Nivard's right, people need to post more queries to the list! So I'm going to contribute my current quandry to see what you guys think. John Richard Stanley (or Richard John Stanley, depending on the record), was b. 1834 in either Whitwick or Coleorton. I found a christening record that fits this information which states Richard John Stanley, ch. 09 November 1834, son of Richard and Mary Stanley in Whitwick. I found him in the 1841 census quite easily, so then I was able to gather his parents' info as well: Richard Stanley, b. ~1799 Leicestershire, England Mary Stanley, b. ~1821 Leicestershire, England And I found him my John easily on the 1861 census, after he's married his lovely wife Emily Neal. But I can't seem to locate my John OR his father on the 1851 census on either FamilySearch or FindMyPast. This seems to be an odd hole. Anyone want to have a gander at where Richard and Mary are in 1851? I believe I have found Richard's death in 1857 in Ashby de la Zouch (though it says age 65, b. 1792) so , so in theory he should be alive in 1851. Thanks for any help anyone wants to offer, Concetta from cold and snowy Illinois, USA
Hi Jan, I received your e-mail to my ISP address (mikeclooney@virginmediacom) but your message has not appeared in the Leics list. Maybe a few tweaks needed. Hope the moving house was not too stressed. Also I still owe you some research said I would do; must get round to it. Regards Mike Clooney > -----Original Message----- > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire- > plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Marchant > Sent: 21 January 2014 05:52 > To: Leicestershire List > Subject: [LEI] Anybody there? > > Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & email > address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. Happy > New Year everyone and please someone email! > > > > MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn > > > > NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area > > > > WAIN - Loughborough area - I think > > > > Jan Marchant, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message
Thanks for that suggestion Nivard, here's my brick wall: About 185 years ago, my great-great-great grandfather Francis Stanhope ADAMS (1800-1881) left his home village of Thorpe Arnold in Leicestershire and moved to London. He had been a farmer, his father Stephen ADAMS (est 1778-1834) was also a farmer in or near Thorpe Arnold). Stephen ADAMS married Elizabeth STANHOPE and the family owned two farmlands - one on the road to Hose and the other on the road to Grantham. At some point, a farmland was tenanted by a Mr DOUBLEDAY who was related by marriage. Stephen ADAMS' father is inferred to be John ADAMS based on his marriage to Elizabeth CROFT in 1769 in Thorpe Arnold (source, Parish register) although we can find no baptism record for him. The recurrence of the CROFT name in the known family line supports this assumption. We do not know where John ADAMS came from or died but the parish register of his marriage says "Of Wartnaby". After his arrival in London, Francis Stanhope ADAMS became a grocer, then a wholesaler and then a man of business. Two of his sons headed to the colony of Port Natal in South Africa and established a book and Stationary Store named ADAMS and COMPANY. My father Mr ADAMS manages this store today<http://www.adamsbooks.co.za/index.html>and it is coming up on its 150th anniversary. It is well known in South Africa. For the event, we are hoping to learn more of the ADAMS family of Thorpe Arnold and the families to whom they married: CROFT and STANHOPE. My primary goals are: 1) Find the parents of John ADAMS "Of Wartnaby" who married Elizabeth Croft in Thorpe Arnold in 1769. 2) Find a baptism record for Stephen ADAMS of Thorpe Arnold. 3) Fill in any of the blanks about the Stanhope / Adams / Croft line. Thanks for any thoughts shared. - Shannon If you have Ancestry.com access here is the link: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/36865265/person/20456614080 *Family Group Sheet for Stephen Adams* *Husband:* Stephen Adams b: 1778 in United Kingdom; Inferred from age at burial. d: Apr 1834 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England; Listed in the records of the parish in Thorpe Arnold. Age 56 Buried May 1st. Burial: 01 May 1834 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England; NOT CONFIRMED. Extract from Burial Register at Thorpe Arnold. Stephen Adams. Stated age 56."Adams Stephen Thorpe Arnold 1st May 1834 56" m: 06 Jun 1799 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England; Stephen Adams&Eliz. Stanhope, lic. 6 June 1799 Volume III., a narrow book of parchment leaves, several of which are blank, bound in boards and in good order. It records Burials 1792-1812, Baptisms 1793-1812 and Marriages 1794-1811 *Father:* John Adams (Abt 1745-) *Mother*: Elizabeth Crofts (Abt 1746 -) *Wife*: Elizabeth Stanhope b: 1780; Estimated age based on marriage in 1799. d: Jun 1806 in Thorpe Arnold Burial: 19 Jun 1806 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England; Extract from Burial Register at Thorpe Arnold."Adams Elizabeth 19th June 1806 Wife of Stephen Adams" *Father*: Stanhope *Mother*: Mary *Children:* 1 F *Name*: Mary Adams b: 1802 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England 2 M *Name*: Francis Stanhope Adams b: 1800 in Thorpe Arnold, Leicestershire, England; 1851 Census says he was born in Thorpe, Leicestershire. d: 21 May 1881 in Middlesex, England m: 17 Oct 1837 in Poultry Chapel, London Spouse: Emma Jemima Chapman
My line in Leicestershire is Cheatle. I discovered Sarah Cheatle (my 3x great grandmother) back in 2008 but other than knowing her likely father is William Cheatle I am not really any further ahead. She was baptized at Ashby de la Zouch 27 Jan 1795 (primarily from the census I have determined this information) the daughter of William and Sarah Cheatle (they were not married at Ashby de la Zouch). She died 26 Jul 1872 at Aston, Warwickshire. She was married to William Welch 24 Aug 1818 at Longdon by Lichfield and one of the witnesses was William Cheatle. They had six children: William 1818, Mary 1819, Sarah 1820, Anne 1820 (twin to Sarah and my ancestress), John 1824 and Henry 1827. I know quite a bit about these children, their marriages and their children. But that is all in Warwickshire or Staffordshire so returning to Leicestershire, is Sarah the daughter of William Cheatle and Sarah Woodcock who were married 23 Feb 1773 at Castle Donington? This couple baptized a number of children at Castle Donington and possibly buried a daughter Sarah in 1793 at Ashby de la Zouch. I have some of the records for Ashby de la Zouch transcribed in this time period for the Cheatle families there. Can anyone else claim this couple? Thank you Nivard for the idea to submit my query. I am on the list and practically never post as few people are researching Cheatle although there is another Guild member doing so. I dearly wish someone would do a one name study on Cheatle. I do not have time but it is always tempting so whenever I see something on Cheatle I do collect it. -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp BA PLCGS BLAKE-one-name-study, PINCOMBE-one-name-study Guild of One Name Studies #4600 Website: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/elizabethmain.htm Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/
Hi, I am here - although new. I am researching: ADAMS family from Thorpe Arnold and Wartnaby STANHOPE family from Thorpe Arnold or neighboring villages CROFT family from Thorpe Arnold, Little Dalby Thanks, Shannon On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:16 AM, <mikeclooney@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Hi Jan, I received your e-mail to my ISP address > (mikeclooney@virginmediacom) but your message has not appeared in the > Leics > list. Maybe a few tweaks needed. Hope the moving house was not too > stressed. > Also I still owe you some research said I would do; must get round to it. > > Regards > Mike Clooney > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire- > > plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Marchant > > Sent: 21 January 2014 05:52 > > To: Leicestershire List > > Subject: [LEI] Anybody there? > > > > Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & > email > > address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. > Happy > > New Year everyone and please someone email! > > > > > > > > MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn > > > > > > > > NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area > > > > > > > > WAIN - Loughborough area - I think > > > > > > > > Jan Marchant, Australia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Richard Smith b. abt 1583, poss. s/o Thomas Smith of Stratford upon Avon, Warwickshire, m. 13 Feb. 1615 at Husbands Bosworth, Rebecca, dau. of Roger and Margaret Buswell. They emigrated to Wethersfield, CT, reported there 1648. He died aft. 1669, she aft 12 Oct 1668. Floyd Smith
Yes I'm here too read the emails each day .A few names Sherwin Barwell 1700to1800 then Leicester Bennett Burbage then Seaton Rutland and finally Leicester ,Hinchliffe Ossett Yorks then down to Leicester Olwyn in kiwi land On 22/01/2014, at 12:09 AM, "elhow@tiscali.co.uk" <elhow@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > I think most of us are in hibernation !Liz H > > > > > ----Original Message---- > From: oziepoms@live.com.au > Date: 21/01/2014 5:51 > To: "Leicestershire List"<leicestershire-plus-l@rootsweb.com> > Subj: [LEI] Anybody there? > > Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & email address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. Happy New Year everyone and please someone email! > > > > MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn > > > > NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area > > > > WAIN - Loughborough area - I think > > > > Jan Marchant, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & email address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. Happy New Year everyone and please someone email! MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area WAIN - Loughborough area - I think Jan Marchant, Australia
