Hi List, Could some one look at a signature for me please? help needed to decipher. Thanks Gill.

Can anyone fill me in on what the Breedon parish registers mean when they refer to "ye Moor"? For example: Thos ye son of Jno Endsor of ye Moor bapt 16 Mar 1711 Thanx................Bob Marttila in Hamilton, Ontario

Hi the university in Bergen has an on line course to help one read Gothic scripts, but I dont know if it is also in English, there must be one somewhere if you want I have a Gothic to Modern but it is more for the Germanic languages, but from what I have seen of old English might help regards Terry Norway > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:59:14 +1300 > From: blanchec@paradise.net.nz > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text > > > Jim wrote: > > In recent times > much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars > wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles > that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice > eye:-) > > Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this > subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all > suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. > > Jim Patterson-Brewin > > ------------------------------ > Hi Jim > > A department of Cambridge University has a (free) online course for reading old handwriting: > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > Regards > > Blanche Charles > Wellington > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hello List, I have a John Birtchnall Marriage to Mary Ann Hill 27th Apr 1830 at Saint Margaret Leicester. Could anyone with access to the parrish records tell me if they show any of the parents of either of them. A Birchnall

Jim <japatterson@shaw.ca> wrote: In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------ Hi Jim A department of Cambridge University has a (free) online course for reading old handwriting: http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ Regards Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand

There is a website for online look ups? - www.Theukelectoralroll.co.uk and another TraceSmart.co.uk/electoralroll?or if these don't work just google electoral rolls UK.? Hope you find her. Penny Wakefield -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-request@rootsweb.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 8:18 Subject: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 377 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text (Firebird) 2. Re: Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text (Jim & Ann) 3. Re: Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text (Blanche Charles) 4. 2007 Electoral Roll Leicester look-up? (Sally Walters) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:30:01 +0000 From: Firebird <sparrer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4763ACA9.40207@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Jim & Ann wrote: > Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this > subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all > suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. The National Archives has an online course. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:14:47 -0800 From: Jim & Ann <japatterson@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text To: "'Leicestershire List'" <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0JT300GIAJOQ0M10@l-daemon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Many thanks for all the great suggestions and info everyone will take all into consideration as I begin to decipher the older styles of UK texts beginning to appear in my research :-) Best of the Season to all.. Jim Patterson-Brewin Brentwood Bay, BC. Canada -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Ann Sent: December 14, 2007 8:55 PM To: Leicestershire List Subject: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text Hi everyone and best of the season to you all:-). In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:59:14 +1300 From: Blanche Charles <blanchec@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005801c83f7e$e0a8d7d0$fe974eca@blanchec9lin4q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jim <japatterson@shaw.ca> wrote: In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------ Hi Jim A department of Cambridge University has a (free) online course for reading old handwriting: http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ Regards Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:43:46 -0800 From: "Sally Walters" <swalters@dccnet.com> Subject: [LEI] 2007 Electoral Roll Leicester look-up? To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6DD38DF3B1EF49C1A1EAFC57E403A459@SallyNew> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have just discovered an aged relative, Win(n)ifred L Sturman, living in Leicester. She is my Dad's cousin, and is probably in her 90's. She is not in the phonebook, but I know that she is in the 2007 electoral roll. I am desperate to get her address so that I can write to her. I would be very grateful if SKS could look her up in the 2007 electoral roll for me and send me her address. I live in Canada so have no other way to get the info. Thanks very much, Sally in British Columbia ------------------------------ To contact the LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS list administrator, send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS mailing list, send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 377 *************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

I have just discovered an aged relative, Win(n)ifred L Sturman, living in Leicester. She is my Dad's cousin, and is probably in her 90's. She is not in the phonebook, but I know that she is in the 2007 electoral roll. I am desperate to get her address so that I can write to her. I would be very grateful if SKS could look her up in the 2007 electoral roll for me and send me her address. I live in Canada so have no other way to get the info. Thanks very much, Sally in British Columbia

Hi Jim, The following might help - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ In particular, the section on Handwriting. Also good examples on the "Unsolved" pages. And there are a number of links under the heading Paleography on the Links page. Another useful site is http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/ If you need more help then I'm happy to provide same. Or you could join the OLD-ENGLISH mailing list at OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com where lots of helpers can assist. Cheers, Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Ann Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 3:55 PM To: Leicestershire List Subject: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text Hi everyone and best of the season to you all:-). In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin

Jim & Ann wrote: > Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this > subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all > suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. The National Archives has an online course.

Many thanks for all the great suggestions and info everyone will take all into consideration as I begin to decipher the older styles of UK texts beginning to appear in my research :-) Best of the Season to all.. Jim Patterson-Brewin Brentwood Bay, BC. Canada -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Ann Sent: December 14, 2007 8:55 PM To: Leicestershire List Subject: [LEI] Learning to Read Old Scripts or Text Hi everyone and best of the season to you all:-). In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is a quirk of Gmail that you do not receive copies of your own messages you post, in your inbox, to mail lists like this one. Your messages are getting through to this list. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen phippen" <phippenfamily@gmail.com> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: [LEI] testing - as I have not yet rcvd the email I sent,could you please tell me if you get this message - thanks > -- > HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! > The Phippen Family > phippenfamily@gmail.com > Sydney, Australia > > earching for our ancestors all coming to Australia > PLATT /BARRAT/MORGAN- UK, BENNETT / FORREST- Scotland, PHIPPEN - > Unknown, > PEDRON - France > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://books.google.com/books?id=wWgJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA404&dq=%22trunk+maker this one has a fairly detailed description of the trade Bob May Sunshine Coast -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gould Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 1:19 AM To: 'Donald Hurd'; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] 1841 Census - Trunk Maker Hi Donald, Have a look here: <http://books.google.com/books?id=Fq4AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=%22trun k+maker%22&source=web&ots=mRE6ew9QnN&sig=zl4uEIKLfoVSR_d2Tz95-z0NIfQ#PPA73,M 1> and search for trunk maker. (you'll probably have to re-build the above url into a single line) It describes the occupation of trunk maker. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Hurd Sent: 14 December 2007 12:03 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] 1841 Census - Trunk Maker Many thanks to all who so promptly answered my call for help. All are agreed that the census entry describes William Cort in Great Bowden as a Trunk Maker. I presume this means the sort of large box that people packed their belongings in for a long trip - perhaps before suitcases became more commonly used - perhaps what boy would take to boarding school. I would have expected such an occupation to be in Leicester or Northampton where a market for such an item might exist. Most of the rest of the Corts in the area for wehom an occupation is given seem to be farmers or "ag labs" or graziers. Donald Hurd _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon! http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 13/12/2007 9:15 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 810 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

strange as I never got the email I sent, so it must be this email system (gmail) that is web based. I think I might use my normal email - thanks for letting me know On Dec 14, 2007 10:24 PM, karen phippen <phippenfamily@gmail.com> wrote: > > > -- > HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! > The Phippen Family > phippenfamily@gmail.com > Sydney, Australia > > earching for our ancestors all coming to Australia > PLATT /BARRAT/MORGAN- UK, BENNETT / FORREST- Scotland, PHIPPEN - Unknown, > PEDRON - France -- HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! The Phippen Family Sydney, Australia earching for our ancestors all coming to Australia PLATT /BARRAT/MORGAN- UK, BENNETT / FORREST- Scotland, PHIPPEN - Unknown, PEDRON - France

-- HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! The Phippen Family phippenfamily@gmail.com Sydney, Australia earching for our ancestors all coming to Australia PLATT /BARRAT/MORGAN- UK, BENNETT / FORREST- Scotland, PHIPPEN - Unknown, PEDRON - France

Hello everyone. Newbie for the list onboard. I am hoping that someone maybe able to share some knowledge. I believe that I may have located (after many years) my 4th G/Grandmother Ann Platt. (Nee Barrat) As per the 1871 census she is listed as being a Nurse at the Leicestershire and Rutland Asylum. So I have a few questions, and hope someone can assist, some of my questions maybe simple but as I am all the way "Down Under" I am unsure of the answers. My records show that my Ann (and her husband Thomas who died in 1843) was mainly located in the West Derby / Liverpool area. So my questions are How far away is Leicestershire to Liverpool ? Is anyone aware if staff records were kept (1871 forward and prior) and how I would obtain copies. Is anyone aware where she would of have had to train to be a nurse and how long training would have been. Where there staff quarters that they would have lived ? One of my problems in the past was that I "assumed" that Ann had passed away, as the last listing I have on her is on the 1841 census where the family (Thomas Snr, John, Joesph & Thomas Jnr) were (happily I hope) living in Toxeth Park. Thomas passed away in 1845. Left was Benjamin (2 yrs), John (17 yrs), Thomas (7 yrs) - Joseph had passed away in 1841 Q4. Whilst Thomas and Benjamin are both listed on the 1851 (as being the the West Derby Workhouse which I am led to believe that there are no records now available for this Workhouse at this time, assume they were destroyed somehow) I am unable to locate Ann or her eldest son John (who is my 3rd G/Grandfather and came to Australia in 1853, followed by Thomas and Benjamin the same year) on the 1851 census, nor am I able to find Ann on the 1861 census and whilst there are deaths of Ann in the West Derby area I am unable to match any that I have ordered succesfully as yet. Ann originated from Ireland (as per the 1841 census). So I am hoping that there was information of some sort held for staff, so that I can eliminate or celebrate my finding. Sorry for the long winded story, hope you can help - Thanks -- HAPPY HOLIDAYS ! The Phippen Family Sydney, Australia Searching for our ancestors all coming to Australia PLATT /BARRAT/MORGAN- UK, BENNETT / FORREST- Scotland, PHIPPEN - Unknown, PEDRON - France

Hi everyone and best of the season to you all:-). In recent times much of my research has taken me to a time in history where past scholars wrote quite differently than today and used fonts and calligraphy styles that I find quite hard or let's face impossible to read with my novice eye:-) Can someone please guide me as to any ways of learning more about this subject so as to better familiarize me with these old texts please, all suggestions welcome. Books and web sites all appreciated.. Jim Patterson-Brewin

Hello Donald, Apologies for my email ,I sent you the wrong William Cort, after doing another search this time on Ancestry.com and with a clearer reading it looks like you are right, I read it as a Trunk. m, meaning he made trunks. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Hurd" <donaldhurd@hotmail.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [LEI] Help to read 1841 census. > > If anyone has access to the 1841 census on CD or online or otherwise, I > would appreciate advice on a particular entry. I am looking at Bowden > Magna on page 11 of enumeration district 4. There it lists William and > Elizabeth Cort and their five small children. William is 25, Elizabeth is > 30. But I cannot read Wiliam's occupation. It looks like "Trunk m". Any > suggestions ? Don Hurd(Researching HURD, CORT, SCOTT, COOPER, POYNOR, > CARTWRIGHT and others) > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon! > http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree, it's 'Trunk m[aker]'. I tried checking in 1851, but then he was a Brick maker. Liz in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Binns Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 7:05 PM To: 'Donald Hurd'; leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Help to read 1841 census. Looks like Trunk m to me. Trunk maker? Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Hurd Sent: 14 December 2007 07:49 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Help to read 1841 census. If anyone has access to the 1841 census on CD or online or otherwise, I would appreciate advice on a particular entry. I am looking at Bowden Magna on page 11 of enumeration district 4. There it lists William and Elizabeth Cort and their five small children. William is 25, Elizabeth is 30. But I cannot read Wiliam's occupation. It looks like "Trunk m". Any suggestions ? Don Hurd(Researching HURD, CORT, SCOTT, COOPER, POYNOR, CARTWRIGHT and others)

Hello Donald, I had the opportunity to enlarge the census and it stated William Cort was a Coal Dealer and was born out of the County. Hope that helps, Pam...Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Hurd" <donaldhurd@hotmail.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [LEI] Help to read 1841 census. > > If anyone has access to the 1841 census on CD or online or otherwise, I > would appreciate advice on a particular entry. I am looking at Bowden > Magna on page 11 of enumeration district 4. There it lists William and > Elizabeth Cort and their five small children. William is 25, Elizabeth is > 30. But I cannot read Wiliam's occupation. It looks like "Trunk m". Any > suggestions ? Don Hurd(Researching HURD, CORT, SCOTT, COOPER, POYNOR, > CARTWRIGHT and others) > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon! > http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Martin & Mary Olive wrote: > I continue to be e-mailed by these people every month despite not > having used them since I took out a full annual subscription for > Ancestry. co.uk some years ago. Could anyone advise me if there is > anything there that you can't find in Ancestry? Have you asked them to unsubscribe you from their mailing list? You've probably still got an account with them, even if you aren't using it. I understand that findmypast does have databases that Ancestry don't. Why not have a look and see what they have? It doesn't cost to have a look and only you can decide what's best for you.