It was interesting to see Gary Lineker looking through Leicester Prison records on tonight's 'Who Do You Think You Are'. Does anyone know if these records are available for general research ? Derek Bradshaw. Researching SELINA BRADSHAW - sentenced to prison in Leicester in 1902

Hi Bob 1851 England Census about Mary Kirk Name: Mary Kirk Age: 87 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1764 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Scalford, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Scalford County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Registration District: Melton Mowbray Sub-registration District: Somerby ED, institution, or vessel: 12c Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 83 Piece: 2091 Folio: 565 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Mary Kirk 87 annuitant Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2091; Folio: 565; Page: 22; GSU roll: 87719. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/08/2013 16:22, Robert Peterson wrote: > I would greatly appreciate obtaining the 1851 UK Census information for Mary > KIRK. She was born in about 1763 (probably in Leicestershire), was a widow > in 1851 and most likely lived in Scalford, Leics. > > > > Thank you very much for help you may be able to give with this. > > > > Bob in Alabama, USA

I would greatly appreciate obtaining the 1851 UK Census information for Mary KIRK. She was born in about 1763 (probably in Leicestershire), was a widow in 1851 and most likely lived in Scalford, Leics. Thank you very much for help you may be able to give with this. Bob in Alabama, USA

Hi again The four names are registered at the same address, so were living together in the same house All four would be adults as its an electoral roll Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/08/2013 17:55, M Olive wrote: > Many thanks for Ruth and especially Nivard who has opened and cleared > several items. The Robinson-Blloshmi marrage in 9/1945. Clare usually does > use her maiden name of Hollingworth as she was a reporter. > Are the two Laws children of others or just neighbours? > Many tks >> Hi Martin >> >> It would appear they divorced earlier than 1951 by the looks of it >> >> Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Ancestry) >> >> Marriage >> >> ROBINSON - BLLOSHMI - Sept 21st 1945 >> In Tirana Major Vivian Dering Vandeleur ROBINSON Intelligence Corps, >> Acting Press Attache in Albania to Madame Hatixehe Sarah BLLOSHMI widow >> of Lieut Col Selaheddin BLLOSHMI address during Oct ?? Blatchington Road >> Tunbridge Wells Kent then Military Mission Albania >> care of 54 Area C.M.F. >> 29th Sep 1945 >> >> Curiously they appear in the same household in 1937 & 1939 electoral >> rolls but Clare under her maiden name of HOLLINGWORTH >> >> City of Westminster >> >> Marsham Street SW1 >> >> number 65 >> >> HOLLINGWORTH Clare >> LAW George >> LAW Irene >> ROBINSON Vivian Dering Vandeleur >> >> He is with his second wife in the electoral rolls of 1962

Many thanks for Ruth and especially Nivard who has opened and cleared several items. The Robinson-Blloshmi marrage in 9/1945. Clare usually does use her maiden name of Hollingworth as she was a reporter. Are the two Laws children of others or just neighbours? Many tks Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] marriage dissolved > > Hi Martin > > It would appear they divorced earlier than 1951 by the looks of it > > Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Ancestry) > > Marriage > > ROBINSON - BLLOSHMI - Sept 21st 1945 > In Tirana Major Vivian Dering Vandeleur ROBINSON Intelligence Corps, > Acting Press Attache in Albania to Madame Hatixehe Sarah BLLOSHMI widow > of Lieut Col Selaheddin BLLOSHMI address during Oct ?? Blatchington Road > Tunbridge Wells Kent then Military Mission Albania > care of 54 Area C.M.F. > 29th Sep 1945 > > Curiously they appear in the same household in 1937 & 1939 electoral > rolls but Clare under her maiden name of HOLLINGWORTH > > City of Westminster > > Marsham Street SW1 > > number 65 > > HOLLINGWORTH Clare > LAW George > LAW Irene > ROBINSON Vivian Dering Vandeleur > > He is with his second wife in the electoral rolls of 1962 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 19/08/2013 15:38, M Olive wrote: >> I am a second cousin of Clare Hollingworth, who married a Vivian Dering >> Vandalour Robinson in 1935 in Chelsea 1a p. 1006, and was dissolved in >> 1951. Is there any chance that we could find out when and where it was >> dissolved? >> Martin Olive > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Martin It would appear they divorced earlier than 1951 by the looks of it Andrews Newspaper Index Cards (Ancestry) Marriage ROBINSON - BLLOSHMI - Sept 21st 1945 In Tirana Major Vivian Dering Vandeleur ROBINSON Intelligence Corps, Acting Press Attache in Albania to Madame Hatixehe Sarah BLLOSHMI widow of Lieut Col Selaheddin BLLOSHMI address during Oct ?? Blatchington Road Tunbridge Wells Kent then Military Mission Albania care of 54 Area C.M.F. 29th Sep 1945 Curiously they appear in the same household in 1937 & 1939 electoral rolls but Clare under her maiden name of HOLLINGWORTH City of Westminster Marsham Street SW1 number 65 HOLLINGWORTH Clare LAW George LAW Irene ROBINSON Vivian Dering Vandeleur He is with his second wife in the electoral rolls of 1962 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/08/2013 15:38, M Olive wrote: > I am a second cousin of Clare Hollingworth, who married a Vivian Dering Vandalour Robinson in 1935 in Chelsea 1a p. 1006, and was dissolved in 1951. Is there any chance that we could find out when and where it was dissolved? > Martin Olive

Divorce in those days was an unusual event, and very expensive as it involved a court case where one party had to "take the blame". You may find a report in a local paper. Records of divorces granted are at The National Archives, but are closed for a substantial period (see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/divorce.htm) Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M Olive > Sent: 19 August 2013 15:39 > To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] marriage dissolved > > I am a second cousin of Clare Hollingworth, who married a > Vivian Dering Vandalour Robinson in 1935 in Chelsea 1a p. > 1006, and was dissolved in 1951. Is there any chance that we > could find out when and where it was dissolved? > Martin Olive >

I am a second cousin of Clare Hollingworth, who married a Vivian Dering Vandalour Robinson in 1935 in Chelsea 1a p. 1006, and was dissolved in 1951. Is there any chance that we could find out when and where it was dissolved? Martin Olive

From: Connie <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> > On 19/08/2013 13:11, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > > Reaney & Wilson don't specifically mention either of those names but Hanks > & > > Hodges (Oxford Dictionary of Surnames) say REVIS is a variant of Reeves, and > I > > must admit that was my own initial feeling. > > > > H & H define it as either being patronymic from REEVE (a bailiff or steward) > or > > topographic from someone who lived on the edge of a wood from the Middle > > English "atter eaves". > > > > No mention of Border Reivers, I'm afraid. > > Thank you for the derivation and nicely correcting my misspelling. I'm > surprised it's given as a patronymic, not occupational, name. The topographic > is interesting.> Well, in a sense, Connie, it is both an occupational AND a patronymic name. REEVE was quite obviously an occupational name, referring to an official who was a bailiff or steward (and probably quite important in medieval times), while REEVES simply required the addition of an "s" to indicate that someone of that name might have been a son, daughter, employee, etc, of a Reeve. There is a "Reeve's Tale" in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, is there not? The topographic version arising from a dweller on the edge of a wood appears to be from a quite different origin. That's the problem with trying to explain surnames! Who can tell where they came from? That is why I am a devotee of George Redmonds, who argues that the origin of each and EVERY surname is different and one Smith has a different origin from another Smith. Likewise with Reeves and its variants. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 19/08/2013 13:11, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > Reaney & Wilson don't specifically mention either of those names but Hanks & > Hodges (Oxford Dictionary of Surnames) say REVIS is a variant of Reeves, and I > must admit that was my own initial feeling. > > H & H define it as either being patronymic from REEVE (a bailiff or steward) or > topographic from someone who lived on the edge of a wood from the Middle > English "atter eaves". > > No mention of Border Reivers, I'm afraid. Thank you for the derivation and nicely correcting my misspelling. I'm surprised it's given as a patronymic, not occupational, name. The topographic is interesting. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Roy and all, The surname books have got it totally wrong with the BINNS surname too. All the ones I have seen give its derivation as occupational, "one who makes bins or mangers". Some also say a dweller in the hollows i.e binnes. These, rather like Roy's SHACKLETON instance, totally ignore that in the 19th century censuse the vast majority of Binnses occur in the West Riding of Yorkshire, and moreover again like your Shackleton predominantly Haworth, Keighley and Bradford. In fact that order of those towns shows the outwards spread of Binns families, with its home thought to be the hamlet of Higher Binns near Oxenhope. I too have the odd SHACKLETON in my distant tree. I appreciate this is off topic on a Leicestershire forum, but can I share with you all the fact that the PICKLES surname, again of West Yorkshire, was originally PIGHILLS and has changed over time. Without wishing to appear political, I do feel that the rotund MP Eric Pickles would be even more the butt of people poking fun if he still had the surname PIGHILLS. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 19 August 2013 11:40 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Who do you think you are From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > Hi Brian > > I don't usually have a great deal of faith in books on surname > derivation but on this occasion I agree with Henry Harrisons Surnames of > the United Kingdom 1912 > > Which gives > > LINEKER = Linacre, q.v. > > And > > LINACRE / LINAKER } (Eng. and Scand.) Dweller at the Flax-Field [O.E. > lin, flax + acer, field = O.N. lin-akr]> As listers will know, Nivard and I often disagree (!) but on this occasion we seem to be in agreement. Like him, I hold a healthy scepticism for surname dictionaries since they don't always get it right - not even Reaney & Wilson who many regard as the bible of surname definitions. An example of where they got it badly wrong is in their explanation of the common West Riding surname SHACKLETON or SHACKELTON, which included the ancestors of myself and Sir Ernest. R & W claim it derives from a place in North Yorkshire called Scackleton, which is patent nonsense since any analysis of the surname from all records shows it to be overwhelmingly a West Riding surname with hardly any presence in the North Riding at all. George Redmonds, my favourite scholar of surnames, says it comes from a tiny hamlet, possibly even a single farmstead, called Shackletonstall in the Calder Valley above Hebden Bridge - and I am sure he is right because the name Shackleton is prolific around Keighley, Haworth and Bradford. Hanks and Hodges agree that it derives from a place name in the parish of Halifax but are less specific than Redmonds. Redmonds holds the theory, to which I subscribe, that you can only ever truly define a surname if you can trace it back to the very first holder in the records - not possible, of course, for many if not most names. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Connie <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> > On 19/08/2013 11:39, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > Redmonds holds the theory, to which I subscribe, that you can only ever > truly > > define a surname if you can trace it back to the very first holder in the > > records - not possible, of course, for many if not most names. > > Occupational and patronomic names spring to mind there but what about a name > like REAVIS/REVIS? It sounds like it might be from the Border Reivers.> Reaney & Wilson don't specifically mention either of those names but Hanks & Hodges (Oxford Dictionary of Surnames) say REVIS is a variant of Reeves, and I must admit that was my own initial feeling. H & H define it as either being patronymic from REEVE (a bailiff or steward) or topographic from someone who lived on the edge of a wood from the Middle English "atter eaves". No mention of Border Reivers, I'm afraid. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

For 9 months in 1783 The burial register has amazing genealogical information - some of the best examples Anne SMITH age 72 buried 1783 15-Jan, died Jan 12, dau of George LANGLEY flax-dresser & Avice (formerly Avice CAMPION) Alice SLATER age 61 buried 1783 17-Jan, died Jan 14, dau of Thomas ROGERS sadler by Mary his wife (formerly Mary ROGERSON) William SCOT age 10 buried 1783 18-Jun, died Jun 15, son of William SCOT of Melton by Elizabeth his wife (formerly Elizabeth DAWSON) Jane BERRY age 70 buried 1783 23-Aug, died Aug 21, dau of John PALMER, cordwainer by Jane his wife (formerly Jane RICE of Walgrave, Northamptonshire) Some of them like this one do not have an age given Elizabeth KATTERNS buried 1783 28-Sep, died Sep 26, dau of Jonathan KATTERNS by Martha his wife (formerly Martha PERKINS of Laughton These will be appearing on Free Reg at some point. 1,600 baptisms after 1813 are already there. Marilyn http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk

On 19/08/2013 11:39, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > Redmonds holds the theory, to which I subscribe, that you can only ever truly > define a surname if you can trace it back to the very first holder in the > records - not possible, of course, for many if not most names. Occupational and patronomic names spring to mind there but what about a name like REAVIS/REVIS? It sounds like it might be from the Border Reivers. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > Hi Brian > > I don't usually have a great deal of faith in books on surname > derivation but on this occasion I agree with Henry Harrisons Surnames of > the United Kingdom 1912 > > Which gives > > LINEKER = Linacre, q.v. > > And > > LINACRE / LINAKER } (Eng. and Scand.) Dweller at the Flax-Field [O.E. > lin, flax + acer, field = O.N. lin-akr]> As listers will know, Nivard and I often disagree (!) but on this occasion we seem to be in agreement. Like him, I hold a healthy scepticism for surname dictionaries since they don't always get it right - not even Reaney & Wilson who many regard as the bible of surname definitions. An example of where they got it badly wrong is in their explanation of the common West Riding surname SHACKLETON or SHACKELTON, which included the ancestors of myself and Sir Ernest. R & W claim it derives from a place in North Yorkshire called Scackleton, which is patent nonsense since any analysis of the surname from all records shows it to be overwhelmingly a West Riding surname with hardly any presence in the North Riding at all. George Redmonds, my favourite scholar of surnames, says it comes from a tiny hamlet, possibly even a single farmstead, called Shackletonstall in the Calder Valley above Hebden Bridge - and I am sure he is right because the name Shackleton is prolific around Keighley, Haworth and Bradford. Hanks and Hodges agree that it derives from a place name in the parish of Halifax but are less specific than Redmonds. Redmonds holds the theory, to which I subscribe, that you can only ever truly define a surname if you can trace it back to the very first holder in the records - not possible, of course, for many if not most names. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > Just a reminder for those in the UK that this Wednesday's subject of "Who do > you think you are?" is Leicester's own Gary Lineker. I am posting this also > to the Notts list as I have come across the surname Lineker quite frequently > in Notts also. > > Would I be correct in assuming that the surnames Lineker and Linacre have > the same root - the latter? It would seem logical - a place name derivation, > such as John from Lin Acre??? > > > > Brian Binns > > Living in Loughborough but born and bred in Nottingham> Reaney & Wilson (A Dictionary of English Surnames) agree with your theory - not that I always entirely trust surname dictionaries but in this case their definition seems reasonable. R & W show Lineker as a variant of LINACRE deriving either from a place in Lancashire, Linacre Court alias Lenniker in Kent, or from a "dweller by a flax-field". There was apparently a Godwin de Linacra in the Domesday Book (1086) in Cambridgeshire. Hanks & Hodges in the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames focus principally on the dweller by a flax-field explanation but also mention places called Linacre in Lancashire and Cambridgeshire. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Brian I don't usually have a great deal of faith in books on surname derivation but on this occasion I agree with Henry Harrisons Surnames of the United Kingdom 1912 Which gives LINEKER = Linacre, q.v. And LINACRE / LINAKER } (Eng. and Scand.) Dweller at the Flax-Field [O.E. lin, flax + acer, field = O.N. lin-akr] OED has flax, n. 1. The plant Linum usitatissimum bearing blue flowers which are succeeded by pods containing the seeds commonly known as linseed. It is cultivated for its textile fibre and for its seeds. And linen, adj. and n. Made of flax. In modern English apprehended chiefly as an attributive use of the n., with the sense: Made of linen. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) (but made in Leicestershire :-) On 19/08/2013 10:52, Brian Binns wrote: > Just a reminder for those in the UK that this Wednesday's subject of "Who do > you think you are?" is Leicester's own Gary Lineker. I am posting this also > to the Notts list as I have come across the surname Lineker quite frequently > in Notts also. > > > > Would I be correct in assuming that the surnames Lineker and Linacre have > the same root - the latter? It would seem logical - a place name derivation, > such as John from Lin Acre??? > > > > Brian Binns > > Living in Loughborough but born and bred in Nottingham

