The Barbary Pirates (a/k/a Ottoman Corsairs, and hence maybe "turks") were active seizing hostages from vessels from the 16th Century. Wikipedia has a nice article. bob flavell, USA On Jan 30, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Lesley Chaney wrote: Hi Jim, I've had a quick flick through a history encyclopaedia but cannot see a likely war in the years leading up to 1684. I would have thought it more likely that the "redemption" (ie ransom) intended was that of Englishmen held by the Turks, rather than Turks held here. They could have been seized in the Med whilst going about their business rather than taken as prisoners of war. Merchant shipping might have been vulnerable to such actions. If anyone knows better or more, speak up! Lesley -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of jim goodman Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 jim BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. Hallaton, Leicestershire. Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the profits thereof given to the "most indigent, poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part of the money (was) employed for easing town levies, or not according to the intent of the testator, then he declared that the gift should cease, and the money be employed for the redemption of Turkish captives. The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and 1824, is reported at £100 each year. The names of the recipients are regularly entered Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— XXXII. pt. v. p. 235. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE- PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, There were Algerian pirates operating out of North Africa who would capture British and European shipping and sell the Christians into slavery. These slaves could be redeemed by their families. I know William Harris, one of the founders of Rhode Island was captured in 1680, he was later redeemed but died at the home of John Stokes in London. Harris was captured while going to London to reaffirm his claim to his land in Rhode Island. This was a question of Muslims capturing Christians which may have motivated Valentine Goodman to leave money for their redemption. While the well-to-do could finance their own redemption, for the poor sailors on those ships they were destined to be slaves the rest of their lives. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com> To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:45:06 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] Turkish captives, 1684 Hi Jim The way I read it is that the funds would go towards paying ransoms on people taken prisoner by the Turks (perhaps a generic term for non-Christians), not Turkish people taken prisoner. I don't imagine there were any Turks (or Turkish sympathisers) in Leicestershire in the 17th century - unless someone knows otherwise? John ----- Original Message ---- From: jim goodman <jimgoodman@telus.net> To: Leicestershire <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 6:20:46 PM Subject: [LEI] Turkish captives, 1684 Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 jim BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. Hallaton, Leicestershire. Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the profits thereof given to the "most indigent, poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part of the money (was) employed for easing town levies, or not according to the intent of the testator, then he declared that the gift should cease, and the money be employed for the redemption of Turkish captives. The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and 1824, is reported at £100 each year. The names of the recipients are regularly entered Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— XXXII. pt. v. p. 235. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Hi all, I have a Mary Grundy in Wymewold, who married William Charles in 1703. Would love to hear from anyone with an interest in Grundy or Charles in this area, Cheers Margot Gladstone, QLD -------Original Message------- From: Arthur G Broadhurst Date: 26/01/2008 2:45:56 PM To: 'Janette Pfeifer'; Subject: Re: [LEI] GRUNDY surname I have Grundy in my tree, married into my Broadhurst line in Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire. Earliest is John Grundy, date and place of birth unknown, who had a son Thomas b1766, who in turn had a son John Grundy. I have no idea whether my early John Grundy could be the one you are looking for, but any collateral info could be useful to know in sorting this out. Arthur G Broadhurst www.broadhurst.us Author of "Broadhurst of Ashby de la Zouch" - published 2007. -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janette Pfeifer Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:30 PM To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] GRUNDY surname Hello everyone, My direct ancestors are John GRUNDY who married 5.8.1740 in Fenny Drayton, Leicestershire to Elizabeth BALLARD. I have the descendants of them. ** John died 21.3.1773 in Fenny Drayton & was buried 24.3.1773 Church of St.Michael & All Angels in Fenny Drayton, Leics.....The Memorial stone says aged 64 therefotre born c 1709. ** Elizabeth died 20.4.1776 in Fenny Drayton & was buried April 1776 in Fenny Drayton....the Memorial stone says aged 55 therefore born c 1721. I have coloured photos of the memorial stones for the Grundy family from the church burial gounds in Fenny Drayton, Leics. Please could anyone help me. I'm after the birthdate, parents & any siblings of both John GRUNDY & Elizabeth nee BALLARD. The GRUNDY family was in the cotton industry & I'm descended from John Russell GRUNDY born Lancashire who was a spinner when he came out to Australia in the 1850's & was at the Ballarat goldfields, in Victoria. I look forward to any help or suggestions re the above birthdates etc. Regards, Janette Pfeifer (nee GRUNDY) in Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1239 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 10:24 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there have always been non European people in England mainly in the ports, who knows if some moved up to Leicester. There where also pirates who took British people as captives and sold them into slavery. may be the money was to rescue some of these. regards Terry Norway > > > Hi Jim > > The way I read it is that the funds would go towards paying ransoms on people taken prisoner by the Turks (perhaps a generic term for non-Christians), not Turkish people taken prisoner. I don't imagine there were any Turks (or Turkish sympathisers) in Leicestershire in the 17th century - unless someone knows otherwise? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jim goodman > To: Leicestershire > Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 6:20:46 PM > Subject: [LEI] Turkish captives, 1684 > > Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 > > jim > > > > BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, > DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. > Hallaton, Leicestershire. > Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, > bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the > profits thereof given to the "most indigent, > poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. > six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from > Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part > of the money (was) employed for easing town > levies, or not according to the intent of the > testator, then he declared that the gift should > cease, and the money be employed for the redemption > of Turkish captives. > The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and > 1824, is reported at £100 each year. > The names of the recipients are regularly entered > Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— > XXXII. pt. v. p. 235. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi Jim The way I read it is that the funds would go towards paying ransoms on people taken prisoner by the Turks (perhaps a generic term for non-Christians), not Turkish people taken prisoner. I don't imagine there were any Turks (or Turkish sympathisers) in Leicestershire in the 17th century - unless someone knows otherwise? John ----- Original Message ---- From: jim goodman <jimgoodman@telus.net> To: Leicestershire <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 6:20:46 PM Subject: [LEI] Turkish captives, 1684 Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 jim BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. Hallaton, Leicestershire. Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the profits thereof given to the "most indigent, poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part of the money (was) employed for easing town levies, or not according to the intent of the testator, then he declared that the gift should cease, and the money be employed for the redemption of Turkish captives. The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and 1824, is reported at £100 each year. The names of the recipients are regularly entered Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— XXXII. pt. v. p. 235.

Hi Jim, I've had a quick flick through a history encyclopaedia but cannot see a likely war in the years leading up to 1684. I would have thought it more likely that the "redemption" (ie ransom) intended was that of Englishmen held by the Turks, rather than Turks held here. They could have been seized in the Med whilst going about their business rather than taken as prisoners of war. Merchant shipping might have been vulnerable to such actions. If anyone knows better or more, speak up! Lesley -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of jim goodman Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 jim BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. Hallaton, Leicestershire. Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the profits thereof given to the "most indigent, poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part of the money (was) employed for easing town levies, or not according to the intent of the testator, then he declared that the gift should cease, and the money be employed for the redemption of Turkish captives. The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and 1824, is reported at £100 each year. The names of the recipients are regularly entered Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— XXXII. pt. v. p. 235.

Sue Hope this message is directed to you but to others in the same situation too. Recently I was told by two or our members on list that Muller Orphan House, Ashley Down, Bristol, England, owned and operated by a George Muller took in children whose families no longer could care for them. Long and short, I was able to trace four of my grandparents siblings and my grandfather by contacting them. It was quite a story and for 50L I was able to obtain the whole file on all of them including the death certificates of my great grandparents which were FULL of information and birth certificates of all the children. There was also medical records on each child as well as a continuum of where they went after being released at the appropriate age. It is certainly worth a try. Your contact person would be WENDY at Muller Orphan House. You might have to do a google on it. Good luck, Susan (if you need more help please don't hesitate to contact me directly) Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:33:56 +0000 From: Sue Hope <s3_hope@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: [LEI] Being fostered To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY124-W49EA02A5960AE8C71FBA389F350@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anybody tell me please where I should go to look (i.e. websites) for the official details of 2 brothers and their sister being fostered - names all known etc. Their parents went looking for work and never returned to the village for them - they were believed to have been murdered. The children were then fostered by the widow of a local gamekeeper. In 1891 census they were with their parents and in the 1901 one were being fostered. Many thanksSue Hope -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting

Hi jim Charles cooper .b. 1801 Markfield 1801 -june 1889 Mrk Bosworth Rd He married Elizabeth geary nov 18 ,1830 thornton.she was born 1810 in Stanton and died Dec1889 in mrk Bosworth Rd . more of charles occ :1841 :Famer ;1751:Ag labr,1861 :Farmer 8 acres,1871:Aglabr:Grasier 7 acres Markfield;1881:ellists lane Markfield Children of Alice Geary Cooper.b. 1834, Markfield John Cooper,b.1836,Markfield;d bet 1908-1915, Mar Bosworth Rd ;m Nartha Kirby, March 1870, Barrow Rd ;;1830,Belgrave ;D Dec 1915 , Mar bosworth. more about John occ:1851:Farm serv for Edard Knowles , Farmer 218 ac,Nailston;1861:Carter for Abraham Geary, Farmer,100 acres,Markfield;1871&1881:Ag labr;1891:Farmer;1901:Small Grasier Carter&Carrier Residence:1871 Mowhacker Hill, Leic Belgrave;1891 ;Horse pool Lane , Markfield;1901Cliffe hill Markfield Joseph Cooper B dec 1837, Markfield- plough driver 1838 Abraham CooperB sept 1840 Caleb Cooper,B. dec 1842, Markfield William Cooper,B1846, Markfield. occ:1861Carter for Samuel Spriggs, Farmer,60ac,Shaw lane , Markfield James Cooper, b. june 1848, Markfield;D dec 1874,MRK Bosworth Rd. occ:1861:Carter's boy for James CUMBERLAND,fARMER, 480AC,Ch arley knoll, Woodhouse;1871:Railway Porter Residence:1871: Boarding at Springfield Place, GUISELEY,YORK Charles Cooper. B. september 1850,Markfield;D sept 1867,Mrk Bosworth Rd generation 2 Abraham Cooper -b- 1840 Joseph Cooper .b. 1837. Markfield ernest Cooper.b.1907 linda Cooper .b.1941 THats the end of the coopers i will send the others when you have this who they married when and were steve Thanks jim

Sue Hope wrote: > Can anybody tell me please where I should go to look (i.e. > websites) for the official details of 2 brothers and their sister > being fostered - names all known etc. Their parents went looking > for work and never returned to the village for them - they were > believed to have been murdered. The children were then fostered by > the widow of a local gamekeeper. In 1891 census they were with > their parents and in the 1901 one were being fostered. There wouldn't be any official records back then. It was an informal arrangement between the parents and, usually, a member of the extended family. It might have been a friend or neighbour. If you know the names of the parents, then you can look on www.freebmd.org.uk or one of the pay sites for their deaths and get the certificates. That will prove one way or another whether they were indeed murdered, or simply never came back for the children. You have a fairly small time frame to check.

Hi Sue I wish you well with your search but doubt you will find anything It was a private arrangement and unlikely to be recorded unless there was some possibility of a later dispute regarding property or title to it, there was no official body as such for it then Adoption did not start officially until 1927 I would ask at the Leicestershire Records Office but suspect they have nothing on it, its always worth asking though Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Can anybody tell me please where I should go to look (i.e. websites) for > the official details of 2 brothers and their sister being fostered - names > all known etc. Their parents went looking for work and never returned to > the village for them - they were believed to have been murdered. The > children were then fostered by the widow of a local gamekeeper. In 1891 > census they were with their parents and in the 1901 one were being > fostered. > Many thanksSue Hope

Nivard, many thanks for locating Edward..would never have thought of "Lowesby". Another mystery solved! Pete Lyneham,Wilts Researching Broughton of Lyddington Broughton of Little and Great Bowden/Pitsford/Braybrooke Smith and Claypole of Bowden and Clipston Harding of Stoke Albany and Wilbarston

Can anybody tell me please where I should go to look (i.e. websites) for the official details of 2 brothers and their sister being fostered - names all known etc. Their parents went looking for work and never returned to the village for them - they were believed to have been murdered. The children were then fostered by the widow of a local gamekeeper. In 1891 census they were with their parents and in the 1901 one were being fostered. Many thanksSue Hope _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml

Hi jim when would you be able to send information to me yours sincerly steven woolman

a piece of data for the records, inscription notes not sure what qd. pi. or mur. mean, any ideas? jim NORTHAMPTONSHIRE. 159 KETTEBING. Edm. Sawyer, 1631, set. 69(?), in arm., and w. Anne, dau. of Edw. Goodman, Gent., of Blaston, Leic., they had 15 chil., qd. pi., mur.

Any thoughts on why Turkish captives would be in this area circa 1684 jim BEQUEST TO MOST INDIGENT, POOREST, AGED, DECREPIT, MISERABLEST PAUPERS. Hallaton, Leicestershire. Valentine Goodman, by will, dated in 1684, bequeathed £800 to be laid out in land, and the profits thereof given to the "most indigent, poorest, aged, decrepit, miserablest paupers," viz. six from Easton, four from Medbourn, four from Hallaton, and two from Blaston ; and if any part of the money (was) employed for easing town levies, or not according to the intent of the testator, then he declared that the gift should cease, and the money be employed for the redemption of Turkish captives. The produce of the land in 1822, 1823, and 1824, is reported at £100 each year. The names of the recipients are regularly entered Jn a book, with the amount paid to each.— XXXII. pt. v. p. 235.

Charles Sidebottom wrote: > I recently became aware (by reading list postings) that there is something > called the National Burial Index. I am wondering if anyone who has access > could do a few look-ups for me, please. Maybe I will get lucky with a brick > wall! The NBI is very strict about look ups and doesn't allow them. However, if you have a look on www.familyhistoryonline.net they have a number of NBI entries and I believe www.findmypast.com also has some, whether they are the same or not I don't know. The NBI is also available for purchase.

Replied off-list ----- Original Message ---- From: Charles Sidebottom <sidebc1@comcast.net> To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2008 7:50:38 PM Subject: [LEI] PADLEY burial information Now that we are nearly one month into 2008, I hope the new year is going well for all listers. I recently became aware (by reading list postings) that there is something called the National Burial Index. I am wondering if anyone who has access could do a few look-ups for me, please. Maybe I will get lucky with a brick wall! My great grandmother, Mary Ann PADLEY (nee Tindall), died in Hugglescote/Coalville, Leicestershire on 21 Oct 1882. The death was registered 31 Oct 1882. I have the death certificate; but I want to know where she was buried. The Padleys were a poor family. I doubt there was money for a burial with any kind of monument. Still, she has to be buried somewhere. Mary Ann also had two daughters buried in the Leicestershire area within a few years of Mary Ann's death. They were: Phoebe PADLEY, age 4, died 24 Mar 1876 at Whiteleys, Hugglescote, Leicestershire. The death was registered 25 Mar 1876. Emma PADLEY, age 19, died 24 Mar 1884 at Chester's Row, Swannington, Leicestershire. The death was registered 24 Mar 1884. As with their mother, I doubt that there were funds for a burial with a monument for either of the daughters; yet I would like to know where these girls are buried. Hopefully, someone on the list holds the key to unlocking this mystery. Thanks loads, Carolyn in Minnesota USA

well done mick steve

Hi mick Thanks very much for letting me know i can put that in my file now. Thanks steve

Dear Listers, Reposting a new line of surname interests: I am looking for the family of Arthur PRATT, born Hinckley in 1850. I believe that Arthur’s parents were Knightley Pratt, b 1818 in Burbage, Leics, and Mary HOPWELL b. 1816 in Hinckley. Knightley’s parents could have been Thomas Pratt and Ann TAYLOR who married in Hinckley in 1815. I would be pleased to hear from anyone else who is researching these lines. Jon Mackley Northamptonshire, UK