Hi Nivard Thanks for your reply. I'm clutching at straws here and hoping he would be in barracks. I wasn't sure at what age lads could join up or if there was a Leicestershire Regiment. If he was in the army in 1855 he had left by 1861 You're right - in 1861 he was a bricklayers labourer, in 1871 a labourer, in 1874 on arrival in NZ a farm labourer and on his death cert in 1877 a labourer. Not many clues to finding him in 1841 or 1851 other than he was possibly born in Leeds, father John, mother maybe Elizabeth. Barbara > Hi Barbara > > Soldiers would be enumerated in the normal way if in England, Scotland or Wales, if abroad they may > not be > > If your man is the Bricklayers Labourer in Leicester in 1861 aged 27, he would presumably be 17 in > 1851, which would be young for a soldier in 1851 and if he were its unlikely he would be overseas > > I do not see a John SMITH as a soldier anywhere in the census in 1851 of the right age, the nearest > is one born 1827 who is in Lancashire > > So if he is a soldier in 1855 its unlikely that he was in 1851, do you know what the fathers > occupation was on the three childrens births who are with their parents in 1861? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> On his marriage certificate in 1855 John SMITH's occupation is soldier >> and his father's name is John, confectioner. He was born in Leeds in >> 1833 and was married in Leicester to Sarah Ann SHARMAN. >> >> I would like to know if there was a regiment in Leicester in the >> 1850's and where would I look for soldiers in the 1851 census. >> >> Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On his marriage certificate in 1855 John SMITH's occupation is soldier and his father's name is John, confectioner. He was born in Leeds in 1833 and was married in Leicester to Sarah Ann SHARMAN. I would like to know if there was a regiment in Leicester in the 1850's and where would I look for soldiers in the 1851 census. Barbara

Hello Darren, Elizabeth Bakewell Bapt: 1 Nov 1788 was the eldest daughter of Richard Bakewell and Elizabeth Mann (5th Daughter of George Mann) I don't have the marriage of Samuel Burdett but I do have a copy of the Birth & Baptism of their eldest daughter-- Jane Born 20 Nov 1809. Bapt 22 Nov 1809 ( both dates on the record) at St. Mary. Melton Mowbray. Samuel is said to be the son of Samuel Burdett of Ashley. Northamptonshire. I will email you a copy if thats acceptable. My connection to the Bakewells is through Richard and his brother John, they are half brothers to my ancestor Thomas Spur(r) and his brother William and sister Bridget. Richards parents are Abraham Bakewell and his 2nd wife Bridget Spur formerly Jenkinson. Regards from Dora McCarthy. in Queensland, Australia On 08/05/2012, at 9:52 AM, Darren Wheatley wrote: > Hi, > > Although these names are from Leicestershire, the family went on to > live for generations in Louth, Lincolnshire. They were all carpet > weavers. > I'm trying to trace my Louth line back into Leicestershire. > Does anyone on the list have any information on the following: > Samuel BURDETT b. 1787 in Bringhurst, Market Harborough, > Leicestershire, a carpet weaver > m. Elizabeth BAKEWELL, b. Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire > Samuel's parents were possibly: > Samuel BURDETT b. 1762, Bringhurst, Market Harborough, Leicestershire > m. Jane OLIVER b. 1760, Bringhurst, Market Harborough, Leicestershire > Regards > Darren. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi again Because of the way the Army works he is likely to have left the Army before or just after marriage (marriage whilst in the Army would be very limited and he had children all in Leicestershire) I doubt he was in service long enough to get a pension The Leicestershire Regiment or the 17th Regiment of Foot was in the Crimea around that time There was one Private John SMITH 3094 who was entitled to the Crimea medal However there were many more John SMITHs in the Army, there is no absolute connection between the birthplace or residence of a man and the Regiment he served in so your John SMITH could as easily have served in any Regiment Many of the PRs for Leeds are on Ancestry and I have checked all those baptised in the period with a father John, none were a confectioner (mind you the father could quite easily have changed jobs between 1841 and 1855, if John did not invent the occupation of course) The best I could find with a confectioner connection is the following who may be the father 1851 England Census about John Smith Name: John Smith Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Partner Gender: M (Male) Where born: Hatton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 2319 Folio: 251 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Harley 69 Elizabeth Harley 27 Susan Harley 25 John Smith 43 confectioner (partner in trade) Martha Smith 43 Anna Smith 15 James Smith 11 Ann Smith 3 Ellis Leadbeater 28 Hannah Leadbeater 30 Hannah Leadbeater 5 HO107; Piece: 2319; Folio: 251; Page: 15; GSU roll: 87542-87544. Your John could easily be working away by then Where were you drawing the mothers name Elizabeth from? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Nivard > > Thanks for your reply. I'm clutching at straws here and hoping he would > be in barracks. I wasn't sure at what age lads could join up or if there > was a Leicestershire Regiment. If he was in the army in 1855 he had left > by 1861 > > You're right - in 1861 he was a bricklayers labourer, in 1871 a > labourer, in 1874 on arrival in NZ a farm labourer and on his death cert > in 1877 a labourer. Not many clues to finding him in 1841 or 1851 other > than he was possibly born in Leeds, father John, mother maybe Elizabeth. > > Barbara >> Hi Barbara

Hi Barbara Soldiers would be enumerated in the normal way if in England, Scotland or Wales, if abroad they may not be If your man is the Bricklayers Labourer in Leicester in 1861 aged 27, he would presumably be 17 in 1851, which would be young for a soldier in 1851 and if he were its unlikely he would be overseas I do not see a John SMITH as a soldier anywhere in the census in 1851 of the right age, the nearest is one born 1827 who is in Lancashire So if he is a soldier in 1855 its unlikely that he was in 1851, do you know what the fathers occupation was on the three childrens births who are with their parents in 1861? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On his marriage certificate in 1855 John SMITH's occupation is soldier > and his father's name is John, confectioner. He was born in Leeds in > 1833 and was married in Leicester to Sarah Ann SHARMAN. > > I would like to know if there was a regiment in Leicester in the > 1850's and where would I look for soldiers in the 1851 census. > > Barbara

Hi, Although these names are from Leicestershire, the family went on to live for generations in Louth, Lincolnshire. They were all carpet weavers. I'm trying to trace my Louth line back into Leicestershire. Does anyone on the list have any information on the following: Samuel BURDETT b. 1787 in Bringhurst, Market Harborough, Leicestershire, a carpet weaver m. Elizabeth BAKEWELL, b. Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire Samuel's parents were possibly: Samuel BURDETT b. 1762, Bringhurst, Market Harborough, Leicestershire m. Jane OLIVER b. 1760, Bringhurst, Market Harborough, Leicestershire Regards Darren.

In 1875 my gg grandfather, Benjamin Hubbard, was "elected to be one of the poor of the Hospital of the Holy Trinity at the Newak near the Borough of Leicester ........... and to receive and partake of the Benefits of the said hospital." I have Benjamin's admission letter which I received from the Leicestershire Rutland Record Office. So, now I have a thirst for more information. Would anyone know if there are more records I could obtain which would indicate his health or what benefits he may have received? I'm pretty sure that he lived at home. I know that married men were allowed to live at home and I have records showing him living in Derby from 1879 to his death in 1889. Janice Massachusetts, USA

Hi all Just wondered if anyone could help with a Baptism check >From the IGI SAMUEL COOK Christening: 26 APR 1846 Orton On The Hill, Leicester, England Mother: HANNAH COOK Family C034721 1594 - 1656 0585286 Film NONE C034721 1668 - 1875 0585286 Film NONE There was also an older sister to Samuel born in 1843 and an older brother George born in 1857 all Orton on the Hill I wondered if there was mention of a father on any of these childrens Baptisms? Hannah is enumerated as unmarried in 1851 and is with her parents Joseph & Elizabeth , likewise in 1861 If anyone has access to the PRs for Orton it would be much appreciated as a father is noticeably absent throughout Ann b1843 disappears after 1851 but I can track Samuel & George thereafter Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Many Thanks to N Ovington Lesley Chaney and Ann-Marie Ell who helped solve my Richard Westbrook soldier pensioner All the best for now Regards Ken

Hi, Can anyone help with a Richard WESTBROOK . How can he be a soldier in 1883. yet a pensioner in 1853. Daughter Mary WESTBROOK born 4 April 1853 Mkt Harborough Leics her parents Richard WESTBROOK Pensioner and Anna Lummis WESTBROOK late ASBERY. When daughter Mary WESTBROOKE married 20 July 1883 at Mkt Harborough her father is quoted as Richard WESTBROOKE Soldier. The marriage certificate never mentioned Richard as deceased. How can he be a solider in 1883 yet a pensioner in 1853. All the best for now Regards Ken

I have found a Richard Westbrook of Gt Bowden being buried 5th January 1853 aged 37 in Market Harborough Ann-Marie -----Original Message----- From: Ken Stanger Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Richard WESTBROOK soldier Hi, Can anyone help with a Richard WESTBROOK . How can he be a soldier in 1883. yet a pensioner in 1853. Daughter Mary WESTBROOK born 4 April 1853 Mkt Harborough Leics her parents Richard WESTBROOK Pensioner and Anna Lummis WESTBROOK late ASBERY. When daughter Mary WESTBROOKE married 20 July 1883 at Mkt Harborough her father is quoted as Richard WESTBROOKE Soldier. The marriage certificate never mentioned Richard as deceased. How can he be a solider in 1883 yet a pensioner in 1853. All the best for now Regards Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken, If his is the death in 1853 that Paul Roberts found, then the puzzle can easily be explained. Mary gave her father's occupation according to what she had been told, not from personal knowledge. Deceased fathers are often not recorded as such on marriage certificates because either the bride didn't volunteer the information or the vicar didn't ask. My grandmother's father died before her 2nd birthday and when I found the marriage entries of her siblings, they all had different ideas about their father's occupation! Hope that helps, Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ken Stanger Hi, Can anyone help with a Richard WESTBROOK . How can he be a soldier in 1883. yet a pensioner in 1853. Daughter Mary WESTBROOK born 4 April 1853 Mkt Harborough Leics her parents Richard WESTBROOK Pensioner and Anna Lummis WESTBROOK late ASBERY. When daughter Mary WESTBROOKE married 20 July 1883 at Mkt Harborough her father is quoted as Richard WESTBROOKE Soldier. The marriage certificate never mentioned Richard as deceased. How can he be a solider in 1883 yet a pensioner in 1853. All the best for now Regards Ken

Hi Ken The marriage cert merely refects what the informant gave They said he *was* a soldier The fact that he was also a pensioner at some point does not stop him from having once been a soldier If an informant said their father was a brain surgeon, that is what would be on the cert, no one would check the validity of the statement If the right question was not asked they may not have mentioned he was deceased at the time of the marriage Have you checked the Chelsea Pension records for your man? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Ken Stanger <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, >            Can anyone help with  a  Richard WESTBROOK . > > How can he be a soldier in 1883.      yet a pensioner in 1853. > > >  Daughter    Mary WESTBROOK born 4 April 1853 Mkt Harborough Leics > > her parents Richard WESTBROOK Pensioner  and Anna Lummis WESTBROOK  late > ASBERY. > > > When daughter Mary WESTBROOKE married 20 July 1883  at  Mkt Harborough her > father is quoted as > > Richard WESTBROOKE    Soldier. > > > The marriage certificate never mentioned  Richard as deceased. > > > How can he be a solider in 1883          yet a pensioner  in 1853. > > All the best for now > Regards Ken

Hi Ken, How about this one? He died at about the same time that Mary was born. Deaths Mar 1853 (>99%) Westbrook Richard Market H. 7a 13 Hope that helps, Paul On 14/04/2012 8:00 PM, Ken Stanger wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone help with a Richard WESTBROOK . > > How can he be a soldier in 1883. yet a pensioner in 1853. > > > Daughter Mary WESTBROOK born 4 April 1853 Mkt Harborough Leics > > her parents Richard WESTBROOK Pensioner and Anna Lummis WESTBROOK late > ASBERY. > > > When daughter Mary WESTBROOKE married 20 July 1883 at Mkt Harborough her > father is quoted as > > Richard WESTBROOKE Soldier. > > > The marriage certificate never mentioned Richard as deceased. > > > How can he be a solider in 1883 yet a pensioner in 1853. > > All the best for now > Regards Ken > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rob Sidney Phillips was the man's name -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Burns Sent: 13 April 2012 19:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] Help needed on WW1 regiment badge Elizabeth what was the guys name Rob -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth York <[email protected]> To: leicestershire-plus <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:25 Subject: [LEI] Help needed on WW1 regiment badge Hi Listers We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm Can anyone help? Many Thanks Elizabeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It looks a bit like the Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment - see http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/badges/infan5.htm. If not, you may need to use Google (or similar) to find search through images of cap badges on the internet and hope to find a match. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth York Sent: 13 April 2012 19:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Help needed on WW1 regiment badge Hi Listers We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm Can anyone help? Many Thanks Elizabeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth, The shoulder badge says 'Duke of Wellingtons', I think :) see... http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ww1-allies-great-britain-france-usa-etc-1914-1918/duke-wellingtons-regt-insignia-3778/ Regards, John On 13/04/2012 19:25, Elizabeth York wrote: > Hi Listers > > > > We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. > I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. > > > > I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. > > > > http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > Many Thanks > > Elizabeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eliozabeth, The cap badge looks like this one... THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON'S (WEST RIDING) REGIMENT* *See... http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/badges/infan5.htm Regards, John * * On 13/04/2012 19:25, Elizabeth York wrote: > Hi Listers > > > > We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. > I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. > > > > I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. > > > > http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > Many Thanks > > Elizabeth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm Can anyone help? Many Thanks Elizabeth

Elizabeth what was the guys name Rob -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth York <[email protected]> To: leicestershire-plus <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:25 Subject: [LEI] Help needed on WW1 regiment badge Hi Listers We have a photo that we need help with. It is a World War 1 Regiment Badge. I've trawled through various websites but can't see anything exact. I'm uploaded the photo to the following website. http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/HelpNeeded.htm Can anyone help? Many Thanks Elizabeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message