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My Fowkes Henry maried my ggmother in 1925 they moved Ingleton in the West Riding of Yorkshire Terry> From: annepaling@hotmail.com> To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:39:28 +0000> Subject: Re: [LEI] The pewtrall family> > > > My FOWKES came from around Rothley.> > Guy born 1834 - became a publican in Coventry.> Anne Paling> > SHEFFIELD, U.K.> > > From: swalters@dccnet.com> > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:26:35 -0700> Subject: Re: [LEI] The pewtrall family> > Hi Steven,> > Where do the PEWTRALLs come in? I have POWDERHILLs from around Markfield - > probably the same name. Also FOWKES and SWINFIELD.> > regards,> Sally> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LINDA WOOLMAN" <linda.woolman@btinternet.com>> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com>> Cc: <linda.woolman@btiternet.com>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:50 PM> Subject: [LEI] The pewtrall family> > > > Dear sir /Madam> > My name is StevenWoolman Iam researching my mothers family tree and have > > come across the massey family in Markfield .one of their sons James Massey > > married to a Sarah Deacon from Markfield i would like to know if this > > Deacon family are on your side of the Family .> > James Massey Born 1855 in Markfield> > He married Sarah Deacon ,Daughter of Thomas Deacon She was born Abt 1858 > > in Stanton under Bardon> > More about james> > 1881 census Mainst Stanton with Thoma!> s Deacon, engine stationary driver at > > the Quarry> > 1891 census: the Cliffe,hill quarry Stanton with Thomas Deacon,engine > > driver stationary at quarry> > 1901 census:summerfield villas, Marston rd Belgrave,leicester> > Baptism:May,1855, Markfeild> > the masseys are my mothers family> > please can you help with any thing it would be a big help> > Many Thanks> > Steven Woolman> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

May I thank you all Peter, David and of course Nivard for your comments. I confess that my Grey turns out to be an electrician with no connection to Earl Grey Tea is a disappointment but I know now that he had grey eyes and weighed 145 lbs and went to South Africa with the Imperial Light Horse and then re-enlisted in the South African Army so probably he never lived in England again I have also several useful contacts to take it further. Thank you Michael Allbrook ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My FOWKES came from around Rothley. Guy born 1834 - became a publican in Coventry. Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. > From: swalters@dccnet.com > To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:26:35 -0700> Subject: Re: [LEI] The pewtrall family> > Hi Steven,> > Where do the PEWTRALLs come in? I have POWDERHILLs from around Markfield - > probably the same name. Also FOWKES and SWINFIELD.> > regards,> Sally> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LINDA WOOLMAN" <linda.woolman@btinternet.com>> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com>> Cc: <linda.woolman@btiternet.com>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:50 PM> Subject: [LEI] The pewtrall family> > > > Dear sir /Madam> > My name is StevenWoolman Iam researching my mothers family tree and have > > come across the massey family in Markfield .one of their sons James Massey > > married to a Sarah Deacon from Markfield i would like to know if this > > Deacon family are on your side of the Family .> > James Massey Born 1855 in Markfield> > He married Sarah Deacon ,Daughter of Thomas Deacon She was born Abt 1858 > > in Stanton under Bardon> > More about james> > 1881 census Mainst Stanton with Thomas Deacon, engine stationary driver at > > the Quarry> > 1891 census: the Cliffe,hill quarry Stanton with Thomas Deacon,engine > > driver stationary at quarry> > 1901 census:summerfield villas, Marston rd Belgrave,leicester> > Baptism:May,1855, Markfeild> > the masseys are my mothers family> > please can you help with any thing it would be a big help> > Many Thanks> > Steven Woolman> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Michael, I obtained the death notice for William McKerrell in the pre-internet days from the South African Archives, who now have a website. http://www.national.archives.gov.za/ >From 1910 to the mid-nineties, the Union of South Africa (1910-1961) and later Republic of South Africa (1961- ) was organised into four provinces, each with their own archives. The four provinces and their capitals are: Cape Province (Cape Town), Natal (Pietermaritzburg) Orange Free State (Bloemfontein) Transvaal (Pretoria). The Administrative Capital of South Africa was Pretoria, while the Parliamentary Capital was Cape Town. (Since the nineties, there have been a number of changes. Transvaal has been split up into several provinces and I think the Cape has been also split into two). The catalogue for the Federal and Provinces was fully computerised in nineties and linked together. I found my reference by asking the Natal Archives for a listing of "Baikie" references and as you'll see the only time was Baikie was mentioned was as one of William McKerrell's wife's middle names. More recently, I obtained a non-military and much earlier Death Notice from a local archive in the Eastern Cape which allowed me solve another early 19th century Scottish problem! So you can either approach the South African Archives direct or if you need further advice, sign on temporarily to one of the South African mailing lists on Rootsweb. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@allbrook.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Off list Thank you very much, please, do you have a web address for the S A Records as I have not found it Michael -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: 24 July 2008 17:53 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Michael, If your Charles Horace Gray died while serving with the South African Infantry during the First World War, then there will be a South African "Death Notice" for him. This death notice is a detailed death certificate with probate records attached. A Scottish cousin of mine married a South African soldier in 1915, and he was later killed in France. Below is the sort of thing you'll get from South African Records. Death Notice; South Africa : Name : William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, Place of Birth : Cradock, South Africa, Nationality : British, Father : William McKerrell, deceased, Mother : Christina Leishman Sneddon, deceased, Age : 27 years and 7 months, Occupation : Engineer, Residence : Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, Marital Status : Married out of Community, Spouse : Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek, Place of Marriage : Prestonpans, Scotland, Date of Death : 10th April 1918, Place of Death : At a Clearing Station Hospital in France, Cause of Death : from Wounds received in Action, Children : Archibald Alexander McKerrell, 29th July 1916, Has Deceased left - Movable Property ?; : Yes, Immovable Property ?; : No, Is Estate greater than £300 ? : Yes, Left a Will ?; : Yes, Dated : 26th February 1919 at Edinburgh, Scotland, Signed : Margaret M.B. McKerrell, Capacity : Widow of the Deceased, not present at Death . Probate : Last Will and Testament. I, William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, presently of Cape Town, do hereby revoke, cancel and annull all former Testamentary Dispositions made by me and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I give and bequeath to my brother Colin Thomas McKerrell, the sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds (£150) Sterling. I appoint my intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek of Woodbine, Prestonpans, Scotland, to be the sole and universal heiress of all the rest of my Estate and Effects of Whatsoever kind. I further appoint my said intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek and Henry Duncan Wright, at present Manager of Stewarts and Lloyds (South Africa) Limited, Bloemfontein, to be the Executrix and Executor of this my Will and Administratrix and Administrator of my Estate, granting unto them all power and authority in law, especially that of assumption. I reserve to myself the power to make all alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit, either by a separate act or at the foot hereof, desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my own signature shall be had as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand at Cape Town, this third day of September in the Year of our Lord, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifteen in the presence of the subscribing Witnesses. W.A.S. McKerrell, Witnesses : 1) William S. Row, 2) J.W. Loubser. Will accepted and Registered: M. Huhbling ?, Master, Supreme Court, Bloemfontein, 27/6/19 So I'd follow up the South African lead if I were you. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Michael, If your Charles Horace Gray died while serving with the South African Infantry during the First World War, then there will be a South African "Death Notice" for him. This death notice is a detailed death certificate with probate records attached. A Scottish cousin of mine married a South African soldier in 1915, and he was later killed in France. Below is the sort of thing you'll get from South African Records. Death Notice; South Africa : Name : William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, Place of Birth : Cradock, South Africa, Nationality : British, Father : William McKerrell, deceased, Mother : Christina Leishman Sneddon, deceased, Age : 27 years and 7 months, Occupation : Engineer, Residence : Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, Marital Status : Married out of Community, Spouse : Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek, Place of Marriage : Prestonpans, Scotland, Date of Death : 10th April 1918, Place of Death : At a Clearing Station Hospital in France, Cause of Death : from Wounds received in Action, Children : Archibald Alexander McKerrell, 29th July 1916, Has Deceased left - Movable Property ?; : Yes, Immovable Property ?; : No, Is Estate greater than £300 ? : Yes, Left a Will ?; : Yes, Dated : 26th February 1919 at Edinburgh, Scotland, Signed : Margaret M.B. McKerrell, Capacity : Widow of the Deceased, not present at Death . Probate : Last Will and Testament. I, William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, presently of Cape Town, do hereby revoke, cancel and annull all former Testamentary Dispositions made by me and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I give and bequeath to my brother Colin Thomas McKerrell, the sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds (£150) Sterling. I appoint my intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek of Woodbine, Prestonpans, Scotland, to be the sole and universal heiress of all the rest of my Estate and Effects of Whatsoever kind. I further appoint my said intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek and Henry Duncan Wright, at present Manager of Stewarts and Lloyds (South Africa) Limited, Bloemfontein, to be the Executrix and Executor of this my Will and Administratrix and Administrator of my Estate, granting unto them all power and authority in law, especially that of assumption. I reserve to myself the power to make all alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit, either by a separate act or at the foot hereof, desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my own signature shall be had as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand at Cape Town, this third day of September in the Year of our Lord, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifteen in the presence of the subscribing Witnesses. W.A.S. McKerrell, Witnesses : 1) William S. Row, 2) J.W. Loubser. Will accepted and Registered: M. Huhbling ?, Master, Supreme Court, Bloemfontein, 27/6/19 So I'd follow up the South African lead if I were you. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@allbrook.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Nivard Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent detail Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 24 July 2008 15:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM

I understand you can search the boar war records here, though I understand it is not fully indexed. http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Boer/ kind regards. Ray Begley No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1570 - Release Date: 24/07/2008 06:59

Dear sir /Madam My name is StevenWoolman Iam researching my mothers family tree and have come across the massey family in Markfield .one of their sons James Massey married to a Sarah Deacon from Markfield i would like to know if this Deacon family are on your side of the Family . James Massey Born 1855 in Markfield He married Sarah Deacon  ,Daughter of Thomas Deacon She was born Abt 1858 in Stanton under Bardon More about james 1881 census Mainst Stanton with Thomas Deacon, engine stationary driver at the Quarry 1891 census: the Cliffe,hill quarry Stanton with Thomas Deacon,engine driver stationary at quarry 1901 census:summerfield villas, Marston rd Belgrave,leicester Baptism:May,1855, Markfeild the masseys are my mothers family please can you help with any thing it would be a big help Many Thanks Steven Woolman

Hi Steven, Where do the PEWTRALLs come in? I have POWDERHILLs from around Markfield - probably the same name. Also FOWKES and SWINFIELD. regards, Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "LINDA WOOLMAN" <linda.woolman@btinternet.com> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <linda.woolman@btiternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [LEI] The pewtrall family > Dear sir /Madam > My name is StevenWoolman Iam researching my mothers family tree and have > come across the massey family in Markfield .one of their sons James Massey > married to a Sarah Deacon from Markfield i would like to know if this > Deacon family are on your side of the Family . > James Massey Born 1855 in Markfield > He married Sarah Deacon ,Daughter of Thomas Deacon She was born Abt 1858 > in Stanton under Bardon > More about james > 1881 census Mainst Stanton with Thomas Deacon, engine stationary driver at > the Quarry > 1891 census: the Cliffe,hill quarry Stanton with Thomas Deacon,engine > driver stationary at quarry > 1901 census:summerfield villas, Marston rd Belgrave,leicester > Baptism:May,1855, Markfeild > the masseys are my mothers family > please can you help with any thing it would be a big help > Many Thanks > Steven Woolman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Off list Thank you very much, please, do you have a web address for the S A Records as I have not found it Michael -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: 24 July 2008 17:53 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Michael, If your Charles Horace Gray died while serving with the South African Infantry during the First World War, then there will be a South African "Death Notice" for him. This death notice is a detailed death certificate with probate records attached. A Scottish cousin of mine married a South African soldier in 1915, and he was later killed in France. Below is the sort of thing you'll get from South African Records. Death Notice; South Africa : Name : William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, Place of Birth : Cradock, South Africa, Nationality : British, Father : William McKerrell, deceased, Mother : Christina Leishman Sneddon, deceased, Age : 27 years and 7 months, Occupation : Engineer, Residence : Bloemfontein, Orange Free State, Marital Status : Married out of Community, Spouse : Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek, Place of Marriage : Prestonpans, Scotland, Date of Death : 10th April 1918, Place of Death : At a Clearing Station Hospital in France, Cause of Death : from Wounds received in Action, Children : Archibald Alexander McKerrell, 29th July 1916, Has Deceased left - Movable Property ?; : Yes, Immovable Property ?; : No, Is Estate greater than £300 ? : Yes, Left a Will ?; : Yes, Dated : 26th February 1919 at Edinburgh, Scotland, Signed : Margaret M.B. McKerrell, Capacity : Widow of the Deceased, not present at Death . Probate : Last Will and Testament. I, William Archibald Struthers McKerrell, presently of Cape Town, do hereby revoke, cancel and annull all former Testamentary Dispositions made by me and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament. I give and bequeath to my brother Colin Thomas McKerrell, the sum of One Hundred and Fifty Pounds (£150) Sterling. I appoint my intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek of Woodbine, Prestonpans, Scotland, to be the sole and universal heiress of all the rest of my Estate and Effects of Whatsoever kind. I further appoint my said intended wife, Margaret McAndrew Baikie Meek and Henry Duncan Wright, at present Manager of Stewarts and Lloyds (South Africa) Limited, Bloemfontein, to be the Executrix and Executor of this my Will and Administratrix and Administrator of my Estate, granting unto them all power and authority in law, especially that of assumption. I reserve to myself the power to make all alterations in or additions to this my Will as I shall think fit, either by a separate act or at the foot hereof, desiring that all such alterations or additions so made under my own signature shall be had as valid and effectual as if they had been inserted herein. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand at Cape Town, this third day of September in the Year of our Lord, One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifteen in the presence of the subscribing Witnesses. W.A.S. McKerrell, Witnesses : 1) William S. Row, 2) J.W. Loubser. Will accepted and Registered: M. Huhbling ?, Master, Supreme Court, Bloemfontein, 27/6/19 So I'd follow up the South African lead if I were you. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@allbrook.com To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Nivard Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent detail Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 24 July 2008 15:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 1:31 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Michael (I will reply more fully to your off list mail in a minute) The boy registered in Kensington may well be your man, nb he is registered under both GRAY & GREY same refs He is a Charles Horace GREY or GRAY which is the name of the man you seek, the son of Albert and Alice was a Charles Robert so that reg in 1879 is not theirs More anon Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard > Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is > not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent > detail > Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be > the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry?

Nivard Thank you very much for that. That increases the problem because if he is not the child born in London I can not find his birth or any subsequent detail Can anyone tell me how to find British Army Boer War Records which may be the sensible next step or the records of the South African Infantry? -----Original Message----- From: leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:leicestershire-plus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 24 July 2008 15:56 To: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LEI] C H Grey Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael It would appear that Albert and Alice are not his parents >From Whos Who GREY, 5th Earl cr 1806 Charles Robert Grey Bt 1746; Baron Grey, 1801; Viscount Howick, 1806 Born 15 Dec. 1879; s of 4th Earl and Alice (d 1944), 3rd d of Robert Stayner Holford, MP, Westonbirt, Gloucestershire; m 1906, Lady Mabel Laura Georgina Palmer, CBE (d 1958), d of 2nd Earl of Selborne; one d ; died 2 April 1963 Succession S father, 1917 Career Late 2nd Lieut 1st Life Guards; served European War, 1914-18. Contested (C) Central Bradford, 1910. Owner of about 3,000 acres Heir cousin Richard Fleming George Charles Grey, b 5 March 1939 Address Howick Hall, Alnwick, Northumberland Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance >please. > My questions are: > When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? > Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? > How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all > the > records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in > 1901 > Can you recommend a website for these please? > Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. > Sq. > Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 > A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South > African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. > He also fought through the Boer War." > The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. > There > is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? > Michael Allbrook

Hello Michael This might be a starting-point for you on Grey's involvement in the Boer War: http://members.pcug.org.au/%7Ecroe/sotq/sotq_abw.cgi Hope it helps. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching BRUCE, FOLWELL, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Leics, Northants) HAUGHAN, JOHNSTONE, RICHARDSON (Annandale, Cumberland, Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, JACK(SON), KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow, Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: <michael@allbrook.com> To: <LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [LEI] C H Grey > I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. > My questions are: > When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? > Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? > How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the > records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in > 1901 > Can you recommend a website for these please? > Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. > Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 > A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South > African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. > He also fought through the Boer War." > The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There > is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? > Michael Allbrook > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching a War Memorial in Oakham and I need some assistance please. My questions are: When did Charles Horace Grey go to South Africa? Is there any detail of his involvement in the Boer War? How can I find an address for his widowed mother in about 1922 when all the records say is Mrs Story, Oakham? I have checked and she was not there in 1901 Can you recommend a website for these please? Albert Henry G Grey married Jun 1877 to Alice HOLFORD Alice St. Geo. H. Sq. Their son was born Dec 1879 Grey Charles Horace Kensington 1a 53 A local magazine states in Spring 1918: "CHARLES HORACE GREY L/Cpl South African Infantry, Killed in action on September 20th near Ypres. Aged 38. He also fought through the Boer War." The only information I have on parents is Mrs Grey, Oakham from Story. There is no mention of parents on CWGC.Question Alice and Albert? Michael Allbrook

Hi Terry It seems quite odd doing a virtual roam around Enderby as I used to work in St Johns down the road Here is Arthur in 1871 Name: Arthur Gilliver Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Enderby, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Enderby Town: Enderby County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Blaby Sub registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Gilliver 41 Elizabeth Gilliver 38 John Gilliver 18 Elizabeth Gilliver 16 Arthur Gilliver 9 Mary A Gilliver 3 Pharoah Gilliver 1 RG10 3233 99 7 I do like the name Pharoah but sadly he does not last to long Births Dec 1869 Gilliver Pharoah Blaby 7a 40 Deaths Sep 1872 GILLIVER Pharaoh 2 Blaby 7a 33 Thomas was the son of another Thomas born 1794 in Sheepy Magna, his mother was Mary who was born 1795 in Congerstone Their marriage perhaps THOMAS GILLIVER Spouse: MARY PEACH Family Marriage: 21 DEC 1816 Congerstone, Leicester, England M034442 1738 - 1834 0590867 Film 1238700 Film Thomas senior in 1851 Name: Thomas Gilliver Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Sheepy Magna, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Enderby County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Registration district: Blaby Sub registration district: Wigston ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Gilliver 57 (a cordwainer ie shoemaker) Mary Gilliver 56 George Gilliver 24 Harriet Gilliver 21 Thomas Gilliver 20 Caroline Gilliver 16 Amelia Gilliver 14 HO107 2081 368 21 This may his baptism THOMAS GILLVER Christening: 28 DEC 1794 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England Father: JOHN GILLVER Family Mother: JANE C060401 1743 - 1853 0595768 Film 0883855 Film C060401 1866 - 1872 0595768 Film NONE And his siblings JOHN GILLEVER Christening: 18 APR 1793 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England THOMAS GILLVER Christening: 28 DEC 1794 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England JANE GILLEVER Christening: 09 OCT 1796 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England JOSEPH GILLEVER Christening: 18 NOV 1798 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England MARY GILLEVER Christening: 11 APR 1802 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England And John & Janes marriage JOHN GILLIVER Spouse: JANE STARKEY Family Marriage: 24 MAY 1792 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England M060401 1743 - 1763 0595768 Film 0883985 Film M060401 1775 0595768 Film NONE M060401 1787 - 1836 0595768 Film NONE Johns Baptism perhaps? JOHN GILLOVOR Christening: 23 APR 1764 Sheepy Magna, Leicester, England Father: JOSEPH GILLOVOR Family Mother: MARY C060401 1743 - 1853 0595768 Film 0883855 Film Of course the above does want confirming but perhaps its food for thought Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS I have the census pages for 1841 , 51, 61 , 71 & 81 if you would like them > Hello list, > looking for info on ggranmar KATE ELIZABETH > GILLIVER born 04/03/1880 at enderby,her > father was arthur thomas gilliver and mother > was ann ladkin. > > terry.

Hello list, looking for info on ggranmar KATE ELIZABETH GILLIVER born 04/03/1880 at enderby,her father was arthur thomas gilliver and mother was ann ladkin. terry. looking for any info on following names. BENNETT kibworth area all dates BENNETT wigston " " " GILLIVER enderby " " " SMART wigston " " " many thanks for any info, TERRY HOLMES, LEICESTER. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hello list, looking for info on GEORGE THOMAS BENNETT born wigston 18/01/1898 his father was george thomas bennett and mother was alice smart, also alice everline bennett born 21/12 1896 also wigston. terry ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Sorry but that factory used to be Palmer's Hosiery works on Kinghton Lane, St James was at the bottom of the black pad on Lansdowne Rd. I used to attend there as a child. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MAshwell" <mashwell@aol.com> To: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] St James's Parish Church, Aylestone Park > Go North on Milligan Rd (where my g-grandparents lived!). At the junction > with Knighton lane, cross the road and there is a factory there - That's > where the Church used to be. About half-way between Knighton Lane and > Landsdowne Road. > > Regards, > > Mark > > > > In a message dated 07/18/08 17:16:00 GMT Daylight Time, pmtay@sky.com > writes: > Hi list > I am trying to find out where St Jame's Parish Church, Aylestone Park > was by searching on Google but to no avail. > I understand it was demolished in 1988. > Has any one any idea? > regards > Paul taylor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, re-posting my intrest. SMART thomas born gaulby c1825 " john thomas born wigston 1849 BENNETT all dates wigston area terry ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam