicester in 1883. He was found guilty and sentenced to penal servitude in Millbank Penitentiary in London. Millbank was the famous prison where people were relocated to Australia. However, all of that had stopped by the time your Selina went on trial in 1902. However, if you can't find them in 1911, do you think it possible that they might have emigrated? --Carolyn, in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:51 PM To: Leicestershire Mailing List Subject: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily Post giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three years penal servitude. Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent death or marriage record for her. She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints Leicester on 7 October 1877. Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, when his son was in court for stealing. Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much appreciated. Derek Bradshaw. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's an awful long way :-) Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Peatling Parva -snip- How far is Peatling Parva from Lutterworth? -snip- Marg, it was, in 18716.5 miles north east of Lutterworth.     Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there miners before the Second World War had a rough old time in Leicestershire Father tells of picking coal from the banks, etc. There were a number of mines opening in West Yorkshire, Lancashire.and the pay and conditions were better than Leicestershire so many miners moved North Know my grand mother Ada born Gadsby, married Hopkin, then when my grand father died she married a Fowkes, and the family moved North to Ingeleton in the West Riding of Yorkshire (for census purposes it is in Lancashire) Do remember that there were other Liecs. families up in Inge leton, but many after war when the mine closed moved back to Leics. but not all of them. Some had married, etc., others like my father had gone into the Royal Navy, and married a Yorkshire lass. So if you find a miner or family vanishing look north west regards Terry l > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to reassure you Graham I didn`t have my wedding dress `on appro`and didn`t return it after being worn--in fact I still have it.Yes they were very patronising,I wouldn`t have dared gone in without my mother ! Liz H ----Original Message---- From: [email protected] Date: 19/02/2012 16:46 To: <[email protected]> Subj: Re: [LEI] Memories I worked at Morgan Squires in 1965 . It was a very "are you being served " Store . There was even a Mrs Slocomb character there ( no cat jokes please !) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:39 PM To: LEICS post mess Subject: [LEI] Memories We used to go to Saturday night dancing at the Bell when we`d saved up enough,usually though,we went dancing at a place above a Milk Bar--- can`t remember the name of it,it was about3/4 mile south of the Midland Station on the main road to ?Oadby,on a corner.We would buy an orange squash and ask for 6 straws. And anyone remember Morgan Squires? bought my wedding dress there in 1958. Marshall and Snellgrove was Adderleys in those days---very posh. Shoes and "seconds" in knitwear from local factories were great value. Going further back,my husband`s grandmother who lived in Newport Pagnell,was an apprentice milliner in Leicester in the late 1890s that was where she met, and later married,my husband`s grandfather whose home was in London,but whio was an apprentice tailor in Leicester Liz H ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, A shop that hasn't been mentioned is a gift shop that I think was called Spalls, on Gallowtree Gate when I moved to Leicester in 1961. Soon after it moved to High Street and closed a few years later, which caused a flood of letters to the Leicester Mercury bemoaning its loss. It always seemed very busy so its closure came as a bit of a shock. >From what everyone has written, it seems the shops in Leicester in the post-war years were still as Victorian as those in London. I re-experienced all those smells at Flambards in Cornwall, where they have constructed a Victorian town centre with amazing detail, even to those smells. Lesley

I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily Post giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three years penal servitude. Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent death or marriage record for her. She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints Leicester on 7 October 1877. Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, when his son was in court for stealing. Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much appreciated. Derek Bradshaw.

Derek: I have a branch in my tree that was charged and sentenced in 1879 Nottingham assizes. She was a resident of Nottingham. She showed up in 1881 at the "Female Convict Prison" Knaphill, Woking, Guildford, Surrey It seemed to me to be quite distant but perhaps there were limited number of prisons for females. She was sentenced to death, had it commuted to life in prison but showed up in 1891, 1901 and 1911 back with family members. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Sent: February 19, 2012 3:51 PM To: Leicestershire Mailing List Subject: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily Post giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three years penal servitude. Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent death or marriage record for her. She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints Leicester on 7 October 1877. Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, when his son was in court for stealing. Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much appreciated. Derek Bradshaw. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I worked at Morgan Squires in 1965 . It was a very "are you being served " Store . There was even a Mrs Slocomb character there ( no cat jokes please !) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:39 PM To: LEICS post mess Subject: [LEI] Memories We used to go to Saturday night dancing at the Bell when we`d saved up enough,usually though,we went dancing at a place above a Milk Bar--- can`t remember the name of it,it was about3/4 mile south of the Midland Station on the main road to ?Oadby,on a corner.We would buy an orange squash and ask for 6 straws. And anyone remember Morgan Squires? bought my wedding dress there in 1958. Marshall and Snellgrove was Adderleys in those days---very posh. Shoes and "seconds" in knitwear from local factories were great value. Going further back,my husband`s grandmother who lived in Newport Pagnell,was an apprentice milliner in Leicester in the late 1890s that was where she met, and later married,my husband`s grandfather whose home was in London,but whio was an apprentice tailor in Leicester Liz H ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We used to go to Saturday night dancing at the Bell when we`d saved up enough,usually though,we went dancing at a place above a Milk Bar--- can`t remember the name of it,it was about3/4 mile south of the Midland Station on the main road to ?Oadby,on a corner.We would buy an orange squash and ask for 6 straws. And anyone remember Morgan Squires? bought my wedding dress there in 1958. Marshall and Snellgrove was Adderleys in those days---very posh. Shoes and "seconds" in knitwear from local factories were great value. Going further back,my husband`s grandmother who lived in Newport Pagnell,was an apprentice milliner in Leicester in the late 1890s that was where she met, and later married,my husband`s grandfather whose home was in London,but whio was an apprentice tailor in Leicester Liz H

-snip- How far is Peatling Parva from Lutterworth? -snip- Marg, it was, in 18716.5 miles north east of Lutterworth. ??? Lou Egads!  That's not what I thought I had typed in!  Should be "six point five" miles.     Lou

HI Derek, Presumably you are aware of Gail Durst who was posting in 2006 and 2009 about this mystery. Another person brought to Gail's attention another daughter Annie, who was living with Selina in Leicester in 1901 and with Deborah Alice MOLLETT (nee BRADSHAW) in Blaby in 1911. If you go here: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Family-research/story-12899005-detail/story.html you will find Gail's post and her email address. Also, someone posting here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498555.msg3553357.html claims to have information for all 9 of William and Selina's children. Hope that helps. Paul On 19/02/2012 12:50 PM, Derek wrote: > I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily Post > giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three > years penal servitude. > Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her > sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. > > I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent death > or marriage record for her. > > She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married > WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints Leicester > on 7 October 1877. > > Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after > 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, > when his son was in court for stealing. > > Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much appreciated. > > Derek Bradshaw. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann Marie Your comments are very valid to those who are and will be researching their ancestors that lived there over time If we don't record our memories, researchers will be as bereft of knowledge of local businesses as most of are with our earlier relatives If only our parents and grandparents had the same facilities as we have with Rootsweb archives, how much better informed we would be All posts to the lists are archived enabling others to benefit from these reminiscences Your mention of the tobacco shop reminds me of one on Belvoir street , as you say the atmosphere was so strong you could cut it with a knife <g> I can vaguely remember two shops in Leicester that your post reminded me of, one was a furniture shop and had a rocking chair in an upper corner window and the other had a rocking horse in the window but cannot recall where either was The only memory I have of Market Harborough was the butter market Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I know its not a shop from Leicester but as a small child in the 60’s I remember going into the > local sweet shop/tobacconist in the Square in Market Harborough > > It was all completely wooden display cases > not only with all the wonderful penny sweets you > could get and the counter being a glass display cabinet which when tall enough you could see into > but when you went through this little archway > you went into the tobacconist which was identical but the smells of all the different Cigars and > cigarettes > was so strong. so strong in fact you would come out of the shop smelling of cigars for hours > after. > > A lovely lady called Nancy used to work there > > All the shops in the town as a child seem to have wooden interiors and smelt old > > Oh and the Clarks/Start Right shoe shop up the Leicester Road (another small narrow shop with > wooden displays and floor) had a rocking horse > in it that many children used to play with while waiting their turn to have their feet measured. > > Ann-Marie

I was thinking that, too, Peter. I even checked to see if the person answering the question might have lived in New zealand, or some other faraway location and was having a little joke at our expense! Grin! --Carolyn, in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Hirons Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:30 PM To: 'Louis Mills'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] Peatling Parva That's an awful long way :-) Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Mills Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Peatling Parva -snip- How far is Peatling Parva from Lutterworth? -snip- Marg, it was, in 18716.5 miles north east of Lutterworth.     Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Me Ducks Better post my names too, or at least my husband's; NEWTON in Loughborough - not found much as they were Roman Catholic MARCHANT in Loughborough, Quorn and possibly other places BROWN in Loughborough and Quorn CROSS in Loughborough Jan in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "fabis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Family Reaserch >I have really enjoyed all the recent posts about our memories it has > bought my interest in my tree alive again > > My interests are the names North from Queniborough,Syston and Belgrave > also Mason from Belgrave > > > Margaret > > > On 17/02/2012 21:17, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Terry >> >> > From the lists home page >> >> Topic: anyone with an interest in genealogy, family surname origins, or >> historical research related >> to the counties of Leicestershire and Rutland, England. >> >> All that has been discussed *is* genealogy or local history related to >> Leicestershire >> >> You have a delete button if you are not interested, many others including >> me appear to be >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >>> We seem to be drifting off what this site was designed for. Terry >>> Ratcliffe >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4817 - Release Date: 02/18/12 >

Hello Margaret I worked at North's Toy and Model Store in the early 60 (model section) at Melton Turn and knew your Uncle Fred and sometimes drove him around. I would stand in at the Hinckley Rd branch when the couple who ran it went on there annual holidays. Graham Grant Sydney Australia > North's Toy shop/travel agents was owned and run by my grandmother and > later by my uncle Fred North, as a child I was allowed to roam around > the stock room at the back of the shop. They had two shops the other on > the Melton road in Belgrave, that was the one I spent time in. Hynard > Hughes was also run by a family member, they also had two shops the one > my mum went to for the Christmas sherry was next door to North's on > Melton road. > > Margaret > >