Hi then of course we have all the foriegn spellings of "English" names Alis, Kristoffer, Peder, Rebekka, Angelike, etc and were a grand parent wasn't English speaking Kjettill, Kjell , Ingebjørg etc. to take a few from Norwegian. Given names give us some pretty good clues about where and who we came from, and help put "flesh" on the bones of our ancestors. regards Terry Norway > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:02:19 +1100 > From: kitty.cc931126@gmail.com > To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LEI] Unusual Christian Names > > My Leicestershire born Great Grandmother, called one of her children. > George Edward Baden Powell Mafeking, after Baden Powell the > person who first started the Scout Movement. > And after a battle he had fought in. > Early on in the 1900's. > Must have been a hard name for a kid to learn to write. > We also have a Cyril St Clair attribituted to her naming her children. > Just a weird woman one would suppose. > Or Just someone who had a taste for unusual names. > The rest were normal names, ie Thomas, David, Albert and Ada to name a few. > Quite a handsome young man from his photo. > But we all felt very sorry for his name. > Which by his nieces and nephews he was known as Uncle Badie. > I am inclined to believe, at the time she just wanted a child of hers to > have a distinguished name. > A Lot of old fashioned names are becoming popular here in Tasmania again. > Or might I say unusual names. > Kitty > Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY wrote: > Hi then of course we have all the foriegn spellings of "English" > names Alis, Kristoffer, Peder, Rebekka, Angelike, etc and were a > grand parent wasn't English speaking Kjettill, Kjell , Ingebjørg > etc. to take a few from Norwegian. Ingebjørg is also Icelandic.

Mike wrote: > But can anyone explain why a whole family of males born c 1825 had > the middle Christian names of Napoleon Bonaparte and their sister > was Josephine!! Admirers of Napoleon and Josephine perhaps?

Yes I suppose you are right. Just do a search on ancestry on censuses and see how many people born around 1805 have Horatio Nelson as their Christian names, and not just males. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Firebird Sent: 29 February 2008 20:06 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Unusual Christian names Brian Binns wrote: > I can find no relative of my great-grandmother who fought in that battle, so > there is no obvious reason, other than it being in the news. It would be > like someone being called Falklands or Basra today. The uses of such names was because of the battle/s and yes it would be like someone being called Falkland now. Not Basra though I don't think. > Very odd. Not really, not for then. It would be odd now but then there are some names chosen for children these days that in a generation or two will be considered "very odd" but they'll be doing the same thing as you are: applying 20th/21st century thinking to the 19th century/20th century or in the future: 21st/22nd century thinking to the 20th/21st. > Even more so > that she passed this name on to one of her children, born some 40 years > later. There was more national pride then than there is now. It was recognition of an achievement that was considered worthy of passing on. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian Binns wrote: > I can find no relative of my great-grandmother who fought in that battle, so > there is no obvious reason, other than it being in the news. It would be > like someone being called Falklands or Basra today. The uses of such names was because of the battle/s and yes it would be like someone being called Falkland now. Not Basra though I don't think. > Very odd. Not really, not for then. It would be odd now but then there are some names chosen for children these days that in a generation or two will be considered "very odd" but they'll be doing the same thing as you are: applying 20th/21st century thinking to the 19th century/20th century or in the future: 21st/22nd century thinking to the 20th/21st. > Even more so > that she passed this name on to one of her children, born some 40 years > later. There was more national pride then than there is now. It was recognition of an achievement that was considered worthy of passing on.

My great-grandmother Mary Lee was given the middle name Inkerman, after the eponymous battle in the Crimea War which was fought in the year of her birth, 1854. This battle was more usually commemorated with the naming of streets - isn't there an Inkerman Street close to Coronation Street? I don't watch that particular TV soap, (or any actually) so I stand corrected. I can find no relative of my great-grandmother who fought in that battle, so there is no obvious reason, other than it being in the news. It would be like someone being called Falklands or Basra today. Very odd. Even more so that she passed this name on to one of her children, born some 40 years later. Brian Binns

I wonder if someone could please tell me why I cannot find many people on the 1861 census for Leicester. Have they not been transcribed or copied i.e. Ancestry? Thank you, Jackie, Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg]

Jackie, More likely to be transcription errors. Can you give us some examples? Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Harris" <towmed@telefonica.net> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: [LEI] 1861 census >I wonder if someone could please tell me why I cannot find many people > on the 1861 census for Leicester. > Have they not been transcribed or copied i.e. Ancestry? > Thank you, > > Jackie,

Hi List, I'd just like to say that naming people after significant locations certainly happens. My own brother and my grandson are both called Antony ( no h) specifically after the village in Cornwall where my mother was born. Other examples of place names used as first names are Lerryn and Landulph, so it's quite a common practice, and logic would suggest that anyone from the next village or town could be labelled by the name of that place and end up with it as a surname? Linda in Long Eaton ( surname Rowland, maybe from the Derbyshire village?)

G'day Listers, I am hoping to make contact with anyone who has an interest in the above names. Regards (walandrhonda@yahoo.com.au) Wal Towells “May all the trees that you grow, bear fruit”. --------------------------------- Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address.