From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > Just a reminder for those in the UK that this Wednesday's subject of "Who do > you think you are?" is Leicester's own Gary Lineker. I am posting this also > to the Notts list as I have come across the surname Lineker quite frequently > in Notts also. > > Would I be correct in assuming that the surnames Lineker and Linacre have > the same root - the latter? It would seem logical - a place name derivation, > such as John from Lin Acre??? > > > > Brian Binns > > Living in Loughborough but born and bred in Nottingham> Reaney & Wilson (A Dictionary of English Surnames) agree with your theory - not that I always entirely trust surname dictionaries but in this case their definition seems reasonable. R & W show Lineker as a variant of LINACRE deriving either from a place in Lancashire, Linacre Court alias Lenniker in Kent, or from a "dweller by a flax-field". There was apparently a Godin de Linacra in the Domesday Book (1086) in Cambridgeshire. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Just a reminder for those in the UK that this Wednesday's subject of "Who do you think you are?" is Leicester's own Gary Lineker. I am posting this also to the Notts list as I have come across the surname Lineker quite frequently in Notts also. Would I be correct in assuming that the surnames Lineker and Linacre have the same root - the latter? It would seem logical - a place name derivation, such as John from Lin Acre??? Brian Binns Living in Loughborough but born and bred in Nottingham

re: Toons Hello Concetta In case you don't already know..... The GOONS specialist for Tunes/Toon(e)s/Town(e)s etc is Anthony Munday who has a wealth of information and is always interested in acquiring more about these families. His direct email is Ajmunday@btinternet.com. I don't know how much he has on Leicestershire Toons but worth asking. His line (and my wife's) were Hampshire folk and my late father's best friend in Nottingham was an Ernie Toon so Nottingham is also a Toon hangout. Good luck. Regards - Peter Barsby ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Phillipps" <cfbandit@gmail.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: [LEI] Toon family of Coleorton, Thringstone, Packington, Swannington >I thought I would start a new topic since things are getting kind of buried > in the Old school records thread. > > Thank you to Mike and Geraldine for your leads! You've got me excited to > work on this family. > > So I went over to FMP and did a search for the family in 1851. It looks > like the family have left the area after Edward Toon is born in April > 1850, > as I found the family in 1851 living in Thringstone. > > So I have an interesting history here: > > John Toon is born in Coleorton in 1799-ish (have to order his parish > records to be looked up). > By 1841, he's married to Elizabeth Amelia Wheatley, still in Coleorton. > John stays in Coleorton until 1871, when he moves to Swannington, > I may have his death in 1879 in Leicester, however, the probate index > indicates he was a dairyman, and that doesn't seem to fit with the other > pieces of information I have about him. So that's probably wrong. > > John's son James (my 3rd great grandfather) seems to be a basket case. > He's > born in Thringstone in 1829. > He's with the family in 1841 in Coleorton. > In 1850, he marries Jane Halfpenny in Ashby-de-la-Zouch. > James's son Edward lists himself as being born in Coleorton on the census > in April 1850. > In 1851, he's listed in Thringstone on the census. > 1861, the family is in Packington. > 1871, the family is in Swannington > 1881, the family is in Skegby where daughter Agnes is the post mistress. > In Sept Quarter 1901, I have James Toon's death (not quite proven yet, of > course). > > He is a coal miner, so I guess I should expect some bouncing around. But > it > does make things complicated that they have so many children and that the > kids birth places change somewhat frequently on the censuses (I'm guessing > they lost their memories after so many children running through the house > LOL). > > So far for the children of James and Jane I have: > Edward 1 - b. April 1850 in Coleorton > James - b. 1853 in Thringstone > Sarah Ann - b. Dec Q 1853 in Thringstone > Edward 2 - b. Jan Q 1857 in Thringstone > Agnes - b. April 1858 in Thringstone > George - b. 1860 in Thringstone > William - b. 1861 in Coalville > Amos - b. 1862 Packington > Alice - b. 1864 in Swannington > Elizabeth - b. 1865 in Swannington > Clara - b. 1870 in Packington > John James - b. 1874 in Skegby, Notts. > > Between Coleorton and Thringstone I'm going to be busy for quite awhile > with this family, I think! > > Concetta > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >