Hmm. Perhaps I do need to spend some more time on this family instead of the Needhams, where I'm hitting some roadblocks. These orders sound like very interesting items to look into! Thanks again Mike! Concetta On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk>wrote: > Hi Concetta, > > It looks like the Toon/Toone families of Coleorton have a colourful > history. > The following is taken from the LRFHS Quarter Sessions Index CD: > > On 12 Oct 1723, Joseph & Sarah Toone, with their 6 week old son John, have > a > Removal Order served on them to be removed from Ratby to Coleorton (ref > QS3/38/4, film MF50). > > On 15 Oct 1791, William Toone, a bondsman of Coleorton, was served with a > Filiation Order. His father is named as John. It is actually called a > B***ardy Order, but I won't spell it out, as some email systems may filter > out the email as containing bad language) (ref QS3/310/4, film MF64) > > On 15 Jun 1799, a Filiation Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth > Toone, a single woman of the parish of Coleorton (ref QS3/340/80, film > MF504) > > On 04 Oct 1816, a Declaration was made by Elizabeth Toone of Coleorton (ref > QS3/409/6, film MF513). Although there is no further information in the > index, it is likely that it is connected with the following order : > On 23 Nov 1816, a Maintenance Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth > Toone of Coleorton (ref QS3/410/34, film MF513). > > On 14 Feb 1820, a Filiation Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth > Toon, a single woman of the parish of Coleorton (ref QS3/429-31/2, film > MF516) > On 08 Apr 1820, a Declaration was made by Elizabeth Toon of Coleorton (ref > QS3/429-31/16, film MF516) > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 12 August 2013 23:29 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] Toon family of Coleorton, Thringstone, Packington, > Swannington > > I thought I would start a new topic since things are getting kind of buried > in the Old school records thread. > > Thank you to Mike and Geraldine for your leads! You've got me excited to > work on this family. > > So I went over to FMP and did a search for the family in 1851. It looks > like the family have left the area after Edward Toon is born in April 1850, > as I found the family in 1851 living in Thringstone. > > So I have an interesting history here: > > John Toon is born in Coleorton in 1799-ish (have to order his parish > records to be looked up). > By 1841, he's married to Elizabeth Amelia Wheatley, still in Coleorton. > John stays in Coleorton until 1871, when he moves to Swannington, > I may have his death in 1879 in Leicester, however, the probate index > indicates he was a dairyman, and that doesn't seem to fit with the other > pieces of information I have about him. So that's probably wrong. > > John's son James (my 3rd great grandfather) seems to be a basket case. He's > born in Thringstone in 1829. > He's with the family in 1841 in Coleorton. > In 1850, he marries Jane Halfpenny in Ashby-de-la-Zouch. > James's son Edward lists himself as being born in Coleorton on the census > in April 1850. > In 1851, he's listed in Thringstone on the census. > 1861, the family is in Packington. > 1871, the family is in Swannington > 1881, the family is in Skegby where daughter Agnes is the post mistress. > In Sept Quarter 1901, I have James Toon's death (not quite proven yet, of > course). > > He is a coal miner, so I guess I should expect some bouncing around. But it > does make things complicated that they have so many children and that the > kids birth places change somewhat frequently on the censuses (I'm guessing > they lost their memories after so many children running through the house > LOL). > > So far for the children of James and Jane I have: > Edward 1 - b. April 1850 in Coleorton > James - b. 1853 in Thringstone > Sarah Ann - b. Dec Q 1853 in Thringstone > Edward 2 - b. Jan Q 1857 in Thringstone > Agnes - b. April 1858 in Thringstone > George - b. 1860 in Thringstone > William - b. 1861 in Coalville > Amos - b. 1862 Packington > Alice - b. 1864 in Swannington > Elizabeth - b. 1865 in Swannington > Clara - b. 1870 in Packington > John James - b. 1874 in Skegby, Notts. > > Between Coleorton and Thringstone I'm going to be busy for quite awhile > with this family, I think! > > Concetta > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Concetta, It looks like the Toon/Toone families of Coleorton have a colourful history. The following is taken from the LRFHS Quarter Sessions Index CD: On 12 Oct 1723, Joseph & Sarah Toone, with their 6 week old son John, have a Removal Order served on them to be removed from Ratby to Coleorton (ref QS3/38/4, film MF50). On 15 Oct 1791, William Toone, a bondsman of Coleorton, was served with a Filiation Order. His father is named as John. It is actually called a B***ardy Order, but I won't spell it out, as some email systems may filter out the email as containing bad language) (ref QS3/310/4, film MF64) On 15 Jun 1799, a Filiation Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth Toone, a single woman of the parish of Coleorton (ref QS3/340/80, film MF504) On 04 Oct 1816, a Declaration was made by Elizabeth Toone of Coleorton (ref QS3/409/6, film MF513). Although there is no further information in the index, it is likely that it is connected with the following order : On 23 Nov 1816, a Maintenance Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth Toone of Coleorton (ref QS3/410/34, film MF513). On 14 Feb 1820, a Filiation Order was raised in connection with Elizabeth Toon, a single woman of the parish of Coleorton (ref QS3/429-31/2, film MF516) On 08 Apr 1820, a Declaration was made by Elizabeth Toon of Coleorton (ref QS3/429-31/16, film MF516) Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. Phillipps Sent: 12 August 2013 23:29 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Toon family of Coleorton, Thringstone, Packington, Swannington I thought I would start a new topic since things are getting kind of buried in the Old school records thread. Thank you to Mike and Geraldine for your leads! You've got me excited to work on this family. So I went over to FMP and did a search for the family in 1851. It looks like the family have left the area after Edward Toon is born in April 1850, as I found the family in 1851 living in Thringstone. So I have an interesting history here: John Toon is born in Coleorton in 1799-ish (have to order his parish records to be looked up). By 1841, he's married to Elizabeth Amelia Wheatley, still in Coleorton. John stays in Coleorton until 1871, when he moves to Swannington, I may have his death in 1879 in Leicester, however, the probate index indicates he was a dairyman, and that doesn't seem to fit with the other pieces of information I have about him. So that's probably wrong. John's son James (my 3rd great grandfather) seems to be a basket case. He's born in Thringstone in 1829. He's with the family in 1841 in Coleorton. In 1850, he marries Jane Halfpenny in Ashby-de-la-Zouch. James's son Edward lists himself as being born in Coleorton on the census in April 1850. In 1851, he's listed in Thringstone on the census. 1861, the family is in Packington. 1871, the family is in Swannington 1881, the family is in Skegby where daughter Agnes is the post mistress. In Sept Quarter 1901, I have James Toon's death (not quite proven yet, of course). He is a coal miner, so I guess I should expect some bouncing around. But it does make things complicated that they have so many children and that the kids birth places change somewhat frequently on the censuses (I'm guessing they lost their memories after so many children running through the house LOL). So far for the children of James and Jane I have: Edward 1 - b. April 1850 in Coleorton James - b. 1853 in Thringstone Sarah Ann - b. Dec Q 1853 in Thringstone Edward 2 - b. Jan Q 1857 in Thringstone Agnes - b. April 1858 in Thringstone George - b. 1860 in Thringstone William - b. 1861 in Coalville Amos - b. 1862 Packington Alice - b. 1864 in Swannington Elizabeth - b. 1865 in Swannington Clara - b. 1870 in Packington John James - b. 1874 in Skegby, Notts. Between Coleorton and Thringstone I'm going to be busy for quite awhile with this family, I think! Concetta ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought I would start a new topic since things are getting kind of buried in the Old school records thread. Thank you to Mike and Geraldine for your leads! You've got me excited to work on this family. So I went over to FMP and did a search for the family in 1851. It looks like the family have left the area after Edward Toon is born in April 1850, as I found the family in 1851 living in Thringstone. So I have an interesting history here: John Toon is born in Coleorton in 1799-ish (have to order his parish records to be looked up). By 1841, he's married to Elizabeth Amelia Wheatley, still in Coleorton. John stays in Coleorton until 1871, when he moves to Swannington, I may have his death in 1879 in Leicester, however, the probate index indicates he was a dairyman, and that doesn't seem to fit with the other pieces of information I have about him. So that's probably wrong. John's son James (my 3rd great grandfather) seems to be a basket case. He's born in Thringstone in 1829. He's with the family in 1841 in Coleorton. In 1850, he marries Jane Halfpenny in Ashby-de-la-Zouch. James's son Edward lists himself as being born in Coleorton on the census in April 1850. In 1851, he's listed in Thringstone on the census. 1861, the family is in Packington. 1871, the family is in Swannington 1881, the family is in Skegby where daughter Agnes is the post mistress. In Sept Quarter 1901, I have James Toon's death (not quite proven yet, of course). He is a coal miner, so I guess I should expect some bouncing around. But it does make things complicated that they have so many children and that the kids birth places change somewhat frequently on the censuses (I'm guessing they lost their memories after so many children running through the house LOL). So far for the children of James and Jane I have: Edward 1 - b. April 1850 in Coleorton James - b. 1853 in Thringstone Sarah Ann - b. Dec Q 1853 in Thringstone Edward 2 - b. Jan Q 1857 in Thringstone Agnes - b. April 1858 in Thringstone George - b. 1860 in Thringstone William - b. 1861 in Coalville Amos - b. 1862 Packington Alice - b. 1864 in Swannington Elizabeth - b. 1865 in Swannington Clara - b. 1870 in Packington John James - b. 1874 in Skegby, Notts. Between Coleorton and Thringstone I'm going to be busy for quite awhile with this family, I think! Concetta

Hi Concetta Recently another list member gave a web address for transcribed burials for Coleorton. I can't remember who it was but had bookmarked the site: http://www.coleorton.org.uk/cemeteries.html There are lots of other info about Coleorton on the site from the Links provided. Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Leics: ADAMS, BANCROFT, BEET, COOK, GOWTAGE/GOWTRIDGE, MEASURES, MORTIMER, NEAL, ROSE, SHARP(E), STATHAM, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: C. Phillipps Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:37 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm > wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from > Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more > complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, > a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to > the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far > as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked > > the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists > > going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for > > the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about > > 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Guy, Thanks for all the information. I am very familiar with your website. It is a wealth of information and a big thank you for putting that together! It was on your headstone pages of St. Mary the Virgin where I was able to locate the photos of a few members of my family. I also found information on my 2nd Great Grandfather George Harrison (Mary Adam's husband) who was a registrar and also of John Harrison (3rd GGF) (of Eaton - carrier). Do you by chance take requests for headstone photos from the church St. Mary's? I did not notice the Mary Adams that you mention living with Thos and Catherine who would have been born about 1840. I do have the 1841, 1851, and 1861 censuses for her living with her Grandparents George and Ann Riley (Penninah's parents). The birth age and other information I've collected line up too well for her to be anyone else than the Mary born 1835. What I do find interesting is why is she living with her Grandparents in all 3 census's rather than living with her mother? In fact, neither of her siblings appear in the 1841 census with their mother. In the 1851 Census, Mary Porter is living in the household of George and Ann Riley. This is Penninah's aunt. All in all to me it appears that Penninah gave the care for her 3 children from William over to her parents while she went off with John Lewty and began it all anew. It's yet another of those riddles where I may never find the answer. I have a similar situation going on with a fellow by the name of James Harrison. To conclude Mary's saga; in 1866, Mary Adams marries George Harrison (Registrar of births and deaths) and appears in the 1871 Census in Eaton. Thanks, John

You're welcome ! Thanks By the way, I forgot to cite my source for the settlement rules list (slapped wrist !). It was "Ancestral Trails" by Mark D Herber (an excellent book !) Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. Phillipps Sent: 10 August 2013 21:38 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps I should also have noted that the Riley (Ryley) have been in Bottesford back to at least 1737 when John Ryley and Margaret Marshall married. Did you notice that there is a Mary Adams (age given as 1) on the 1841 census living in the High Street, Bottesford with the family of Thos and Catherine Pickering (ironmonger). Cheers Guy

That was an amazing response, Mike! That clears up so many mysteries for me. Thank you! Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Concetta, Vern & others, > > I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. > > The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the > Leicestershire > Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not > been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. > > The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on > microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can > convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. > > The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. > These > include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, > Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling > for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. > Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. > > In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, > the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last > legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The > Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only > entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: > > 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate > 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum > 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year > 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish > 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish > 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish > 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or > 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the > parish > authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. > > Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some > are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. > So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news > is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to > either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they > hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. > > Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex > subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out > whether > there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. > Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family > and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been > sold > (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a > large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other > areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library > near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the > court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them > (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial > Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in > Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as > I am aware, transcribed. > > Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if > not. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. > Phillipps > Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > > Concetta > On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Vern, > > > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > > found > > your William: > > > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > > 1773 > > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > > 1774 > > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > > 1776 > > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were > members > > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it > may > > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when > it > > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been > unusual > > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm > afraid. > > > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > > probably > > nothing more in that direction. > > > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly > out > > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. > I > > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > > this > > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Mike Gould > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > > Prescott > > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school > records > > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > > in Cole-Orton. > > > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 10/08/2013 01:59, John Peters wrote: > I've had the microfilm on eternal backorder with the FHL. > I am seeking information on a William Adams of Bottesford, Leicestershire. > On 11 Oct 1830, William Adams married Penninah Riley in Bottesford. > The couple had 3 children: > Ann: born 1831 in Bottesford. > William: born and died in 1832 in Bottesford. > And my 2nd Great Grandmother Mary born 1835 in Bottesford. > > On 26 Apr 1838, Penninah goes on to marry John Lewty in Nottingham and > gives birth to 4 more children in Bottesford. > This leads me to believe that William Adams passes away sometime between > 1834-1838. > I have not found information on William Adams birth nor death. > > Penninah was born on 6 March 1809 in Bottesford to George Riley and Ann > Porter. > Any information or leads will be much appreciated! > > John > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > William Adams & Penninah Riley married in Bottesford on 11 October 1830 (both signed the register, witnesses- George & Marie (I think) Riley. Children - Ann baptised 2 March 1831 No baptism for son William in the register but his burial on 14 November 1832 age 1 year. Mary baptised 23 August 1835. The above are all recorded on my Bottesford website. I feel William either died or left Penninah before the birth of Mary, as Mary is described as the daughter of Penninah Adams rather than of William & Penninah. I also think William was not born in Bottesford as there are no baptisms or burials of Adams before 1832 in Bottesford (my database covers baps 1722-1856 burials 1730-1900 marriages 1563-1814). Cheers Guy

You should take a pill for it! :-} David ----- Original Message ----- From: Vern Prescott To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records I think I just managed to send a blank reply from my tablet!!! Vern

Hi Concetta, Vern & others, I'll try to answer several of the questions that have been raised. The Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist Church records are in the Leicestershire Record Office. They are original documents and, as far as I know, have not been filmed by the LDS, but someone may be able to correct me if I'm wrong. The Coleorton Parish Registers are also In the Record Office. They are on microfiche there, and the originals will only be produced if you can convince the staff that the fiche is unreadable. The "Parish Chest" records are also in the appropriate Record Office. These include Removal Orders, Settlement Examinations, Settlement Certificates, Parish Apprenticeships, Filiation Orders and a few other things. Googling for these terms or searching Wikipedia will give you further information. Alternatively, "The Parish Chest" by Tate is a good book, if a bit dry. In answer to Vern's question of does it mean they originated from Breaston, the answer is no - that would be too simple ! It means that their last legal settlement was Breaston. That could be for several reasons. The Settlement Act of 1662 (and later acts) provided that a person was only entitled to relief from a parish if that person was either: 1) someone who held public office in the parish, or paid the parish rate 2) someone who rented property in the parish worth over £10 per annum 3) an unmarried person who had worked in the parish for one year 4) a woman who had married a man of the parish 5) a legitimate child, aged under 7, whose father lived in the parish 6) a child who was illegitimate and born in the parish 7) apprenticed to a master in the parish, or 8) a person resident in the parish for 40 days after having given the parish authorities prior written notice of his intention to do so. Some of the places that we're talking about are in Leicestershire and some are in Derbyshire. Some are now in one but in the past were in the other. So it may be necessary to check both County Record Offices. The good news is that these records are well catalogued, so a phone call or email to either or both Record Office should be sufficient to confirm whether they hold Parish Chest records for the parish concerned. Manorial court records are a different matter. This is a much more complex subject - you need to know who "owned" the parish, and then find out whether there are any surviving manorial records that are in the public domain. Many records have not survived. Some are still in the hands of the family and are not being made available to the general public. Some have been sold (usually in the past - it would not be allowed these days). For example, a large part of the Hasting family manuscripts, which cover, amongst other areas, Kirby Muxloe and Ashby de la Zouche, are in the Huntingdon Library near Los Angeles. These records include recordings of people coming to the court to have the tenancy of their deceased parents transferred to them (copyhold tenancy). If you have ancestors in Earl Shilton, these Manorial Court Rolls have survived and can be a mine of information. They are in Leicestershire Record Office, but again, have not been filmed or, as far as I am aware, transcribed. Hope this answers all the questions asked, but feel free to ask again if not. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. Phillipps Sent: 09 August 2013 20:40 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records Hi Mike, Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very hard yet). Concetta On Aug 9, 2013 4:26 AM, "Mike Gould" <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Vern, > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > found > your William: > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > 1773 > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > 1774 > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > 1776 > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > probably > nothing more in that direction. > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > this > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > Prescott > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > in Cole-Orton. > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Vern, Are you aware of the Removal Order for Joseph Stenson and family: RM3/41 Joseph STENSON Elizabeth wife, William, Thomas, Mary. Sawley to Breaston. 1 May 1812 RM3/42 Suspended order of Joseph STENSON, ill removed Sawley to Breaston. 15 May 1812 It's on <http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/RemovalS.htm> Could it be your family ? No brother Joseph at that time, but do you know if any other details stack up ? Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern Prescott Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Old school records I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 in Cole-Orton. Vern in lovely SW Ontario ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Vern, The Packington reference that Sue found looks interesting. I wouldn't discount the possibility that it was the William for whom you're looking. Although the Baptists did adopt adult baptisms, they also found that it caused problems when it came to proving legally that someone should inherit. One solution was to register births in their church records, so it would be worth checking whether this Packington record really was a baptism, or merely a birth record. Since the name, date and place are right, I would think it must be a possibility. You could check what 18th century records the Record Office holds for Packington Baptist Church by telephoning them. It will be listed in a folder of Baptist churches under "Packington", so it's easy for them to find the list and read it to you. See: <http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/community/museums/record_office.htm> If you can find out whether there is a list of members in 1770 and that it includes a Stenson/Stinson family, but NOT a William, then that will be a good indication that William is an infant. If there is only one husband & wife with the surname, they are likely to be his parents. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern Prescott Sent: 09 August 2013 12:18 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records Thanks, Mike. The William whose baptism you found is not my ggggrandfather since he was buried 29 May 1775. Joseph and Margaret named their next son William in 1785. I think I have read something about a connection to the Beaumont estate, but I have found nothing myself. I have read a few things about William Stenson which I have tried to pursue with the authors, asking them about their source. They never seem to know where it came from. I have read in two places that William Stenson invented a slide rule for engineers but I have not been able to find a papent. I DO know that he patented a steam engine in 1816 and have a copy of the description and drawing that he submitted. I am wondering whether the answers might lie in Worthington records. These don't seem to be included in LeicView. Vern On 9 August 2013 05:21, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Vern, > > I took a look at some Coleorton records yesterday. I think I may have > found > your William: > > Coleorton Parish Register (checked 1773 - 1776) > 1773 > William son of Joseph & Margaret Stinson bapt Dec 28 > 1774 > Thomas son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Jan 9 > 1776 > John son of Richard & Rebecca Stinson bapt Apr 7 > > Couldn't see any others in the period, but reading the register was > difficult, so can't guarantee I didn't miss some. > > Hugglescote & Coleorton Baptist church was formed in 1798. I checked the > list of members from its formation up to 1828 and could not see a > Stenson/Stinson there at all. An earlier Baptist church in the area was > that at Barton in the Beans, so it's possible that your family were members > there, or as others have mentioned, the one in Melbourne. Although it may > seem strange that they did not transfer to Hugglescote & Coleorton when it > was founded, those early days were sometimes difficult for the Baptist > movement. Eventually, there was a split, with the General Baptists going > one way and the Particular Baptists another. It would not have been unusual > for a family to prefer a church that was not their "local". > > Baptist Sunday School records don't go back far enough for you, I'm afraid. > > Unfortunately, it seems that the de Lisle and Beaumont family records > (manorial court rolls) have largely not survived. I had a look at the > Herrick family manuscripts, but they don't cover the right area. So > probably > nothing more in that direction. > > It really needs someone to spend 3 - 4 hours going through the parish > registers - baptisms, marriages and burials - to find the members of the > various Stinson families in Coleorton. They may even need to ask for the > originals to be produced, where the film is difficult to read. It's a > combination of faded writing, poor handwriting and, sometimes, slightly out > of focus filming. It also probably needs younger eyes than mine ;-). > There are researchers who can be hired by the hour at reasonable rates. I > would suggest not using the Record Office themselves, as their rates are > pretty high, which is reasonable when you're using their expertise, but > this > is a simple task, more suited to an independent researcher. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've had the microfilm on eternal backorder with the FHL. I am seeking information on a William Adams of Bottesford, Leicestershire. On 11 Oct 1830, William Adams married Penninah Riley in Bottesford. The couple had 3 children: Ann: born 1831 in Bottesford. William: born and died in 1832 in Bottesford. And my 2nd Great Grandmother Mary born 1835 in Bottesford. On 26 Apr 1838, Penninah goes on to marry John Lewty in Nottingham and gives birth to 4 more children in Bottesford. This leads me to believe that William Adams passes away sometime between 1834-1838. I have not found information on William Adams birth nor death. Penninah was born on 6 March 1809 in Bottesford to George Riley and Ann Porter. Any information or leads will be much appreciated! John

Hi Vern Don't know whether you have found this site, which has a lot of links to other pages & sites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm I found Hugglescote General Baptist Memorial Inscriptions Name Died Age Details Hannah STENSON 12 Nov 1843 66 w/o William William STENSON 27 Nov 1861 91 of Coalville Caroline BURGESS 12 Oct 1862 49 wid/o Robt, Donnington-le-Heath Younger d/o Wm & Hannah STENSON, Coalville Don't know if you had these - is this your William? You said he died aged 91 in a later email, which I had deleted. Regards Geraldine Bancroft -----Original Message----- From: Vern Prescott Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:43 PM To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Old school records I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 in Cole-Orton. Vern in lovely SW Ontario ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OOPS, it was Carolyn who wanted to know about removal orders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Relief_Act_1662 Carolyn, I would be happy to watch out for your family in the Coleorton area too. Just let me know some details. I do have the Coleorton BT's at the local LDS library, but they are now only open on afternoon per week for 2.5 hours. I was thinking of ordering in the Worthington records, but last time I ordered a film it took several months to come in and now there is very little opportunity to view it when it does. Vern On 9 August 2013 15:44, Charles Sidebottom <sidebc1@comcast.net> wrote: > I have been reading this thread with interest since these are people who > lived in the same towns and neighborhoods as the family I am researching. > (If I can't find information on my own family, I'll read about someone > else's family! Grin!) > > Seriously, could you please explain to this befuddled American what a > Removal Order is? Thanks! > > Carolyn > in Minnesota, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:06 PM > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Old school records > > Hi again Vern, > > Are you aware of the Removal Order for Joseph Stenson and family: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Concetta You will find information on Removal Orders here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Relief_Act_1662 Who are your family from Coleorton area? I might have information on them of come across something. Vern On 9 August 2013 15:40, C. Phillipps <cfbandit@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have a > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > hard yet). > >

LOL - I see you caught dear Carolyn's message below. Vern, James Toon and Jane Halfpenny were surmised to be there between 1841 and 1860 (in the 1861 census they were down in Packington). Their children James, Edward, Sarah Ann, and Agnes were born in Coleorton according to the family history I was given and what I've skimmed on them from my initial work with the family. Agnes is my 2nd great grandmother. James was a coal miner so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they moved around and all the children were not actually all born in Coleorton. Later kids are born in Packington, Whitwick, Swannington, and Skegby (Notts). Concetta On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Vern Prescott <vprescott@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Concetta > > You will find information on Removal Orders here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Relief_Act_1662 > > Who are your family from Coleorton area? I might have information on them > of come across something. > > Vern > > > > On 9 August 2013 15:40, C. Phillipps <cfbandit@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Just out of curiousity, where did you find the Coleorton records? I have > a > > subset of my family from the area and haven't been able to find much > > documentation about them (although I admit, I hadn't focused on them very > > hard yet). > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think I just managed to send a blank reply from my tablet!!! Thanks again Mike. I do have this information but haven't been able to fit this family in to the other Stensons. I do know that they are not my immediate family. My William was married with several children and had spent several years in Derbyshire, and was in the Forest of Dean by 1812. Brother Joseph had spent time in the militia and had spent time in Ireland. By 1807 hewas married to an Irish girl and they had a son, Joseph, in West Hallam in 1807. He also followed William to the Forest of Dean, though I am not sure just when. Back to the removal orders, am I correct in assuming that either Joseph or his wife Elizabeth would have originated in Breaston since they were being sent back there? Vern On 9 August 2013 15:05, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi again Vern, > > Are you aware of the Removal Order for Joseph Stenson and family: > > RM3/41 Joseph STENSON Elizabeth wife, William, Thomas, Mary. Sawley to > Breaston. 1 May 1812 > RM3/42 Suspended order of Joseph STENSON, ill removed Sawley to Breaston. > 15 > May 1812 > > >

On 9 August 2013 15:05, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > Hi again Vern, > > Are you aware of the Removal Order for Joseph Stenson and family: > > RM3/41 Joseph STENSON Elizabeth wife, William, Thomas, Mary. Sawley to > Breaston. 1 May 1812 > RM3/42 Suspended order of Joseph STENSON, ill removed Sawley to Breaston. > 15 > May 1812 > > It's on > <http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/RemovalS.htm> > > Could it be your family ? No brother Joseph at that time, but do you know > if any other details stack up ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vern > Prescott > Sent: 07 August 2013 18:43 > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] Old school records > > I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there would be any old school records > surviving from about 1780. I am grasping for anything at all that might > help me identify the parents of William STENSON (Stinson) born about 1770 > in Cole-Orton. > > Vern in lovely SW Ontario > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >