Hi, Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley and children Olive May b. 1891 Herbert Edwin b. 1892 Robert b. 1893 I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in Mexico. I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. Thanks if anyone has clues Regards Ken

thanks so much for this info - I have just spent a most enjoyable morning in the library looking at the 1911 census on Ancestry - it gives so much useful information! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: [LEI] Leicestershire 1911 now on Ancestry > Released today > > 1911 now searchable > > Channel Islands > Cheshire > Cornwall > Cumberland > Derbyshire > Devon > Durham > Isle of Man > Lancashire > Leicestershire > Lincolnshire > London > > Norfolk > Northumberland > Nottinghamshire > Royal Navy > Rutland > Wales > Warwickshire > Westmorland > Worcestershire > Yorkshire-East Riding > Yorkshire-North Riding > Yorkshire-West Riding > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken, I have looked in the US censuses from 1900 through 1930. I found no Edwin Herbert Nock in any of them where Edwin was born in England. I suspect that with an English accent, he would have had difficulty passing himself off as born in the US! However there are fairly few Nock families generally (less that 100 to search in most cases) and they are concentrated in the Eastern Seaboard region, or the Northeast area of the country. There are a few Emma Nock entries but she was associated with other spouse names. I also searched for Herberts, Herbert Edwins, and Olives, as well with no success. However, I did find three entries for Robert Nock. All had been born in England. (The country of origin is all the US Censuses ask for. They do not require details.) Two entries I thought were not useful. The third Robert Nock entry was interesting; but I am NOT CONVINCED that it is for the right Robert Nock and will probably not be useful to you. 1930 Census: Robert Nock; born 1894 England as were his parents; married to Constance; residence Plandome, Nassau, New York; occupation: secretary in a petroleum company. Is it possible that the family moved on to Mexico about 10 years later than you thought and perhaps Robert didn't make the move with them? Or, could Robert have moved back to the US? Finally, I found the following entry on Ancestry.com in the New York Passenger Lists, 1820 - 1957 database. I think you will find this somewhat interesting. The document is entitled: List or Manifest of Alien Passengers for the United States Immigration Office Port of Arrival. The document is two pages (a split image). SS Rotterdam sailing from Plymouth, March 31, 1919 arriving Port of New York April 11, 1919. Robert Nock, age 25, male, single, employee (of whom it doesn't say) Literacy: reads & writes, Nationality/Country of which citizen or subject: England Permanent Residence: Tampico, Mexico Name and address of nearest relative or friend in country whence alien came: A. E. Morgan, Broadwell, Wallington, Stamped Non-Immigrant Alien Final Destination: Tampico, Mexico Ticket to final destination: No Passage paid by: self In possession of at least $50.00 US: yes Whether ever before in US and if so, when and where: yes, in transit Whether going to join a relative or friend and if so, what relative or friend, and his name and address: In transit to Tampico, Mexico Ever in prison, almshouse, supported by charity: No Polygamist: No Anarchist: No Planning employment in US: No Condition of Health: Good Deformed or Crippled: No Height: 5 feet 10 inches Complexion: Fair Hair color: Brown Eye color: Blue Identifying markings: None Place of Birth: England Town: Bailey Hill (Is this anywhere reasonable?) If you think this might be "your" Robert Nock, let me know and I will see if Robert made other documented trips. Cheers, Carolyn in Minnesota, USA

Hi Ken Why would he bring up the subject at all with regard to entering the USA The authorities in most Countries are interested in who is entering their Country and largely could not care less about those leaving So if he was acquitted he was not under any charge so would be free to leave the Country, there were no passports necessary at that time Far from all ships passenger lists survive and that is assuming he was on one under his own name , there was little in the way of proof of identity Have you checked the Mexico census out? I believe there are some on familysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi, > Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. > > If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted > would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. > > I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs > wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley > and children Olive May b. 1891 > Herbert Edwin b. 1892 > Robert b. 1893 > > I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in > Mexico. > > I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. > > Thanks if anyone has clues > > Regards Ken

Emma Nock shows as a citizen of Great Britain living in Mexico City going through Ellis Island in 1919. She is shown with a son Walter J. Emma indicates her husband is Edwin H. Nock, living at 566 Chapultepec Ave, Mexico City, and Walter indicates this is his father. The particular trip they are traveling to Toronto. Emma identifies that she was in New York last in 1899. Go to Ellisisland.org for more details. Concetta On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Ken Stanger <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. > > If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted > would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. > > I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs > wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley > and children Olive May b. 1891 > Herbert Edwin b. 1892 > Robert b. 1893 > > I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in > Mexico. > > I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. > > Thanks if anyone has clues > > Regards Ken > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ken, Do you need me to look in the US Census for 1900? I don't know anything about Mexican records, especially that early, but I can see what my expensive Ancestry subscription can do in that area, as well. Will have some time later today. Carolyn, Minnesota USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 5:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 Hi Ken Why would he bring up the subject at all with regard to entering the USA The authorities in most Countries are interested in who is entering their Country and largely could not care less about those leaving So if he was acquitted he was not under any charge so would be free to leave the Country, there were no passports necessary at that time Far from all ships passenger lists survive and that is assuming he was on one under his own name , there was little in the way of proof of identity Have you checked the Mexico census out? I believe there are some on familysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi, > Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. > > If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted > would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. > > I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs > wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley > and children Olive May b. 1891 > Herbert Edwin b. 1892 > Robert b. 1893 > > I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in > Mexico. > > I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. > > Thanks if anyone has clues > > Regards Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much, That's just what I was looking for. Its much quicker now. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judy Evans Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] New familysearch website You need "eagle eyes" for this latest version of Family Search! They seem to have released this new version gradually over to last 2 weeks and I've been exploring it for about a week. As you say the home page only has name boxes BUT if you look just below these boxes you will see in white writing "more search options", click on this and you can put your place names in. Judy From: Sandra <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011, 4:56 Subject: [LEI] New familysearch website Hi List, I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared previously. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with the new site? The batch number search is good if you know the number. Sandra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this Nivard Regards June Fleetwood, West Yorkshire   --- On Thu, 8/12/11, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> Subject: [LEI] Leicestershire & Rutland 1911 now on Ancestry To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 8 December, 2011, 19:20 Forgot to mention Rutland as well Released today 1911 now searchable    Channel Islands     Cheshire     Cornwall     Cumberland     Derbyshire     Devon     Durham     Isle of Man     Lancashire     Leicestershire     Lincolnshire     London     Norfolk     Northumberland     Nottinghamshire     Royal Navy     Rutland     Wales     Warwickshire     Westmorland     Worcestershire     Yorkshire-East Riding     Yorkshire-North Riding     Yorkshire-West Riding Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forgot to mention Rutland as well Released today 1911 now searchable Channel Islands Cheshire Cornwall Cumberland Derbyshire Devon Durham Isle of Man Lancashire Leicestershire Lincolnshire London Norfolk Northumberland Nottinghamshire Royal Navy Rutland Wales Warwickshire Westmorland Worcestershire Yorkshire-East Riding Yorkshire-North Riding Yorkshire-West Riding Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Released today 1911 now searchable Channel Islands Cheshire Cornwall Cumberland Derbyshire Devon Durham Isle of Man Lancashire Leicestershire Lincolnshire London Norfolk Northumberland Nottinghamshire Royal Navy Rutland Wales Warwickshire Westmorland Worcestershire Yorkshire-East Riding Yorkshire-North Riding Yorkshire-West Riding Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

The name of the Batch No. website is "Hugh Wallis" With the new Family Search, it's always been better to choose your database first, bear in mind that there are now many new databases or collections which at this point only consist of digital images and have not been indexed yet. Once you've performed a basic search in your selected collection, you will end up with a list of results taking up most of the page. Down the left hand side you find a "Filter your results by" title, under which you can add filters to narrow down your search, including one called "Collections" which allows you to change the collection which you want to search without having to backtrack and start again. Numbers in brackets will inform you of how many results are available in the collection or filter option which saves you from having to look at collections where your search parameters have produced no results. Finally, you can always use Control +F to open a box with which you can search the webpage for specific content. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 1:23 PM You can Google igi batch numbers England and search for that and it will pull up a website with the county records then parishes etc and u can search by batch number --- Original Message --- From: Sandra <[email protected]> Sent: December 7, 2011 12/7/11 I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared previously. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with the new site? The batch number search is good if you know the number. Sandra

Hi List, I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared previously. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with the new site? The batch number search is good if you know the number. Sandra

Hi Sandra It may be a change but for the better On the first search page under the name boxes there are various options For example Residence, enter a name, select residence and enter the place or County You can also then select marriage and add that as well should you wish to Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List, > > I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been > changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname > and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries > that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't > even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the > results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). > Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared > previously. > > Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with > the new site? > > The batch number search is good if you know the number. > > Sandra

You need "eagle eyes" for this latest version of Family Search! They seem to have released this new version gradually over to last 2 weeks and I've been exploring it for about a week. As you say the home page only has name boxes BUT if you look just below these boxes you will see in white writing "more search options", click on this and you can put your place names in. Judy From: Sandra <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011, 4:56 Subject: [LEI] New familysearch website Hi List, I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared previously. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with the new site? The batch number search is good if you know the number. Sandra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nivard Many thanks for your help. I guess that I never really expected to find any negatives etc but was puzzled why may parents wedding photograph was taken by the Day Photographer of Leicester as they were married in Birmingham I was just trying to solve this problem and find out what might have happened I know that this will be a family problem which I will never solve but it was of interest to hear about the Granby Street photographers Again Thanks Michael On 7/12/2011 10:22 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again Mike > > Unsurprisingly the same Samuel A C WILLIAMS was at 90 Granby street in 1911 > (given that directories are compiled in advance and may be a year out of date when they are finally > printed) > >> 1912 Kellys >> 90 Granby Street >> WILLIAMS Saml A.C. photogphr > Jeromes is looooooooooooooog gone<g> > > I hope you don't mind my saying but if the reason you are trying to track down the photographer who > took the photo is to see if they have more pictures or negatives in their archives, I would suggest > you are highly unlikely to find anything > > I have seen or been involved in similar searches many times and not once has anything ever been > found , the nearest was a register of sitters from one photographer but there were no negatives or > photos to go with them so gave up very little > > I think it fair to say that most photographers would have kept some sort of record themselves but as > most were small private set ups , many were taken over and the previous records destroyed or have > been lost over the years > > Only very few well known photographers appear to have surviving archives and I think you would have > found them already if Mr DAY was one of them > > Then there is the case of degradation of the negatives should they have survived > > I would never say don't bother with any avenue of research but suspect you may be a fools errand > with this one if thats your motive > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Just out of interest who was actually shown in Kellys at 90 Granby >> Street 1911? >> >> Regards >> >> Mike McDonnell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You can Google igi batch numbers England and search for that and it will pull up a website with the county records then parishes etc and u can search by batch number --- Original Message --- From: Sandra <[email protected]> Sent: December 7, 2011 12/7/11 To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] New familysearch website Hi List, I've just been on the new familysearch website and found that it has been changed again (its now new new). I used to be able to search for a surname and a location (e.g. a town or county) and made quite a few good discoveries that way. Now the location box is no longer part of the main page. I can't even achieve the same result by just choosing a surname and whittling the results down step-by-step (e.g. Europe, then England, then Leicestershire). Its time-consuming, and I seem to get fewer matches than appeared previously. Has anyone else encountered this? Is there a way to get the same result with the new site? The batch number search is good if you know the number. Sandra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Mike Unsurprisingly the same Samuel A C WILLIAMS was at 90 Granby street in 1911 (given that directories are compiled in advance and may be a year out of date when they are finally printed) > 1912 Kellys > 90 Granby Street > WILLIAMS Saml A.C. photogphr Jeromes is looooooooooooooog gone <g> I hope you don't mind my saying but if the reason you are trying to track down the photographer who took the photo is to see if they have more pictures or negatives in their archives, I would suggest you are highly unlikely to find anything I have seen or been involved in similar searches many times and not once has anything ever been found , the nearest was a register of sitters from one photographer but there were no negatives or photos to go with them so gave up very little I think it fair to say that most photographers would have kept some sort of record themselves but as most were small private set ups , many were taken over and the previous records destroyed or have been lost over the years Only very few well known photographers appear to have surviving archives and I think you would have found them already if Mr DAY was one of them Then there is the case of degradation of the negatives should they have survived I would never say don't bother with any avenue of research but suspect you may be a fools errand with this one if thats your motive Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Just out of interest who was actually shown in Kellys at 90 Granby > Street 1911? > > Regards > > Mike McDonnell

Hello Nivard Many thanks for your information My very senior finger did indeed key in Danby and it should have been Granby. It was interesting to see that the that the current Jeromes may be on the same premises as the photographer in 1911. I guess it is too much to expect they would have any records of previous owners going back to 1918 The photographs was my parents wedding pose and I am sure it was in a studio. I am guessing it may have been taken a little later after their marriage in Birmingham which happened in August 1918 Just out of interest who was actually shown in Kellys at 90 Granby Street 1911? Regards Mike McDonnell On 6/12/2011 7:30 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Michael > > Never heard of a Danby Street in Leicester and there is no mention of one in the 1912 Kellys > Directory > > Could it be Granby Street ? > > No sign of a photographer named DAY in Leicester > > The only DAY photographer I can find in 1911 is an Ernest Arthur DAY b1870 London who by coincidence > is living as a boarder in Melton Mowbray > > Had he been trading from Melton Mowbray I do not see him having Leicester on his imprinter > > It is possible that this Ernest traveled around and thats how your photo came about, was it a studio > photo ? > > If it was Granby street there was in 1912 Kellys > > 1912 Kellys > 90 Granby Street > WILLIAMS Saml A.C. photogphr > > Which by coincidence may be the site of Jeromes the Photographers which my brother was manager of in > the 1960's > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> I have been trying to write a family history to include details of my >> parents wedding in 1918 after they married in Birmingham. The marriage >> photograph has an imprint on the bottom of the print and reads >> >> Day >> Danby Street >> Leicester >> >> I realize of course that they may no longer exist but I wonder if any >> member familiar with Leicester history at the time of the First World >> War may know anything about the photographers of this era. >> I can only assume they must have visited Leicester shortly after their >> marriage But a vague family memory has it my mother mentioned Melton >> Mowbray which is only a few miles from Leicester. >> The other possibility is that the Day Photographer may have visited >> Birmingham on a regular basis in his business >> >> I would greatly appreciate any information about this photographer >> >> Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been trying to write a family history to include details of my parents wedding in 1918 after they married in Birmingham. The marriage photograph has an imprint on the bottom of the print and reads Day Danby Street Leicester I realize of course that they may no longer exist but I wonder if any member familiar with Leicester history at the time of the First World War may know anything about the photographers of this era. I can only assume they must have visited Leicester shortly after their marriage But a vague family memory has it my mother mentioned Melton Mowbray which is only a few miles from Leicester. The other possibility is that the Day Photographer may have visited Birmingham on a regular basis in his business I would greatly appreciate any information about this photographer Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia

Hi Michael Never heard of a Danby Street in Leicester and there is no mention of one in the 1912 Kellys Directory Could it be Granby Street ? No sign of a photographer named DAY in Leicester The only DAY photographer I can find in 1911 is an Ernest Arthur DAY b1870 London who by coincidence is living as a boarder in Melton Mowbray Had he been trading from Melton Mowbray I do not see him having Leicester on his imprinter It is possible that this Ernest traveled around and thats how your photo came about, was it a studio photo ? If it was Granby street there was in 1912 Kellys 1912 Kellys 90 Granby Street WILLIAMS Saml A.C. photogphr Which by coincidence may be the site of Jeromes the Photographers which my brother was manager of in the 1960's Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have been trying to write a family history to include details of my > parents wedding in 1918 after they married in Birmingham. The marriage > photograph has an imprint on the bottom of the print and reads > > Day > Danby Street > Leicester > > I realize of course that they may no longer exist but I wonder if any > member familiar with Leicester history at the time of the First World > War may know anything about the photographers of this era. > I can only assume they must have visited Leicester shortly after their > marriage But a vague family memory has it my mother mentioned Melton > Mowbray which is only a few miles from Leicester. > The other possibility is that the Day Photographer may have visited > Birmingham on a regular basis in his business > > I would greatly appreciate any information about this photographer > > Michael McDonnell Adelaide Australia