Hannah WOOD may be an ancestor of mine. Her son John WOOD had a daughter Ann WOOD, who may be the Ann WOOD who married my 3rd great-grandfather, John STONELY. The only "proof" I have so far is that I haven't found any other contenders with the same names in the limited marriage records I've looked at. I'm curious about Hannah because her "interesting" behavior makes me wonder if there are further records about her. She seems to have been the unmarried mother of five children: Thomas WOOD (chr 1 Aug 1779), John WOOD (chr 15 Jul 1781), Mary WOOD (chr 10 Oct 1784), Dorothy Manesfield WOOD (chr 5 Oct 1788), and Richard WOOD (chr 5 Jun 1792). All of these children were christened in Newbold Verdon. I would think it was unusual to think that her behavior/situation would not have been discussed in the parish. How did she support five illegitimate children without a husband? Was she a well-paid prostitute, a 'kept woman?' If neither, then the parish would have had to support her, wouldn't they? She was probably born in Newbold Verdon, or she would have been given a removal order, I should think. I did find something that might be related to that. In "Settlement certificates, examinations and removal orders (1596 to 1863) appertaining to Nottinghamshire" Brit Book: 942.52, D25n, v.43, there is a Hannah Wood, alias COOPER, indexed as having been given a Removal Order from Mansfield to Calverton in 1830. (Note that this is not a removal order to Newbold Verdon, so the two Hannah WOODs may not be the same woman.) Child #4, Dorothy, has a middle name of Manesfield and this removal order indicates that the Hannah concerned was removed from Mansfield. A coincidence? Perhaps. This "removed" Hannah was probably not born in Mansfield or she couldn't have been removed, could she? So was she native to Calverton? And why did she call herself COOPER? My REAL question is this: I have heard of such a thing as "parish chest papers." Does anyone know whether there are any surviving documents other than the parish registers for Newbold Verdon? If so, where would they be? Eileen Stonely Phelps in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA.
I think most of us are in hibernation !Liz H ----Original Message---- From: oziepoms@live.com.au Date: 21/01/2014 5:51 To: "Leicestershire List"<leicestershire-plus-l@rootsweb.com> Subj: [LEI] Anybody there? Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & email address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. Happy New Year everyone and please someone email! MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area WAIN - Loughborough area - I think Jan Marchant, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi All, I have a mystery man, about whom I know virtually nothing. Thomas BURDETT married Rebecca QUAIL on 4th July 1818 at St. Mary's church, Hinckley. I know about Rebecca's family, but have not been able to find Thomas in any other records. I would expect him to be a young man, so probably born in the 1790's. Can anyone help ? Best wishes, Mike Gould
Good morning All, While it's quiet, I thought I'd take the opportunity to repost my research interest in the hope of contacting other descendants of Thomas Payne. Thomas was born in Portsmouth in 1808 (approx - not yet proven) and soon after moved to Leicester where he married Mary Ann Cox at St Margaret's Church on 8th March 1829. Thanks in advance, Jason Payne London Sent from my iPhone
Morning Jan! Got your email so I'm guessing its all just a bit quiet :) Emma On 21 Jan 2014 05:52, "Jan Marchant" <oziepoms@live.com.au> wrote: > Just rejoined the list after moving house and having to change ISP & email > address. Other lists I've joined have emails but nothing from Leics. Happy > New Year everyone and please someone email! > > > > MARCHANT - Loughborough & Quorn > > > > NEWTON - Loughborough & Shepshed, maybe other villages in that area > > > > WAIN - Loughborough area - I think > > > > Jan Marchant, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi, I am researching the family of my 4X Great Grandfather, Stephen ADAMS - here are his details: 1778: Born about 1778 in Leicestershire (parents may have been John ADAMS and Elizabeth CROFTS of Wartnaby as these names recur and John ADAMS died in Thorpe Arnold) 1799: married 6 June 1799 to Elizabeth STANHOPE in Thorpe Arnold 1808: married 24 Nov 1808 to Mary STEERE in Leicester 1818: lived in Thorpe Arnold but owned a farm in Hose, occupied by Mr DOUBLEDAY (a possible relation via marriage) 1832: Lived on the road from Thorpe Arnold to Grantham. 1834: 1 May 1834 buried at Thorpe Arnold Known Children: 1. Francis Stanhope ADAMS 1800 – 1881 2. Mary ADAMS 1802 – 3. Ann Crofts ADAMS 1813 – 1829 I know little about Wartnaby and have based most research on the parish registers at Thorpe Arnold, available via online transcripts and LDS microfilmj. They are a bit of a mess with much duplication and notes and scribbles. However, this seems pretty solid. I would love to know more about the ADAMS's of Thorpe Arnold and the STANHOPE family - in particular to find the birth / parents of Elizabeth STANHOPE 1780-1806. Thanks for considering, Shannon Seattle, WA, USA
Hi Listers! Happy New Year! Does anyone know a knowledgeable person in the Kirkby in Ashfield, Nottingham area that I could have an email conversation with concerning the National Burial Index and it's apparent inconsistencies of dates and jurisdictions regarding one of my ancestors? BACKGROUND FOR THIS REQUEST: At present, the NBI seems to indicate that Eliza Tindall, who was born 24 Feb 1840 and died 11 Mar 1840, was buried 13 Mar 1840 in Kirkby in Ashfield in a cemetery dedicated to St. Thomas. The denomination of St. Thomas is Anglican. The coverage for this NBI entry spans the years 1813 to 1963. Eliza Tindall was christened 01 Mar 1840 in the Parish Church of Kirkby in Ashfield . I have been under the impression from my research that the only Anglican church there at the time was St. Wilfrid's, a very ancient church. In 1866, the tower portion of the church was rebuilt due to decay, and in 1907, the church was destroyed by fire except for the rebuilt Tower and a couple of lower walls. Parish records were rescued and survived the fire. The church was rebuilt using many of the original features, and it was ready for worship by November 1908. St. Wilfrid's remains an active church today according to information on the Internet. However, St. Wilfrid's Churchyard was closed to burials in November 1883. Due to the expansion of mining in the area, and a large influx of people, another Anglican Parish was established on 23 May 1903. This church was dedicated to St. Thomas. A second source indicated that the church of St. Thomas was built in 1910. No matter when St. Thomas was built, it seems to me that all of this building, fires, rebuilding, closure of cemeteries, and establishing the Parish of St. Thomas all post date the death and burial of Eliza Tindall in March 1840. Shouldn't Eliza Tindall be buried somewhere in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? This is my dilemma--I need to understand what has happened between what I know and what the NBI reports. Who has jurisdiction over the graves in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? And, I need to do all of this from the USA! Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed light on this situation, Carolyn in Minnesota, USA
Hi All Happy New Year & I hope you all had a good Christmas. Those with coalmining ancestors may be interested in the site below: http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/literature/royalcommissionreports/index.html I have found a report from my husband’s 3g grandfather, a ground bailiff in Moira, who gave a report to the Royal Commission on the employment of children in the mines etc. There are lots of names of those questioned in the index of each report (by area). You may be lucky to spot one of yours. Even if not, they give an insight into the lives led by the miners of the day (1842). There is also a searchable database of the victims of mining disasters, a list of mining terms etc. Geraldine Researching in Leics: ADAMS, BANCROFT, BEET, COOK, GOWTAGE/GOWTRIDGE, MEASURES, MORTIMER, NEAL, ROSE, SHARP(E), STATHAM, YEOMANS
Thanks Carolyn Yes all is of help I did find much as you did regarding the location Its an odd one as no one seems to know anything of it in the family but many are no longer around to ask unfortunately Its a curious one which hopefully in time I may solve Thank you for your contribution, it is appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/12/2013 21:03, Carolyn Perkes wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Can't guess what Arthur and Amy Hurst were doing in France at the end of or just following WWI, but I do see that the address given in French is just a little bit garbled. > > I think that perhaps this should be 65, rue de l'Église, à (in or at) Fromelennes, près (near) Givet, Ardennes, France. > These two towns, or communes, are apparently less then 10 minutes away from each other on either side of the Meuse river, so they are right beside Belgium. > > "Fromelennes près Givet" also brings up a few references as the location of a copper foundry or factory founded 1806 (the first to be established in Ardennes), owned by a Monsieur Gédéon de Contamine and something about production of laminated copper and zinc sheets. > > Dehoux is a French name, and can originate in Belgium as well. > > I couldn't find a 65 rue de l'Église, Fromelennes on google maps but I did find a 65 Place de l'Église, Fromelennes. > > Hope this helps a little. > > Carolyn
Hi Nivard, Can't guess what Arthur and Amy Hurst were doing in France at the end of or just following WWI, but I do see that the address given in French is just a little bit garbled. I think that perhaps this should be 65, rue de l'Église, à (in or at) Fromelennes, près (near) Givet, Ardennes, France. These two towns, or communes, are apparently less then 10 minutes away from each other on either side of the Meuse river, so they are right beside Belgium. "Fromelennes près Givet" also brings up a few references as the location of a copper foundry or factory founded 1806 (the first to be established in Ardennes), owned by a Monsieur Gédéon de Contamine and something about production of laminated copper and zinc sheets. Dehoux is a French name, and can originate in Belgium as well. I couldn't find a 65 rue de l'Église, Fromelennes on google maps but I did find a 65 Place de l'Église, Fromelennes. Hope this helps a little. Carolyn On 2013-12-24, at 12:45 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > I am seeking information on my wifes great grandparents > > Arthur HURST b1866 Wigston married Amy TURNER b1872 Birdingbury > Warwickshire > > According to the 1911 they had five children, four living in 1911 > Albert Edward 1894 - 1965 > Edith Agnes 1898 - 1933 > Archie 1900 - 1918 > Leonard 1910 - 1976 > > Albert is my wifes grandfather and we have more on him > > Edith married Fernand DE HOUX (or DEHOUX) in 1917 > They had one son who died young in 1924, Edith died in 1933 no idea what > became of Fernand > > Leonard married Doris BROOKS in 1933 > > Archie was a casualty of WW1 and his CWGC creates a curious question > > Private Archie HURST age 18 > Devonshire Regiment Unit: 1st/5th Bn. > Date of Death: 30/09/1918 > Service No: 72087 > Additional information: Son of Arthur and Amy Hurst of 65, Rue de > L'eglise, A'Fromelennes, pras Givet, Ardennes, France. Native of Leicester. > Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead > Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 14. > Cemetery: MASNIERES BRITISH CEMETERY, MARCOING > > Arthur & Amy are in England in 1911, the question being what were they > doing in France > > Given the CWGC form would be around 1920/1922 > > Arthur was a compositor, he could be working in France I suppose but we > have nothing to back that theory up > > I have failed to find deaths or burials for either Arthur or Amy so I > suppose they could have died in France but again we have nothing on that > > One theory is that Fernand DEHOUX was French but haven't found him apart > from the marriage > > I do not as yet have the marriage cert for DEHOUX to HURST > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >
Hi Lester Listers, May I wish everyone a Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year!! I've a query for Old Newtonians!! Otherwise formerly known as Alderman Newton Boys Grammar School ex pupils. In my day back in the latew 40's (heavens is that long ago) to 1952 - in the corner of the play ground was a raised slabbed area which was sacrosanct and we weren't allowed to walk or play upon it - it has now been removed to make room for more cars !! Can any of you tell me who and what it was dedicated to/for ? Somewhere I've a reference but I'm blowed if I can find it - be blowed or your blummer being Sileby phrases if not beyond. Must go Santa calls plus grandchildren and need all assistance with stockings Cheers Stuart Perkins
Hi all I am seeking information on my wifes great grandparents Arthur HURST b1866 Wigston married Amy TURNER b1872 Birdingbury Warwickshire According to the 1911 they had five children, four living in 1911 Albert Edward 1894 - 1965 Edith Agnes 1898 - 1933 Archie 1900 - 1918 Leonard 1910 - 1976 Albert is my wifes grandfather and we have more on him Edith married Fernand DE HOUX (or DEHOUX) in 1917 They had one son who died young in 1924, Edith died in 1933 no idea what became of Fernand Leonard married Doris BROOKS in 1933 Archie was a casualty of WW1 and his CWGC creates a curious question Private Archie HURST age 18 Devonshire Regiment Unit: 1st/5th Bn. Date of Death: 30/09/1918 Service No: 72087 Additional information: Son of Arthur and Amy Hurst of 65, Rue de L'eglise, A'Fromelennes, pras Givet, Ardennes, France. Native of Leicester. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 14. Cemetery: MASNIERES BRITISH CEMETERY, MARCOING Arthur & Amy are in England in 1911, the question being what were they doing in France Given the CWGC form would be around 1920/1922 Arthur was a compositor, he could be working in France I suppose but we have nothing to back that theory up I have failed to find deaths or burials for either Arthur or Amy so I suppose they could have died in France but again we have nothing on that One theory is that Fernand DEHOUX was French but haven't found him apart from the marriage I do not as yet have the marriage cert for DEHOUX to HURST -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)