I have a granddaughter named Rhondda (note the double "d") My dad was born in the Rhondda Valley, South Wales. And the list goes on ~ ~ ~ Monica Los Angeles, California

Hi list, more removals from Derbyshire Lucy BROWN als YEN Repton to Ashby de la Zouch 1763 Elizabeth STONE widow of Richard STONE, Thomas, Richard, John, Elizabeth, Jane . Repton to Castle Donington. 1763 Ephraim MARSHALL ,Elizabeth wife, Elizabeth, Ann, John. Hartshorne to Market Bosworth 1765 mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Jan, at the risk of being flippant, if we used the same logic does that mean that your husband was born on the moon!!!!!!! (With tongue in cheek.) Peter Holmes Western Australia. Skype ; p.g.holmes [HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Manthorpe, Spalding, Pinchbeck, Donington then Leicestershire)]. [DAVISON (Spalding, Donington, Ingoldmells, Skegness)]. [CRAGG (Lincolnshire, Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire)] [FREER (Leicestershire)]. [RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Anwick, N & S Kyme, N & S Rauceby, Surfleet, Spalding)] [RYLOTT (Ontario Canada & some in Florida USA)] Villages are in Lincolnshire unless stated. PLUS 4 DUTCH surname lines - from Rotterdam area (in Dutch). -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan & Stuart Moon Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 09:32 AM To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Places as Names?? e.g. Melton Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after places they came from? Regards Jan Moon Daintree, Australia

Peter HOLMES wrote: > Jan, at the risk of being flippant, if we used the same logic does that > mean that your husband was born on the moon!!!!!!! I'm darn sure some of mine were or else they were aliens who were subsequently collected by their mother ship from the way they suddenly appear/disappear!! On a more serious note, MOON could have evolved from MOOR. I've come across a few MOORs who at first glance seemed to be MOONs.

Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after places they came from? I am curious as I have relatives in NZ and Australia, who's beginnings I don't know yet, but 1/2 a dozen of them were named Melton, and I also have 2 Annesleys. (I thought perhaps after Melton Mowbray, and the place Annesley) Does anyone have thoughts about this? Regards Jan Moon Daintree, Australia

Jan - my uncle's middle name was Windsor and I can only presume it's because his ancestors came from there. Jane >----Original Message---- >From: stu_jan52@activ8.net.au >Date: 28/02/2008 0:32 >To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [LEI] Places as Names?? e.g. Melton > >Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after >places they came from? >I am curious as I have relatives in NZ and Australia, who's beginnings I >don't know yet, but 1/2 a dozen of them were named Melton, and I also have 2 >Annesleys. (I thought perhaps after Melton Mowbray, and the place Annesley) >Does anyone have thoughts about this? >Regards >Jan Moon >Daintree, Australia > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE- PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Up to 33% off Norton Security from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc/

The Christian name of Florence was unknown before Mr and Mrs Nightingale decided to name their daughter after the city of Florence, where she was born, so no, there is nothing new under the sun. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Firebird Sent: 28 February 2008 08:08 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] Places as Names?? e.g. Melton Jan & Stuart Moon wrote: > Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after > places they came from? Very likely I'd say. It's said there's nothing new under the sun, so I don't imagine that when Brooklyn Beckham's parents named him after the place he was conceived, they were being as imaginative as they thought they were. (Thank goodness for his sake he wasn't conceived in Florence!!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan & Stuart Moon wrote: > Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after > places they came from? Very likely I'd say. It's said there's nothing new under the sun, so I don't imagine that when Brooklyn Beckham's parents named him after the place he was conceived, they were being as imaginative as they thought they were. (Thank goodness for his sake he wasn't conceived in Florence!!)

Jan, Your theory is highly probable. One of the sources of surnames is that of locality; for instance the surname Melton would have originated as John of Melton, thence becoming John Melton over time. Often the children of a marriage were given the female surname as a second Christian name, and this then developed into a first Christian name. Incidentally, Melton itself is a corruption of Middleton, and the full name of Leicestershire's Melton Mowbray incorporates the Saxon village name, Melton, with the Norman French surname Mowbray, from Roger de Mowbray. It's amazing how things come around if it's appeared as a Christian name. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan & Stuart Moon Sent: 28 February 2008 00:32 To: LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com Subject: [LEI] Places as Names?? e.g. Melton Does anyone know if it is likely that people names their children after places they came from? I am curious as I have relatives in NZ and Australia, who's beginnings I don't know yet, but 1/2 a dozen of them were named Melton, and I also have 2 Annesleys. (I thought perhaps after Melton Mowbray, and the place Annesley) Does anyone have thoughts about this? Regards Jan Moon Daintree, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Sorry if some may get this message twice abut as I an not sure which side of the family this photo comes from is why I have asked both lists. I have a photo of a lady looking a bit like a maid but at the bottom of the photo it says E. Wells photo 30 Upper conduct street. I think they may well be another letter in front of the "E" but where this place is would be a good start for me to be able to identify who this lady is. Any and all help or advice is more than greatly apprecited. Regards Kerrie Myers Sydney Australia