Hi Linda I have just seen your message on the website and note that your surname is CHAPMAN.   My Great Grandmother was HANNAH CHAPMAN b1849 in MELTON MOWBRAY.   Her parents were WILLIAM CHAPMAN and ELIZABETH BILSON.   I wonder if we might have a connection ?   Regards Patricia

Hi Lin I suspect that you have it already but the latest incarnation is :- https://www.familysearch.org/ Below the name search boxes are user selectable boxes Add a life event: Any Birth Marriage Residence Death Add a relationship: Spouse Parents Search by Batch Number The old site is still available (there is a link to the right of the name search boxes on the above) For batch numbers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/ (now links to new familysearch but does not contain batch numbers post 2002) And http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > hi Judy > > can you please tell me what the website address is for the new version > > thanks > > lin >> You need "eagle eyes" for this latest version of Family Search! They seem >> to have released this new version gradually over to last 2 weeks and I've >> been exploring it for about a week. As you say the home page only has name >> boxes BUT if you look just below these boxes you will see in white writing >> "more search options", click on this and you can put your place names in. >> Judy

hi Judy can you please tell me what the website address is for the new version thanks lin On 8 December 2011 08:24, Judy Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > You need "eagle eyes" for this latest version of Family Search! They seem > to have released this new version gradually over to last 2 weeks and I've > been exploring it for about a week. As you say the home page only has name > boxes BUT if you look just below these boxes you will see in white writing > "more search options", click on this and you can put your place names in. > Judy >

Hi Wendy There are a couple of transcript problems but from freebmd Jun qtr 1857 James WARNER Leicester 7a 308 (should read 7a 308a) Marriages Jun 1857 Ball Sarah Leicester 7a 308a Ellis Benjamin Leicester 7a 308a Why Sarah Leicester 7a 308A So James married either Sarah BALL or WHY Looking at the census I do not see a Sarah WHY born Ibstock but there is a Sarah BALL Any of the childrens birth certs would give you the mothers maiden name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Is anyone else researching the WARNER surname in Leicester? I have a James Warner born c.1833 in > Leicester. > According to the 1871 census he was a 'boatman' aged 39 with wife Sarah aged 38 who was born in > Ibstock and the 1st child ,Sarah Anne, was born c.1858. > I can't seem to find the marriage on freebmd of James and Sarah which I assume will be sometime > before 1858 as I would love to find her maiden name - any suggestions gratefully received > thanks > Wendy

Is anyone else researching the WARNER surname in Leicester? I have a James Warner born c.1833 in Leicester. According to the 1871 census he was a 'boatman' aged 39 with wife Sarah aged 38 who was born in Ibstock and the 1st child ,Sarah Anne, was born c.1858. I can't seem to find the marriage on freebmd of James and Sarah which I assume will be sometime before 1858 as I would love to find her maiden name - any suggestions gratefully received thanks Wendy

Hello from New Zealand I have decided to look at my wife's maternal ancestors again having been contacted by a 3rd cousin of hers from Australia.. Richard ROYCE (the name appears in my wife's ancestry) was in the 1841 census, aged a rounded 70, as living in Buckminster Leics but not born in county. I believe he was christened in 1768 in Exton, Rutland. Is anyone able to help with his ancestry please? Were his parents Richard & Eliza (?)? Anything about previous generations would be most welcome. Thanks Mike

Many Thanks to Gypsy 2 for all the great finds on Nock, the border crossings and ship travel. It has been a great help All the best for now Regards Ken

Would BILL STRATTON IN CANADA please contact Harvey bates in Adelaide, Sth. Australia As I have lost your Email address. My apologies to other members of this list, but it is important. Many thanks for your indulgence. Harvey Bates

Not sure how relevant but noticed many Norwegians changed their names, either from the family name to something like Jensen if father was Jens or took the farm or manor name, so if anything following them they escaped it on the voyage. Would be surprised if the occasional "roberts" became a "countesthorpe" that is to say a name with a connection to their roots.Not everything is easy to trace by just name. Terry > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:19:16 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LEI] Emigration > > > If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and > > been acquitted would he and family have been allowed to > > migrate to USA. > > Hi, Ken, > > I'm going to suggest that you lookup the word "Acquitted" or "Acquittal" to understand its legal meaning. He has been freed of the charge, so there would be no reason to control his movements. And as Nivard has already reported, most countries didn't keep track of who left, only who entered. > > And the Common Law tradition in the West is that only the convicted man is punished, not his family. > > Good hunting, > Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's for that very reason that the Hamburg Emigration records are divided into Direct and Indirect. The Direct went straight from Hamburg to America, Australia etc. The Indirect took ferries across the North Sea to Hull or Leith etc and then went by train to ports such as Liverpool or Glasgow to continue their journey. As Britain had the largest Merchant Fleet in the world at the time, it meant that they were able to offer more economical passages to migrants from the continent heading elsewhere in the world. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: TERRY HOPKIN- SUNDBY To: leic list Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 Hi worth a note our ancestors often took the cheapest tour to America, so they could well have gone by German carriers from Hamburg, Norwegian carriers from Stavanger, Dutch from Rotterdam, etc. Can be complicated, have found a deal of British names on Norwegian and German passenger lists whilst looking for Norwegians traveling to the USA. regards Terry

Hi emigration to USA 1900 thanks to all those who answered by enquiry Nivard Ovington Carolyn Sidebottom David Armstrong C. Phillips Trevor Simpson lots to go on now. many thanks Ken

Hi worth a note our ancestors often took the cheapest tour to America, so they could well have gone by German carriers from Hamburg, Norwegian carriers from Stavanger, Dutch from Rotterdam, etc. Can be complicated, have found a deal of British names on Norwegian and German passenger lists whilst looking for Norwegians traveling to the USA. regards Terry > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:35:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 > > FindMyPast has lists for some ships leaving Britain. Around 1890-1911 > there is one for Mr & Mrs. Nock with two children and a nurse (single > female over 12) cabin passengers going to Trinidad on ship Para from > Southampton departing 20 Oct 1897. There weren't many passengers. No > other details on this clear image. > > Many passenger lists are missing of course and there could be > transcription errors. > > Regards, Trevor > > On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:24:11 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. > > > >If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted > >would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. > > > >I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs > > wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley > >and children Olive May b. 1891 > > Herbert Edwin b. 1892 > > Robert b. 1893 > > > >I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in > >Mexico. > > > >I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. > > > >Thanks if anyone has clues > > > >Regards Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and > been acquitted would he and family have been allowed to > migrate to USA. Hi, Ken,     I'm going to suggest that you lookup the word "Acquitted" or "Acquittal" to understand its legal meaning.  He has been freed of the charge, so there would be no reason to control his movements.  And as Nivard has already reported, most countries didn't keep track of who left, only who entered.     And the Common Law tradition in the West is that only the convicted man is punished, not his family.     Good hunting,          Lou

there's stacks of FREE digital Mexican records now on Familysearch including Civil Registration, Church Records and the 1930 Census https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=NORTH_AMERICA David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Sidebottom To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 Hi Ken, Do you need me to look in the US Census for 1900? I don't know anything about Mexican records, especially that early, but I can see what my expensive Ancestry subscription can do in that area, as well. Will have some time later today. Carolyn, Minnesota USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 Hi Ken Have you checked the Mexico census out? I believe there are some on familysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Has this been posted yet? From ancestry. Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1895-1957 about Edwin H Nock Name: Edwin H Nock Arrival Date: 19 Dec 1921 Port of Arrival: Laredo, Texas, United States Age: 58 Birth Date: abt 1863 Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Record has photo?: No Record Type: Cards And another one Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1895-1957 about Edwin H Nock Name: Edwin H Nock Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1918 Port of Arrival: Laredo, Texas, United States Age: 55 Birth Date: abt 1863 Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Record has photo?: No Record Type: Cards Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1895-1957 about Emma Nock Name: Emma Nock Arrival Date: 7 Sep 1922 Port of Arrival: Laredo, Texas, United States Departure Contact: Son, Edwin Nock Age: 54 Birth Date: abt 1868 Birth Location: Dudley, England Gender: Female Race/Nationality: English Record has photo?: No Record Type: Cards This is interesting New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 about Emma Nock Name: Emma Nock Arrival Date: 20 May 1929 Age: 61 Gender: Female Ethnic Background: British (English) Port of Departure: Vera Cruz, Mexico Ship Name: Alegria Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana Friend's Name: Jacob Geller Last Residence: Mexico Birthplace: England,Dudley National Archives' Series Number: Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Emma Nock Name: Emma Nock Gender: Female Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 16 Aug 1919 Vessel: Nieuw Amsterdam Search Ship Database: View the 'Nieuw Amsterdam' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York, New York Port of Departure: Rotterdam, Netherlands Roll: T-14915 This has some good info and a picture - if your guy U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 about Herbert Edwin Nock Name: Herbert Edwin Nock Birth Date: 23 Aug 1892 Birth Place: Elizabeth Age: 24 Gender: Male Residence: Elizabeth Passport Issue Date: 24 Jun 1916 Passport Includes a Photo: Yes This is the same dude as above - but now he is born in England instead of Elizabeth nj, but is living in Elizabeth, nj U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 about Herbert Edwin Nock Name: Herbert Edwin Nock Birth Date: 23 Aug 1892 Birth Place: England Residence: Union, New Jersey Race: White 1930 United States Federal Census about Herbert E Nock Name: Herbert E Nock Birth Year: abt 1893 Birthplace: Great Britain Home in 1930: Charleston, Charleston, South Carolina View Map Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Helen G Nock Occupation: Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: Parents' birthplace: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Herbert E Nock 37 Helen G Nock 32 Enid Nock 7 Gladys Nock 6 New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Herbert E Nock Name: Herbert E Nock Arrival Date: 22 Nov 1938 Birth Year: abt 1893 Birth Location: England Age: 45 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Aruba Port of Arrival: New York, New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Ship Name: Santa Paula Search Ship Database: Search the Santa Paula in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974 about Herbert Edwin Nock Name: Herbert Edwin Nock State: South Carolina Court Type: District Court Court Location: Charleston, South Carolina Naturalization Record Type: Declarations of Intention Naturalization Record Number: 1094 Again I don't know if this stuff has been posted yet - but it all came from ancestry - I would head to my nearest public library with ancestry and check these out. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Stanger Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 1:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEI] emigration to USA 1900 Hi, Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley and children Olive May b. 1891 Herbert Edwin b. 1892 Robert b. 1893 I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in Mexico. I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. Thanks if anyone has clues Regards Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dennis? Seamstress of Cotton Hosiery I would say Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Please can someone identify the occupation written in the 1851 census. > > Phebe Roby is living in Pinfold Row, Loughborough HO107 2085 folio 172 > page 9 line 12. I can read "Seamstress of" but I can't descipher the > two words that follow.

Hi Dennis, It reads "Seamstress of Cotton Hosiery" Bob On 9 December 2011 18:19, Ruth Appleby <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it's "Cotton Hosier[e]y" > > Ruth > > > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:12:28 +0000 > > Subject: [LEI] occupation written in census > > > > Please can someone identify the occupation written in the 1851 census. > > > > Phebe Roby is living in Pinfold Row, Loughborough HO107 2085 folio 172 > > page 9 line 12. I can read "Seamstress of" but I can't descipher the > > two words that follow. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think it's "Cotton Hosier[e]y" Ruth > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:12:28 +0000 > Subject: [LEI] occupation written in census > > Please can someone identify the occupation written in the 1851 census. > > Phebe Roby is living in Pinfold Row, Loughborough HO107 2085 folio 172 > page 9 line 12. I can read "Seamstress of" but I can't descipher the > two words that follow. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please can someone identify the occupation written in the 1851 census. Phebe Roby is living in Pinfold Row, Loughborough HO107 2085 folio 172 page 9 line 12. I can read "Seamstress of" but I can't descipher the two words that follow.

FindMyPast has lists for some ships leaving Britain. Around 1890-1911 there is one for Mr & Mrs. Nock with two children and a nurse (single female over 12) cabin passengers going to Trinidad on ship Para from Southampton departing 20 Oct 1897. There weren't many passengers. No other details on this clear image. Many passenger lists are missing of course and there could be transcription errors. Regards, Trevor On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:24:11 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi, > Can anyone tell me about emigration to the USA about 1900. > >If the person had been tried at Court for manslaughter and been acquitted >would he and family have been allowed to migrate to USA. > >I'm looking for a Edwin Herbert Nock b. 1865 Rowley Regis Staffs > wife Emma Nock ( nee Pitt ) b 1868 Dudley >and children Olive May b. 1891 > Herbert Edwin b. 1892 > Robert b. 1893 > >I was told they went about 1898 1899, maybe to New York and then settled in >Mexico. > >I cannot find them on any ship to New York on Ancestry. > >Thanks if anyone has clues > >Regards Ken > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message